They are already trying to censor speech, end due process, and abolish the Electoral College.

I comment this every time somebody says the left hates the constitution, but nobody replies: “It’s a very rough system,” Donald Trump said. “It’s an archaic system … It’s really a bad thing for the country.” (of the constitutional system of checks and balances). Smells like hes power hungry?

Bury your guns and ammo

No, they are taking my rights. That is the difference.

I know we will disagree, but I see an attack on Due Process, Gun Rights, Freedom of Speech, and abolishment of the Electoral College. These are all protected by the Consitution, yet the left is attacking these.

The #METOO and Title IX is trying to bypass Due Process and is an attack on the 4th amendment. Gun Control is attacking the 2nd amendment. "Open Borders" is an attack on the notion of a nation in general. Stopping conservative speakers in colleges and the concept of restricting Hate speech is an attack on the 1st. amendment, Forcing people to associate with someone they don't want to is also a violation of the 1st. amendment.

The whole concept that rights come from the state is wrong. Self Defence, Freedom of Speech, and Due Process are natural rights and do not come from the state, but are rights all people are born with.

"I see an attack on Due Process, Gun Rights, Freedom of Speech, and abolishment of the Electoral College"

Well put. You're absolutely right. It's pretty scary when you see them all lined up like that.

My personal opinion is that anything I can do without assistance or dependence on another is a right.

For instance, I don't need anyone else to protect myself using any means necessary. I don't need anybody else to say anything I want. I don't need anybody else to believe or worship whatever I want.

I also believe that any right I have, so does everybody else, without qualification.
Which is why I also don't believe things like healthcare, education, housing, or cell phones are a right. These require the services/labor of another. You do not have a right to the labor or services of another person.

I don't believe so. You have the right to life, meaning nobody has the right to take your life or tell you what to do with your life. That doesn't mean you have the right to a doctors labor. You can't force someone else to work for you or provide a service to you, that infringes on their rights.

It is similar to the rights of the "Pursuit of Happiness". You have the right to pursue whatever makes you happy, but that doesn't mean anyone else has the responsibility to make you happy.

Same thing with equality. You have the right to be treated the same as everyone else, but that doesn't mean you have a right to an equal outcome. The outcome is a result of the choices you make.

As I said, natural rights are things that you can do on your own without infringing on someone else's rights.

Oh CRAP. Why are any of us ALIVE with retarded "logic" like that? Go ahead and break it down for everyone.. tell us how humanity managed to survive and pro-create.

Really.. explain how it was that without "healthcare", human beings have managed to survive for tens of thousands of years. You've coupled the right to life to healthcare, so explain this.

No electoral college actually sounds pretty good. Not the other stuff, though.

I disagree. I think it would really split the nation and would marginalize the smaller states. It would never be ratified anyway. You need 3/4 of the states to pass it.

Have anything to say about trumps constitution quote I commented above?

Yeah, so what? Trump says a lot of things when he is frustrated with Congress. Has he proposed any legislation to abolish the Consitution? Has he done anything to date that is unconstitutional?

I don't think you really understand what the electoral college is, and the fact that without it, many states would have seceded from the US by now. At the very least, they would have attempted to, likely triggering another civil war or two in the nation's history.

Despite what some would have you believe, the American civil war was not actually about ending slavery - although slavery was a relevant factor, ending it was merely a tactic to weaken the South. When the North started trying to dictate laws to the South (including trying to make slavery illegal), the southern states attempted to secede from the union. The civil war was actually started to force those states to remain, while those states were attempting to secede in order to maintain their own freedom. (Quite hypocritical of them, of course).

If there were no electoral college, then the two states with the largest populations, California and New York, both heavily liberal, would have the power to start dictating the rules to every other state, who would have absolutely no say in governing the country. California alone has a higher population than the 25 lowest populated states, most of which provide the majority of food to the US.

If you've seen the 'Hunger Games' movies, think about how the country/continent of Panem is set up. One big rich city, filled with the liberal elites, that dictates over the rest of the country, which is separated into zones (states), in a very fascist manner. Those other zones are treated like slave plantations for different resources, with no say in how the people live their own lives, let alone how the country is run.

Well okay.

I made a meme last month that might help explain it better:

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Makes more sense when you put it that way.

Glad that helped :-)