Truth of International politics

How is China working with the political left?

You do know Russian meddling in the 2016 election may have turned an election, right? What political events have been turned due to China and the political left?

It's all right-wing bullshit.

Yes. To divert the conversation from the 3 alarm fire we're watching.

I don't know much about the release of emails and all that resulted of it. Nor have I heard of Debbie and Donna. But I say that could affect voters since there was a lot of people who said they preferred Bernie over Hillary.
If DNC emails were stolen, does that mean the content was true?

And after hearing the CIA director Brennan, or whatever his position was, tell Trey Gowdy that he doesn't do evidence. I will have a hard time believing things as proven by our intelligence agencies.

And I don't like saying that. I want to trust our agencies. But with all the false information claims and so many things that just doesn't add up. I never thought I would become one of those tin foil hat conspiracist but I'll not be a sheep who blindly follows the leader without question.

Like with the MAGA teen and the Indian, there are people calling for his death on twitter and people say twitter is not banning them. Apparently death threats against certain people, Trump supporters, does not validate a banning. Meanwhile someone can get banned just for making NPC memes. Or that is what I heard anyways I don't have a twitter account.

And why is it always Russians who are behind everything? Yet no one wants to talk about the worst thing Russia has done which came about because of communism. If anything I hear of people defending communism.
If Russia is behind things like you are suggesting is it because of communism?

I am losing faith in things like the media and certain agencies like the FBI and CIA. I heard there was 29 heavily armed federal agents in the arrest of Roger Stone. Why on Earth does it take a force that large. It's a sizable platoon for crying out loud! And all to arrest a doughy old man with no weapons. It seems overkill to say the least.

All of these accusations sounds like the witch accusations back in the day and the communist accusations not too long ago. Only difference is nowadays people get a hard on at the notion of living under communist rule. It's okay because it is called "democratic socialism".

What I am trying to figure out is if I am playing into their hand. I say their because I don't know who "they" are. I just know they hate America. But the disillusionment I am experiencing, do you reckon that is what they want? Or could they care less what we believe just so long we are preoccupied by going at each other's throats so vigorously, fueled by their fake propaganda, that we don't realize they have slipped the shackles over us?

The content of the DNC emails appear to be true. That is a problem for sure.

There are people on both sides that suck. I prefer to think that MOST people fall somewhere in between left and right and don't have their heads buried in the sand the the faults of any political ideology. Hillary was a horrible candidate. But, just because she was horrible should not make us happy with the President we got. For all Hillary's fault, I don't think she was owned by the Russians. Trump would have a lot of work to do to prove he is not.

At this point, I don't even care what political philosophy carry's the day. We just need to get a decent human being back in office again. Left or right doesn't matter.

For example people on the left believe people on the right are racist white supremacist bigots. And people on the right believe people on the left are anti-Americans who support sharia and the taking away of freedoms.
Perhaps there is truth to both side's accusations.
Indeed there are racists on the right the same as there are people on the left who want to do away with certain freedoms like the Second Amendment.

But could it not be that someone(s) is amplifying these accusations ten fold? And incidents involving violent protestors for example, could they be sappers sent to sow discord? Stir things up, cause trouble, hard core rabble-rousers? Like Antifa?

But then they prey on people's emotions and use emotions to control people. For example people turn a blind eye to Antifa because they are Anti-fascists so they are a good group. Give something a fancy name and all evil is erased.

What happened to logical reasoning and critical thinking? Instead people nowadays are led by irrational emotional responses. Like that one celebrity who said she wanted to blow up the White House during a women's march rally a year or so ago.
People don't think anymore, they just spout off things and rage and say this is this way and if you don't agree you are a bigot!
And because you have been labeled a bad name, any valid points you have are over looked because emotion overrides logic. Or perhaps these people never had much logic to begin with.
Thus the NPC meme was born. At least that is proof there is still people out there capable of thinking for themselves.

Which by the way, I want to think communist Russia arrested all free thinkers and people who opposed them. I bought the book "Defeating Jihad" by Sebastian Gorka and while I haven't finished it, I did read the beginning which briefed his dad's experience as a communist prisoner.
"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."
Likewise with twitter and other social media platforms like Facebook. NPC memes targeting people on the left are bad but death threats against teens are of no violation.

