The Rock Driving

not a penny for the wall.
:)

Don't worry, it's coming.

The wall or the penny?
:P

Apparently not a penny for dreamers, either.

Are you saying you think they should be paid?

I'm saying for the price of a couple fighter planes the dems could've gotten an extension on the dreamers they've been after for so long as well as everything they got in the end.. they turned it down and left them in the wind yet again

Ah. Well as far as I know the Dems aren't interested in kicking that can further down the road. A real path to citizenship in exchange for the price of 1 fighter plane seems more likely.. but I guess we'll have to wait and see. Otherwise we'll be having another shutdown ..

They had the option for a real path to citizenship as well, and didn't get it. I don't think you understand how government works. If you don't compromise, you will get NOTHING. Dems seem to have forgotten how unimportant the house is in the long run. You keep going against literally everything the republicans try to do without even the good intentions of trying to negotiate and you'll end up paying for it in the long run

Seems to me the main thing they wanted was not giving Trump $ for his wall.. and they got that. At least temporarily. Looks like Trump is the one who doesn't know how govt works. Wtf was he waiting for? Why'd he wait until now to dig his heels in about his wall? He would've had more votes before Dems got the house.

You're still missing the point - if dems want some of THEIR policies enacted, they have to enact some of OURS. It goes both ways. If you really think that pure obstruction is a winning strategy in the long run you're in for a big surprise. Dem voters want their agenda pushed, and that can't happen as long as the government is too busy acting like children just trying to stop the other from having their way. Even IF dems win the presidency in 2020, they STILL won't get medicare for all or ANY of the other reforms they want if republicans are doing their best to stop anything and everything. That is exactly what this kind of behavior is going to cause down the road. You're shooting yourselves in the foot just so you can say "i told you so"

OURS? You're not even American.

Google "Do nothing Congress" to see what WE Americans had to go through for 6 years.

Democrats controlling congress automatically gets them the votes they need without any republican support? Maybe you're the foreigner, dipshit. You obviously haven't been paying attention the last few years. And no, not Putin, though I know your master is on your mind often. The secretary general of NATO, Jens Stoltenberg. HE praised Trump. Sorry your deluded view of the world isn't shared by those that actually know what the f**k is going on.

Except they did, moron? It did pass, as you yourself said did it not?

Trump's own administration had to stop him from announcing plans to withdraw from NATO last year, so save your Russbot lies for you darling colleagues.

Idiot.

I'm sure Dems will compromise as far as $ for border security.. idk about the actual wall though. The facts seem to be more drugs and people are coming in through legal points of entry than around or over the wall.. so if people were serious about securing the border theyd focus on where the majority of the problem is occurring. As far as political obstruction, you talk about it like you forgot the past idk.. 8 years? even beyond obstruction.. Trump spent a good amount of time actively undoing the stuff Obama did manage to get through. Next dem president will probably do the same. China probably thinks we're nuts over here.

If republicans obstructed like Democrats do ACA would've never happened. There wouldn't have been much TO undo. In the places he isn't being obstructed by democrats, he is being praised by the head of NATO for strengthening the alliance, strengthening our alliances in the pacific, starting on the road to peace with both NK AND the taliban, and gotten renegotiated trade deals that benefit us more than the old ones. Dems are really so terrified to let him try to do anything else? It is pure lunacy, China would not be incorrect.

Seems feasible that stopping ACA could've cost them their seats. As far as I know the only thing being "obstructed" by dems is more wall.. Interesting that he's being praised considering the house recently voted overwhelmingly to protect NATO from Trump. I guess Dems aren't the only ones concerned about his actions.

The ACA was was passed withing the fisrt 2 years of Obama's Presidency, when Democrats were in control.

Maybe a little history briefing before trying to pass yourself as one of us and lying about what you don't know, M8?

Trump praised by whom for what? Putin is not the head of NATO, and weakening our alliances with ALL our allies including those in NATO is hardly strengthening.

"protect NATO" lol

He wouldn't have won in the senate even though he would have won the house during the first two years. He needed 60, not a majority.

My point is he had more votes (and therefore less people to convince to compromise). Now it's an uphill battle.
I guess he thought him and repubs would just keep on "winning".
He also failed to explicitly incorporate wall funding into that new NAFTA deal..

This agreement with Mexico is worth billions. Over the course of his presidency it would pay for the wall (assuming the wall never gets built).

I wonder how the math works out if you deduct his tax cuts from that

So what makes Orange Man Bad think he can do now what even Republicans didn't want him to do then?

Poor Grind. Besieged on all sides while he tries to fight the good fight

between his diminutive testes.

One day, sim grandkids will ask their elderly gangweeds here who is the Grind the meme plaque on the Front Page of the reunited streams commemorates, and they will be regailed with tales of the heroic crusade the Grind had waged upon the heathens and miscreants that had once plagued this site before he vanquished them, making the world safe for emergence of the almighty alt right race.

Republicans wanted the wall. They didn't have 60 senate seats and Trump felt it was unlikely he could get enough democrats to vote for the wall.

You're trolling hard, but not with this post.

You're lying again.

And stupidly, as usual.

No, they would have had a 3 year extension till getting deported according to Trump's offer. Big whoop.

Yeah, he's basically holding them as long term hostages.
If he loses in 2020, DACA will be restored for them.
If he wins, he uses them as carrots to get what he wants.

Looks like he may need a bigger carrot.. at this point idk if Dems will give him his wall even with path to citizenship.

They will. They already offered 1.6 billion prior to the shutdown, while the GOP offered him 0.

That’s tuff then if you’re a tax paying American...

Plenty for illegals though :(

Plenty of jobs. That's why they keep comin here. Yay capitalism!
Hi bae :3

Hi

ok we both said hi.. what happens now?
:P

Calm down there big boi