Where To Place Our Focus

Except for beer bottles, didn't want to spread alcoholism germs I think......

In many way the old timers were vastly more ecological than we are today.

This was a very common sight through the 1950's in America. Some try to imply "sheeny" was a racist term, but people of all races were sheeny men who drove wagons up and down alleys to gather disposed junk that had value, or could be "repurposed". They basically wouldn't let things go to waste. My Dad told stories from his childhood about finding broken pots, or other items that they would sell to the sheeny man for a little pocket change- enough to buy a bottle of Pepsi or a candy bar many times. Another useless fact- most of the US was still farmed by horse teams in 1950- from USDA data.

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Watch the Penn and Teller B*11S#1T episode about recycling. It is a total waste of resources and creates more waste than it saves.

I viewed this episode. Got a great laugh out of the whole multiple recycling bins gag. I'd like to think I would have told them to go take a hike. I would do no more than 3.

One of their arguments is that it take you a lot of work to do all this recycling. Currently in my municipality we have a single stream system so gosh only 1 bin to worry about. So when I say 3 I mean trash, recycling, and composting, which I do so I wouldn't even do 3 unless I lived in an apartment.

As for recycling taking more trees that is a insidious argument. If there are more trees today they certainly aren't bigger and more diverse. We need more land trusts not more land fills, albeit you could and should plant trees there.

Really what we need to be doing is growing things like hemp which is vastly more efficient that trees at making paper. Too bad it took forever for government to re-legalize the growing of it. Wonder what Penn and Teller would say about that???

As far as landfills are just fine no that's not the case as no one wants one anywhere close to them. In fact no one wants even a processing facility anywhere close to them where the trash isn't even stored there. Our trash just keeps getting shipped further and further away... How environmental is that? I know this because of what's going on in my own community concerning this issue. So yes, landfill space is an issue.

I think the best argument they may have is that it costs more energy to transport, process, and re-transport to wherever than it may cost from scratch, but I didn't see any solid numbers on that.

Regardless on an environmental level the best thing we could do is to have very little trash and or recycling. The less items to ship to wherever the better. This means if we grew our own food and or shopped in bulk without all the wrappings, and had very little leftovers, etc we wouldn't have very much trash or recycling. However in this society it's really hard not to shop, and there is plenty of needless packaging so it's kind of hard to avoid it all together without so super serious effort that I'm even not willing to do. So what's the solution?

Ideally everything would be made high quality and last a really long time.... or any temporary items would easily decompose and would be composted and truly recycled. Even better if the composting could be done right at home which I do. And no it's not nasty because you don't use meats & oils etc & you cover with leaves etc, leaving you with dark rich soil

2/2 These guys are obviously libertarian in their ideology as they think any taxation is theft. So they're going to be a lot harder on any program based on taxation. Sure other than metals other items are typically a net loss. But between the landfill space, which indeed is a problem and all the trash that gets away from these supposed plenty-o-landfill space. there's a patch of plastics in the ocean the size of Texas with soon to be more of than fish, it does mitigate a lot of harm.

But ultimately I would agree with them in the sense that we ultimately need to stop recycling, or at least do it more mindful on a limited scale.

If we reused things like our own water bottles and truly had clean water provided to us by our local municipalities, (which by the way is only pennies or less per gallon to do right) then think of all the recycling we wouldn't have to do.... Same thing with silverware, bringing your own bags to the store, etc.

All this could be done. It is feasible. Unfortunately people usually do what's easiest. And it's all too easy to end up in situations where you pretty much have to take that plastic fork and Styrofoam plate or go without. But we still can strive in that direction. We simply have to value it.

Post a link and I'll view it.

I like the open mind.. this blows most people away.. sorry if this is "disruptive" but I actually think not recycling is probably more helpful to the world.. except for aluminum can.. as you'll see.. https://www.bitchute.com/video/j0Hd6UfA4MKo/

Anyone who knows anything about recycling knows that most metal gets recycled and most plastics don't.

And recycling paper is actually a harmful process.. but think of all the wasted energy and manpower to collect everything.. if you watch the episode.. it makes you realize.. we've been lied to..

Depends on the process. I've seen paper made by hand that looks very sustainable. Also you have to compare it to the cost of what's being cut down. If you're cutting down trees and all the carbon they mitigate and oxygen they bring then suddenly it doesn't seem so costly.

But ultimately I think your right in this sense. Most paper should be made of things like hemp which is a super efficient grower without need of pesticides or herbicides and then we can simply compost and re-fertilize the fields with them. That would be more the ultimate goal with some hand made recycling of paper for speciality products.

watch the episode.. most of the paper in the US is taken from forest that are specifically planted for paper and when they it is harvested it is replanted.. sure there's a big use of energy to do all of this but there is no shortage of trees in the world.. and I'm okay with hemp as an alternative but I'm not sure it's as cost effective. The episode is really telling and I did post a link ;-)

there is a right way for everything

Yes, though I suspect some paper is laden with toxic chemicals and wouldn’t want to grow food in it.

I’ll watch it.

I think not using plastic is unreasonable. What I think is reasonable is to open recycle factories so that we can do our own recycling instead of trying to sell it to China.

I understand your sentiment. However what I think would be better is to reduce by say bringing your own reusable water bottle as an alternative to buying disposable water bottles that at best might be down-cycled.