But do those platforms really feel that way, biased I mean? Or is it the results of sappers who infiltrated those positions to further their agenda of causing disunity amongst political parties?

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Hope you don't mind me replying to the top. I thought it might be more simpler.

How do we know the whole Russian thing isn't a scam meant to further divide the country?
I can't speak for everyone but I was out of state a few days in the weeks leading up to the election and I was surprised at the number of Trump signs I saw. The Trump signs was everywhere. I literally only saw a handful for Hillary. Although one of her signs was a huge one, they was far and few in between compared to the Trump signs.

Plus my dad's childhood friend said he would be voting republican in the election. And that guy has always been a democrat. He told my dad that the democrat party just isn't what it used to be and he did not like Hillary saying she supports abortions right up to birth.
If that guy can change and vote republican I dare say a lot others could as well.

In regards to China, I am not sure what party they support. I don't know if they even give an iota about our little parties. China is the bulldog in the trade / economy and they know it. Everyone else goes to them.
All I know is that while talking with a farmer he blames a lot of the local dairy closings on deals with China. And that particular guy has been a dairy farmer nearly all his life so I say he knows what he is talking about.

Yes. The Russians did a great job at dividing the country.

You mention 2 things: 1. You didn't see a lot of Hillary signs while out of town but you saw a lot of Trump signs when you travelled somewhere out of state. 2. Your dad's childhood friend was voting for Trump.

Do you use this same logic to determine that there is no climate change? Do you look at your thermometer and say, nope, still cold out so climate change doesn't exist?

When 150 million+, saw negative Hillary information generated by Russians, that is, "a few Russians"? When the Russians were using EVERY form of social media to get their message out, it couldn't have made a difference but, you visited another town out of state that had few Hillary signs and lots of Trump signs and that is why he won.

Okay, I understand where you're coming from now.

Yes, I mentioned two things. Two real things. Not statistics or other news findings. This was two very real things that I know to be true.

There was a lot of negative information about Trump. Are they from jihadists in the middle east?
What negative info about Hillary are you referring to? You insult my two examples but at least I provided things I saw to be true myself. You give statistics that you got from a website somewhere and because it said what you wanted to hear it is truth.
Okay, I get where you're coming from too :P

There is one thing about Hillary that I find to be quite terrible, and I know it is not a lie generated by Russians.
Hillary lied about Benghazi. She said the attack was the result of an anti-Islamic YouTube video. There was no video and she knew that. But why did she lie???
I don't care what the Russians supposedly said about Hillary. To me nothing is worse than her lie about Benghazi.

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Dude it's 60+ degrees where I live. People was predicting a big winter with ice and 18+ inches of snow. So far it's rained, blew wind, rained some more, and is occasionally cold. This temperature is not normal.

Our country was divided long before the recent election and these alleged Russians came into play.

We had 8 Benghazi hearings. Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi. Will we ever hear the end of Benghazi?

We caught the head of the attack. HE SAID A PARTIAL REASON FOR THE ATTACK WAS THE VIDEO!!!!

How can you NOT know that there really was a video? How is it possible that any adult in America, cannot know there was a video?

Maybe we need 8 Russian probes to get to the bottom of the Russian thing. Almost every Benghazi hearing was completely controlled by the GOP. What you are saying is that the GOP is completely inept, ignorant and incapable of finding guilt when it's directly in front of them.

I'm sorry but your ignorance should prevent you from actual discussion. You don't know enough about the situation to make an intelligent comment.

And your rudeness should prevent you from actual discussion. Seriously what in seven thundering hells does global warming have to do with our discussion here. That was a strawman fallacy and I should have not bothered responding to it. Make something else up while you're at it since you think you know me so much!

You still didn't give me any examples of negative info sent out by Russians.

And yes there was a video. But it was involved with an incident in Egypt. Cairo I think. And there was protests there.
There was no video in Benghazi. And there was no protests in Benghazi. It was a planned and coordinated attack on American lives.
There is a book and a movie made from the accounts of the ones involved. There was no protest. And calling me ignorant or whatever else you want to call me will not change this truth.
There is absolutely no way those mortars found their targets out of pure luck. It was a planned attack.

