Ask yourself why the GOP wants to bury individual creativity

We would need an economy like you describe just to pay for it...I really doubt an economy could ever exist, but you can keep dreaming if you want to

That's weird because right now we're pumping all this money into insurance premiums for health outcomes that are worse than countries we're supposed to be wealthier than.

If our economy can't pay for it, then where's all this insurance premium money coming from?

So I take my $300/month I pay now, give it to the g’ment to run another operation that will be a clusterf**k, lose my doctors, and this is a good thing?

Sorry but that doesn’t sound like a system destined for success

If you're only paying $300.00 a month, you must be on some kind of gov program? My family policy for 4 people is 28,000 a year. I'm paying 6500, more than 500 a month for my portion.

Healthcare is forcing people like me to work for a large employer. The large companies in this country are doing everything they can to be sure the system stays just the way it is. Without the carrot of insurance, half the people in the country would quit their jobs tomorrow and start their own businesses.

The real question is why is the GOP so against individual freedom and the unleashing of American creativity that would be found through taking health care out of the equation? Healthcare is holding wages down. People need their jobs for the healthcare it provides. If everyone was automatically covered people would quit jobs that stink and large companies would have to raise pay in order to keep employees.

Nope, $300/month on my part, $300 by company. No assistance required.

The rest of your post I see as BS

You must have a bare minimum policy with caps on coverage and next to no real coverage. You're talking 6,600 a year. Those are numbers I was paying 20yrs ago. Obamacare with reduced premiums? Your coverage doesn't add up without somebody else paying a portion of your cost or you not actually having good insurance.

Actually I have a great policy..low co-pays,

Kaiser network that suits my needs perfectly.

So you belong to non-profit who has committed to the ACA, more than any other major insurance co.

A nonprofit
Nearly 60% of their customers get their coverage through the ACA
Price fixing on procedures
Doctors must be approved before services

This is the direction we need to go nation wide. It's not socialism. It's common sense.

Your own insurance provider meets most of the benefits a single payer would provide but single payer would be at a much larger scale for even greater savings.

You really think my taxes would only go up by $3600 per year to pay for the government run boondoggle?

I have no idea how much they would go up by. For some people it would go up more, some would be less. Everybody who works would pay, as it should be. There is nothing in our current system that is sustainable. Healthcare will change because it has to.

A good example of just how backwards the philosophy on this was the penalty in the ACA if you didn't buy insurance. Why exactly was the GOP so upset about having to pay a penalty if you didn't buy insurance? Virtually everyone in the country uses healthcare. To be against the mandate penalty is to be FOR a free ride. Ending the mandate was essentially saying, "I demand that someone else be responsible for my irresponsibility". The GOP used to be FOR personal responsibility. What has happened? This makes no sense.

The government runs many things just fine. Most of the infrastructure we deal with daily, was created through government.

OK, so you're on board as long as we ensure that you don't lose your doctors and we have oversight in how the government spends it?

Just kidding, I know you're just being obtuse. But literally every country in the world but us has figured out how to do this, and just to repeat myself: our health outcomes are worse for it!

And we are so much more different than any other country in the world. I don’t think our outcomes, taken as a whole, are worse. I see more evidence of people from other countries coming here, rather than vice versa

For healthcare??????? No, generally speaking not at all. Maybe above a certain wealth demographic, but nobody of working or middle-class means comes into America to buy health insurance for American medical care; and it's a very common story for Americans to take a vacation to a European country or even to Canada for healthcare and it'll end up costing less than they'd have to pay out of pocket anyway.

Look, I know you're dragging your feet in this, but if - IF - you were offered a deal where taxed healthcare would cost you $200 / month, you'd never have to pay a premium again, and IF - IF - you honestly wouldn't be able to tell the difference in your quality of care with what you have now, wouldn't you take it? You can talk about the realities of this hypothesis - the competence of government, etc - but if your argument is economic and in your first comment it was, can't you see how the cost of insurance premiums and the cost of taxes balance each other out?

We're going to spend 50 trillion over the next 10 years with our current system. More than twice as much as any other nation per capita. 30-50 million people without insurance. Our current system is a disaster.

Only for the deplorables, the rich still have their private doctors, everywhere

ONE there are not enough docs to COVER ALL, next the mexicans and others illegals would swamp what there are now. GO look at ALL the probs in canada and england THEY are running to the US for medical care they pay for.

Nobody in England takes medical tourism in the US.

you is wrong sonny. In fact in the UK your doc name will patel or mohamd. While in the US the docs are Brits Scots. Irish they too flee the UK

I've never heard of anyone in Britain or Ireland going to US for medical care. That statement even for you, is ridiculously absurd. Your narrow minded bigoted opinions don't represent the majority of people in Ireland or Britain, who could care less where their doctor comes from. No idiot, racist or not is going to travel to the US to pay an arm and leg for the same medical care they would receive in their own country.

I had to read that three times to make sense of it. Your writing is horrible. But you're trying to say that we have a lot of doctors of middle eastern ethnicity so people go to the US where doctors are white.

Look, even if we were that racist here, nobody would be able to afford American healthcare prices and that's all there is to it. Especially the Scottish because we don't even have to pay for prescriptions.

How racist do you have to be to get $20,000 into debt every time your back hurt?

Sort yourself out, purgeboy. You barely know what's what.

His English makes no sense because he's not American.
It's used to be a running joke how Doctors were all Jewish in the US. Nowadays it's about how they're all Middle Eastern, Indian, or East Asian. Even the Jewish ones were born in the Middle East nowadays, with a smattering from Russia.

Wait, racism isn't based on real statistics???! This changes everything...

Well according to a certain very stable genius with a yuge IQ, there probably are some racists, and some of those he's sure are very fine people.

We haven't had a "Brits Scots" doctor for almost a century.

Faker.

The doctors already cover all and they do it in emergency rooms at a cost 10 times what primary care would be if everyone automatically had coverage.

Absolutely NO ONE is running to the U.S. for healthcare. That comment would be hilarious if not so incredibly ill informed. Americans cross the border for prescription drugs and now even for operations. We have the lowest performing healthcare system in all of the developed world. There is no defending our system.

In fairness, when people are wealthy enough and need something realllly specialized e.g. they need that one doctor at John Hopkins who's super good at retinal cancer or whatever, then they'll do that.

But that's a rich people thing.

For most people, it doesn't make sense to travel to the US to get a root canal that they'd get for free in London.

And US workers travel to London to get a root canal (and a vacation to boot) all the time because it ends up costing less than their deductible.

NO HEALTH CARE FOR ANYONE , We go back to the old ways you get sick you die. Motivates you to stay healthy.