Just call it what it is

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It's settled law. Get over it.

Orly?

Did you know Roe vs Wade happened before the sonogram was invented?

All of our abortion laws were made before the Sonogram was invented! How can anyone think that makes sense? It should be pretty evident that there needs to be another look into the subject at the Supreme Court level.

Is the law the source of the problem? Or is the litany of unwanted pregnancies the problem?

Both

So, if the law is one source and unplanned pregnancies is another source, how can we reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies? You know, aside from changing laws. What can you imagine?

I'm glad you asked!

First of all, sexual education is crap in this country. Abstinence is an unrealistic solution and actual safe sex practices should be taught. I actually know people that thought a woman can't get pregnant if she doesn't cum.

Secondly, and more importantly, women need better self monitoring practices. If they think they should be responsible enough to abort life in their bodies then they should be responsible enough to check for pregnancy twice a month.

That's right, women need to perform a pregnancy test once every two weeks if they are sexually active. It should be as common to buy a pack of pregnancy tests as it is to buy a pack of tampons. The new demand will lower the price to an affordable level in a year or two if every woman got on board.

This would mean pregnancies would be caught before the 6 week mark when heartbeats and brain activity can be measured. An abortion at this early stage is probably not worse than dropping a load on a towel or bleeding out onto a roll of cotton. Better to be safe than a murderer.

1. Better education.
2. Tax on sex which pays to test for pregnancy.
Nice list.

Better than a tax on sex to kill babies.

Yes, my list is good. Condoms are the same "tax on sex", but women are weak willed and allow their partners to have sex with them without using them. At least the pregnancy tests can be used on a woman's own time without the influence of a man pressuring them not to use one.

What's an extra $10 a month to end the killing of unborn children? I could get behind that kind of planned parenthood funding if the abortion laws are changed.

Men are weak willed and pursue sex relentlessly often in spite of clear disapproving behaviors and words. One could say men barely have control over their urges because their will is so weak.

Why is it up to women to stop sex?

Women are just as horny as men. In our society they also have the last word when it comes to sex. If a man refuses to wear a condom then the woman needs to refuse sex, it's as simple as that. Men will cave in to that ultimatum, women just need to assert themselves. How's that for empowerment?

So, it is women's sole responsibility to make sure to use 'planning not to get pregnant' and to use birth control?

"So, it is women's sole responsibility to make sure to use 'planning not to get pregnant' and to use birth control?"

No, men share the responsibility but are often less dependable. In the end women have the last say when it comes to sex and yes, do carry more responsibility. A man can't pee on a pregnancy test for the woman.

If men do not also have the last say, many men are probably getting raped.

Just FYI, $2 a month. Dollar stores carry reliable pregnancy tests.

Lack of education and laziness. Result: baby killing.

ROFL

Stick to the topic at hand trolltard!

Ok. It's an American right.
Happy?

Not for long...

I know right? After Keg-stand Kavanaugh overturns Roe V. Wade, I hope the first Planned Parenthoods they shut down are in Chicago. That city that needs more unplanned babies.

This guy and every woman who's ever had an abortion.

Can you at least acknowledge that there should be another Supreme Court case to evaluate abortion since the last time it went to the Supreme Court the sonogram hadn't even been invented?

What does a sonogram have to do with it?

The question comes down to "We kill animals, what distinguishes a human from any other animal"? Then you get into "is a fetus a human being"? At what point is a fetus considered a viable human? If not, when is it considered a viable human?

Then consider, does a woman have the right to control her own body and is the fetus part of the woman or a separate entity.

This is a very complex and involved question.

I see what you're getting at.

"At what point is a fetus considered a viable human?"

I still think the sonogram plays a huge part in answering this question. People take our current understanding of what goes on in the womb for granted. When Roe vs Wade was happening, even medical professionals were basically clueless as to what was happening in the womb. Nobody knew there was heart and brain activity as early as 6 weeks.

High profile pro abortion voices changed after the first sonograms, including one of the doctors who testified in favor of abortion during Roe vs Wade. He ended up dedicating his life to speaking out against abortion and planned parenthood.

I just find it ridiculous that the laws we have for abortion are based off of such primitive medical science when we have, and have had, technology that shatters old scientific beliefs.

Yes, but we also know more about fetuses.

For instance, while brain activity starts around 6 weeks, higher brain function does not start until 22 - 26 weeks. Considering anyone in a hospital who has no higher brain function is considered brain dead and is eligible for organ harvesting. There could be an argument made here that the fetus is not really human or alive yet.

As I said, a very complex issue. Not counting religious issues, there are moral, scientific, and ethical rights considerations that have to be made.

My grandmother had Alzheimer's. By the end of it she lost all ability to function. All she could do was say "help me" on repeat. Definitely not a full functioning human. Her organs weren't harvested because she had family that loved her. I suppose that's the major difference between her and an incompletely developed fetus. That and the fetus has a potential future.

Anyway, you've agreed that we know more now than we did then. The case should be reevaluated due to advances in science.

Alzheimer's is very different than Braindead. Alzheimers means you can't express any coherent thought. Braindead is that higher function is not even measurable or non-existent.

If Roe v Wade were to be re-evaluated today, it is possible that the science could support that by definition the fetus is not human or classified as alive at least until the 26th week and possibly beyond that.

What is human and how are different from other primates. According to life sciences, the main distinctions are self-awareness, abstract thought, a promiscuous combination of ideas, and generative computation. None of these attributes can exist in a fetus before the 26th week and is not measurable until after birth.

That is why this is such a complex subject. What do you use to determine life, when is a fetus human, when is a fetus a sentient being? Should this be determined purely on science, morality, religion, or ethics?

I'm guessing you've never known anyone with advanced stages of Alzheimer's. Let's forget about that comparison.

I also guess you've never seen the video of the 12 week old fetus as it struggles in futile to escape the abortion tools that eventually tear it apart. Does the desire to live give evidence to self awareness? Does the desire and actions of a fetus to survive bring any value to the discussion? Would you like to watch a fetus as it's being killed so you can make your own judgement?

Did you get your 26week number from a planned parenthood website? The vast majority of websites you visit that discuss the subject would lose money of planned parenthood was banned from doing the majority of its abortions.

ur mum????????????

i agree, abortion is a really sketchy topic for me. I like the idea that we can kill babies, but i don't like that we're giving women the right to choose. So frustrating.

What's wierd, is I'm okay with abortions, but it infuriates me that people want to call it a "reproductive right". No, if you need an abortoon, you have already reproduced.