Here's the link to story regarding the video and the Benghazi attack. https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/khattala-benghazi-video-new-york-times

If you don't know examples of the negative info sent out by Russians, you clearly have not been paying attention.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/facebook-russia-ads-posts-hillary-clinton-most-bizarre-posts-election-2016-a8032436.html

Saying you have clear examples of how Trump won because you drove out of town and saw a lot of Trump signs and very few Hillary signs, I'm sorry, that's just ridiculous.

What climate change has to do with this, is that individuals reporting how cold it is in their back yards, is the very same kind of ignorant generalizations as you made on your trip out of town, to another town!

Sorry, you are simply wrong in your assessment of Benghazi. You don't even have all the facts of Benghazi yet are still determined Hillary is at fault and did something terrible to cause people to die. A gut instinct isn't proof of anything.

Bottom line, even if it was a planned attack and the Dems thought it was due to a video, what the hell difference does that make in anything? How does that matter? You do know that it was the Republican controlled congress that cut funding for protection at the embassy, right?

That's interesting because in this article it says that Hillary told the Libyan Prime Minister that they know it had nothing to do with a video and it was planned.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-benghazi-hillary-clinton-obama-rhodes-edit-0629-jm-20160628-story.html

How is it any more ridiculous than what the news says? On the news one day a reporter was saying how the polls are showing Trump's ratings is lower than Hillary's. There was a guy who kept asking what polls, what polls. And finally the news reporter said all of them. How ridiculous is a blanket statement like that? And I am not saying that is absolutely concrete evidence without a doubt why he won. I am just throwing it out to think about. Not sure if you notice this or not but reality is often much different than what the "news" would have you believe. If all I did was pay attention to the news I would think everyone hated Trump. Turns out, that is not entirely true.

Fair point with the climate change. But on the subject what is so ignorant and ridiculous about someone living in a different climate stating what weather is like for them? Do you have to be a news reporter or a scientist to state what the weather is doing where you live? I know how people denies the subject by not stating all that is going on. Like today it is cold, it felt more like winter. But for the past week(s) it has been relatively warm.

I dare say no one has all the facts. You are wrong about me. Saying Hillary lied about what happened hasn't got squat to do with blaming her for their deaths. Granted, lots of people do blame her. Even family members blame her. But their reasons has to do with her position, not the video remark.

Do not say "if it was a planned attack". There is no doubt it was a planned attack. Hillary admitted this to her daughter and to others. And as the defenders said there's no way those mortars hit them by accident.
Protesters don't pick up heavy weaponry and mortars because they are pissed about a video. That is the weaponry of a force that means business.
And in the book it says that the attackers had to be spotting them to be so precise.
This was not a petty mob attack.
But in the article I linked you, it does mention a similar incident in Cairo. So I believe that is where the mix up likely comes in.

You ask what difference does it make?
I ask why was the lie necessary? It sounds like she was trying to protect some people from repercussions. At best she was trying to protect the Libyans from any bad impressions. This could be possible because in an article I read tonight, either the one I linked you or a different one, said that the family members told reporters that Hillary spoke about how uneducated the people in Benghazi are and how they should feel sad for them.
Most likely she is trying to protect muslims in general. How noble.

Actually I will just link you the other article for you to read:
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jul/18/checking-patricia-smiths-claims-about-clinton-and-/
It also says there was no protest or video involved with Benghazi. But it says there was something akin in Cairo.

"How does the lie matter?"
Well it is proof that politicians lie and that Hillary lied. A liar can hardly be trusted.

"You do know that it was the Republican controlled congress that cut funding for protection at the embassy, right?"
No I didn't know that. But I am not entirely blaming the democrats for what happened either.

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"If you don't know examples of the negative info sent out by Russians, you clearly have not been paying attention"

I'll tell you right now, I haven't been paying attention. There is so much fake news being thrown around, by both sides, or at least both sides accuse the other of making fake news. And this was going on before Trump. If someone cited CNN or FOX their "evidence" was dismissed as fake news. Trump just turned it up a notch but it was already an issue before he came into the scene.
I will check out the link, thank you for posting it.