But if we absolutely needed to put something in the recycling it would be even better to just have it made of material that would naturally decompose. Then no recycling would even be necessarily. We could transition many of the recyclable plastics to hemp plastic which grows literally like a weed without need of pesticides/herbicides. This would initially cost more at first, but in the end the price would go way down and a good portion of our environmental problems would thereby be mitigated.

No. I really mean it. Plastic is in everything we use, even the keyboard you used to type this. Reducing consumption from water bottles is not enough. We really need to be serious and intentional about recycling. No other way around it. And not just United States, but the rest of the world.

I think we could do away with recycling plastics if we transitioned to hemp plastics for things like bottles and packaging. Now things like inner cars panels and keyboards etc yes we'll need sturdy plastics but really what we need to deal with her is designed obsolesce. If products are well made for long term use then the impact would be far less than the mass endless consumerism we're practicing today.

Population is growing, consumerism going down is not going to happen and that is a fact. We need to be serious and intentional about recycling. Plus it will open up more jobs if we build some factories.

It's not about whether or not we consume but how we go about it. If we had higher quality products built to last instead of cheap crap, much of it needless that quickly gets landfilled, then much of this recycling issue would go away....

No dud no, that is not how it works.

No that's not how it works, or no that's not how it should work? Because how it currently works isn't working. How it should work as described would solve much environmental degradation and quite possibly the early extinction of our species.

It isn't working because we are not being serious and intentional about it. If we are not serious and intentional then nothing we do will work. Now ain't you supposed to be in Neverland flying over ships fighting pirates? If you are not intentional you are never going to beat them pirates.

It’s not working because large economic interests are subverting sensible solutions while all too many people are either ignorant and or actingly like temporarily embarrassed millionaires. If we really want change we must first change ourselves, but ultimately the system else we will continue to be enslaved and in relation in the dark.

Yes, a for that very reason of the image you just posted we need to be very intentional about recycling and investing into new profitable recycling technologies.

Not only do we have to change our practices, but we have to change the system. We cannot recycle our way out of this mess. It's ok for the transition. But as the image link below indicates we really need to get to the root of the problem, not cover its symptoms.

My township just switched to a new company, they will recycle #1-7's, our old one would only take 1 and 2. lame.Saw a machine in Japan that can turn all plastic into oil.

Saw a machine in Japan that can turn all plastic into oil. <--- that is what we need.

it was cool, built for the home consumer

https://www.healthnutnews.com/video-i-want-you-to-stop-recycling/

See that is the problem. You watch too many one sided media and that is the means to all ends. You do not question credibility or other possible approaches. You got to think outside the box and explore all possibilities before you jump to a conclusion. Recycling in itself makes sense, re-use instead of continue using limited resources and dumping the used ones. The problem is that recycling is not profitable thus it is not working. Once our planet is really fed-up and out of resources recycling will still be the only solution. Oh, and it will get to that point, there is really nothing you can do about it.

I don't know about recycling being our "only solution". Certainly it could be done better. But the mere fact that it is all about profitability is exactly why we're in the environmental mess which will likely be our own undoing as a species.

If economics becomes the prime factor in why we do anything then all kinds of maladies will occur. We've turned money into the golden calf therefor we and a whole lot of other species are suffering, and it's going to get a whole lot worse unless we so to speak repent, which pretty much means to do an about face.

"If economics becomes the prime factor" economics is always the prime factor unless you live in Neverland and everything is free. The very reason why you go to work, eat and have a home is economics. Economics is that important. So, back to it, we need to find a way for recycling to be profitable so that it can work. For everyone in the planet to be smart consumer of plastics is but a fairy tale. I remember me doing the very same battle many years ago about composting organic waste and did it worked? Do you compost your own organic waste? See, noone cares.

Here's the meme that should have gone with your response. Your welcome.

yup

what has taken over this girl's bloodstream?

Love for mother earth. Wish more people were like her.

So do you, yet, do you compost your organic waste? Because plastic waste is not even half of the problem? Be honest, here is the moment of Truth, which technically you say you love. Hit me.

Not sure I’m understanding you. I compost post my kitchen scraps, etc, but obviously not what goes down the toilet.....

How do you do it?

I put all vegetable scraps and washed out egg shells in Tupperware. After a few or more fill up I take them out to a composting bin and pour it in with leaves and or dirt on top....

Within 6 months it turns into dark rich soil in which I filter through a screen. I use every bit of it in my gardening saving me money and making my gardening look better and be more productive.

You can expedite the process by adding red worms to just a few weeks. Composting is a form of recycling. You are recycling your organic waste. Thank you for agreeing with me that recycling when done right it does work. Keep composting and recycling and stay away from brain washing distractive media. It will rotten your brain.

For my personal use the amount of time it takes to compost is just right. It’s ready for me just in time for gardening season. I naturally have a few worms though as I add dirt to the mix.

As for what is commonly thought as recycling changes are needed. Recycling metals and maybe cardboard makes sense. For glass I don’t know why we can’t come up with a system of reuse. We’ve gotten lazy here. But for the rest we need clean products that basically can just be composted and fertilize the earth. This means plastics made of hemp and corn byproducts, etc. Also papers need to be printed with non toxic bio based inks, etc and composted as well.

There is also an eatable mushroom that feeds on plastic waste.

Kind of like, what can go wrong....

Well the shrooms are edible, but that is one of the many possible ways to recycle plastic. Shit people pay 400$ for steaks covered in a pure thin layer of 14k gold. And gold does not have any nutritional value, it goes down the toilet. (Yes it is true look it up).