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Truth is, that "true socialists" are as easily corrupted once they attain power as anyone else, and once they are corrupted and powerful, then the truth could be potentially dangerous, and well, then the lying begins, the biggest lie will in their case be "I am a socialist" which nearly everyone believes, and well there you go. I mean when you've seen how many cold hard irrefutable facts Trump regarded as "fake news" you learn to see things in a bigger picture, as I cannot call Trump a socialist (and on one thing he's honest. He doesn't even pretend to be). Once people have power, they fear to lose that power, and the truth can make them lose power

Lol. Nice

Says the one who thinks true communism has never been tried.

Okay, then. Prove to me that true communism has been tried. Prove to me that Marx wanted people to starve.

Now, I don't pretend to be well versed with Communism or Socialism, but I am pretty sure that Communism was the people having full control of the society. To get there Marx proposed to establish a socialist state where the government secures all aspects of society before handing it over to the people.

The problem to Communism arrives in this middle step in the form of Socialists getting High on power and refusing to hand it over.

So no: Communism has never been REALLY implemented.

Just take the People's Republic of China. They call themselves communists, but in reality are just a Dictatorial Police State with a weird mix of Socialism and Capitalism thats sorta similar to Social Democracy here in Europe, just without the Democracy and more state interference in all matters.

Marx saw the community and government as one, so it didn't matter with who owned what.

Truly? I am not quite sure, but I shall let the matter rest. It is of trivial importance after all.

They didnt distribute it equally. Russia did nothing like Das Kapital

The Soviet union had collectively paid social security and healthcare. Not everyone had the same wage either, but the Soviet union was still following the idea of each according to his ability to each according to his need.

Communism has had more than enough chances to show it’s “true” form. Even when it’s not Stalinism it still fails. (Brazil, etc.)

Some of the most conservative people I know were my high school history teachers

I feel sorry for you.

Don’t; I loved every minute of it knowing my peers and I got a quality education.

No I made my own decisions

How do you know know that it wasn't you that was indoctrinated and made to think that you made your own decisions?

How do YOU know YOU haven't been indoctrinated? How do I know if I haven't been indoctrinated. Lets leaves this train if thought and assume we are all operating under our own will with minimal outside influence

this isn't the steven crowder I know.... luring college kids with shallow arguments...