The argument was that she lied to protect the upcoming election results. No one will ever know. She said the video was the reason within 2 or 3 days of saying it was a planned attack. Both comments were made directly after the event, (within less than a week) when no one knew for sure the exact reason.

I watched the hearing when these questions were being asked of her. I don't like Hillary but there was nothing there to think that perhaps, she wasn't telling the truth.

Just think about this, 8 hearings were based on the question: "When did you know what you know, that the attack was not based on a video"

The hearings were based on that question to prove she was lying to help sway the results of an election. The Republicans were like sharks circling blood in the water but could not seal the deal.

Today, we're learning that Manafort may have given data to the Russians to help them precisely target Americans to sway an election but, none of that matters to Republicans.

What if Trumps Cambridge Analytica data was given to the Russians to help them precisely target Americans to help sway the election? Would that FINALLY raise heads on the right away from the 8 Benghazi hearings to see what's going on today?

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Well I thought the Russian interference had to do with hacking the electoral system or something like that. I did not know it included propaganda like you mentioned.
However concerning this particular one I can guarantee you that it did nothing to sway American voters. Or at least no where a significant amount as to affect the outcome. Who would believe it? Christians?
For that reason, I can guarantee that particular picture would have had no affect. Here is why.

There are several mentions in the Bible in different places about false prophets, deceivers, and the anti-Christ. Now the anti-Christ doesn't come until the end times and he will deceive many into believing he is Christ returned. But he is not Jesus Christ. Regardless many will be deceived and when the anti-Christ appears, well, things are going to get really bad.
By making Hillary out to be the devil they have also depicted Trump as representing Jesus which is wrong on so many levels. Doing so makes Trump fit the role of the anti-Christ which I imagine would not do well for his reputation.

I am not denying that Russians did this and other propagandas for the reason you mentioned at the very beginning, "to divide the country".

What perplexes me is just how stupidly some people buys into their propaganda. Like with the recent incident involving the smirking teen and the Indian. Apparently it was a fabricated lie and people are calling it out. But it did it's job at inciting more division and apparently people are calling for the death of those teens.

If you have 15 minutes I want to encourage you to watch this YT video that I just watched.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YX1v3IhYRk

I don't know what is going on. I don't know if it is Russians, activists, anarchists or another group altogether. Maybe it is a plot like in the movie Sum Of All Fears. But it does seem like we are under a psychological attack by someone with the intent of dividing our country and worse.

And I am just as guilty as falling victim to some of this stuff as others because here I am arguing with you about other issues when it appears our country is in great danger. Distraction, it is a most dangerous weapon.
Like I said, I haven't been following recent news. And you contributed to getting me aware of things like this. I mean someone is just trying too hard to spread discord.

Roger Stone apparently was working with Wikileaks on the systematic release of stolen DNC emails. Wikileaks has been considered a political arm of Moscow by our own intelligence agencies for two years. If this is proven, this is collusion.

The release of emails, played a role in the election. While the knowledge of Debbie W. Schultz and Donna Brazile's corruption in the DNC is valuable to all Americans, the release of emails to show Donna B. sent answers to debate questions to Hillary and both Debbie and Donna conspired to limit Bernie Sanders and his ability to win, undoubtedly swayed a few voters.

The 2016 election was one of the closest elections in American history. This is why Russian politicians and Oligarchs held a party and drank champaign to Trump's win. It was a win for them.

Hey buddy.
I am not sure if you are a Star Wars fan or not. In any case there has been a lot of "SJW" infiltration of Star Wars and they are stinking all over the place. It's basically like making politics out of what is supposed to be an escapist fantasy.
Please watch this YouTube video to give you an idea of what I am talking about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QldM38r9Mz4

Are these so called "social justice warriors" really just horribly misinformed youth or are they Russians whose sole purpose is to spread discord everywhere?

As I said before, I don't watch the biased agenda pushing media so laughably called "News" anymore. But I do watch these YouTube videos and stuff like this is everywhere. All over the place about everything under the sun is a "SJW" calling something racist or a Nazi. But are these people seriously misinformed people or are they Russians like you say are trying to divide the country.

Whoever they are they have certainly divided the Star Wars fan base.

If they are indeed misinformed people then my next question is who misinformed them so horribly???

Let me know what you think.