Ignorance can be cured with education: stupidity lasts a lifetime

Problem is in the age of information there are so many making ad money of the easily duped. Or to put it another way, never has there been so much information that has meant so little to those that still haven’t a clue, but think they do.

One of the biggest blowhards of fake news is the waver of false flags, InfoWars Alex Jones admitted in court that he's nothing more than an actor reading a script. Guess who keeps quoting him as being "real" news.

Real credible. Banned from Facebook & YouTube, although soft bans, is a start. But to all the ignorant out there, who choose ignorance, he'll forever be a valid source of the news.

If you want the believers of the far right bullshitters to try listening to other more reliable sources you have to incourage them. Flat out telling them they are wrong triggers the automatic no you are! I read conservative opinions from people I strongly disagree with, but have on occasion agreed with their observation.

I also avoid purely partisan sources that I probably agree with as they too have an agenda that can cloud their approach. Facts are real and verifiable. Bullshit may spread easily, but it’s still bullshit no matter how much they tell it’s roses.

Agreed. One reason why I usually post links while refuting blatant lies. I only put the Trump/Jones fake news meme there because your comment about misinformation. The item was at the tip of my brainstem when I read that.

I try. I research. I research sources sources. Still doesn't do much good. Those that choose the path of ignorance shall be mired in their own waste.

Too bad we live in the age of misinformation.

True. I try to be as close to actual information as possible, but sometimes it's difficult. I've had relatives not speak to me for years when I tore apart their chain e-mails full of misinformation. One said, "I don't know where you're getting this information from, but it's BS." Funny, as I annotated every source, including adding links.

Wait, so Liberals had a choice to be smart?

Real people look at information from as many sources as possible including those they disagree with. Sheep stay inside their echo chambers. Then they get fleeced.

Thank for the new sweater

You do realize that there are many people in many countries that are in ignorance about certain facts. That quote itself is ignorant of the ignorance in the world. How ironic! That quote is also very vague. Ignorance is not a choice, and if it has, does he mean being ignorant about every bit of information out there? Surely no - one can know all of the vast knowledge collect by the human collective. What an absolute hypocrite.

*and if it is

*collected

The ignorance that you describe is very much like the ignorance within our own country. Misinformation is passed on as information. This is how totalitarian states work. These people believe everything told to them, but there are many that understand the BS behind it. They dare not speak of it though, for fear of their lives.That is not ignorance, per se, but self preservation.

This country is well along that path right now. It was seen with Nixon's enemy list back in the 70s, and today, with Donald Trump trying to shut down, what he calls, a witch hunt. When he ran for president, he failed to describe what he meant by making America great. He relied strictly on propaganda sound bites to get across the message, "VOTE FOR ME!" Right now, you'd believe that this country is doing great financially. On the surface, it appears so, but businesses are already laying off employees. I live in an area where there has been a labor shortage, and yet, people are getting laid off continually. I volunteer at food banks when I can, and I've noticed that the lines are getting longer. Not as long as they were 10 years ago, but more people coming in. One Food Bank would was running about 60 people through the line until last month. The number rose to 80. The bank I volunteered today has rarely had more than 50 people show up on any given day for most of the year, but today, they were just shy of 120 households. Other food banks are seeing the same uptick: a sign of local layoffs. But everything's great as long as executives and shareholders are making money.

O.K., I don't want to get in another long debate with you like before, because I wish to research something I found online right now. I kind of agree with your first paragraph, and I think that the F.B.I. should only continue their Trump - Russia investigation after Trump drains the swamp and gets rid of the deep state corruption. Also, you do realise that what you said was again very vague. I cannot have all of the knowledge every collected by mankind in my brain. Nobody can. Not Albert Einstein, not Stephen Hawking, not ANYONE. It is impossible. Our brains are not complex enough. So, I am ignorant of some things, you are ignorant of other things, and the President is ignorant of yet other things. There are people still living IN TRIBES in Africa and South America. Do you think that even adults living in those tribes know, let's say, every single state, city, river, theater, person, type of animal, and type of plant, in the United States? Do you think that those people have access to technology? Do you realize that (I try not to use the word "privileged" too much, because it makes me sound like an SJW) you are very privileged, and that there are hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people all over the world that do not have access to technology. Even if the tribesman from the previous example DID have access from technology, no-one is that smart. Oh, and by the way, stop trying to deny the truth, according to the B.L.S..com there are 155,965,000 people employed right now in America because of Trump, the 11th time the record has been broken since his inauguration. The Black unemployment is the lowest in history, the hispanic unemployment is the lowest in history, the asian unemployment is the lowest in history, the woman's unemployment is the lowest in 65 years, and our economy hasn't been this good since President Kennedy was in office. Before Trump was elected, I was (I am a minor) living in an apartment, but here's the catch, my mom wasn't even paying for it (I don't have a dad). Some other nice person was. After Trump was inaugurated, my mom started to pay for it, and she got a great paying job. From what I have found on the internet, the current unemployment rate is the 9th lowest ever. Don't deny stuff. I am open to learning from the other political side, and I will often agree with someone if they provide enough evidence. I don't stick my head in the sand and pretend that something doesn't exist, or try to trick myself otherwise.

continued. Every president has an enemy list by the way, and Nixon also has one. Every politician has a political enemy. For President Lincoln, it was potential assassinators and President Davis of the C.S.A. For President Reagan, it was also potential assisnators, along with Communist politicians in the USSR. For President Nixon it was the black panther party (a communist party threatening to destroy America), other politicians, and the Democrats. For President Trump it is the Clinton's, the Elite, the Obamas, potential assassinators, and other such people. President Nixon, by the way, was one of the best presidents, but he was not very moral. He broke some laws, and it was a good thing that he resigned. He was a great man for the American people, but he threw away his moral compass. And yes, executives and share holders are making money, but there is a minimum wage, and there are laws pertaining to salary. That is the only way how the Government should interfere with the economy. Interfering with the economy any other way, always fails. It failed under President Hoover, and under President Franklin Roosevelt. Don't be surprised about FDR. Economists predict that the Great Depression could have ended in the year 1937 if it wasn't for FDR. The second world war ended the Great Depression, not FDR.

I do recommend you do a little more historical research before making unfounded statements. For example, how others had enemies lists. Until the press decided to add to it, there were only 20 names on it:

The Top 20
(or "Original" List)
List
Position Name as originally listed Original Comment
1 Arnold M. Picker United Artists Corporation, 929 Seventh Avenue, New York, N.Y.
2 Alexander E. Barkan - national director of A.F.L.-C.I.O.'s Committee on Political Education, Washington, D.C.
3 Ed Guthman - managing editor: L.A. Times
4 Maxwell Dane - Doyle, Dane and Bernbach, New York
5 Charles Dyson - Dyson-Kissner Corporation, New York
6 Howard Stein - Dreyfus Corporation, New York
7 Allard Lowenstein - Long Island, New York
8 Morton Halperin - leading executive at Common Cause
9 Leonard Woodcock - UAW, Detroit, Michigan
10 S. Sterling Munro, Jr. - Senator Jackson's aide, 711 Lamberton Drive, Silver Spring, Md.
11 Bernard T. Feld - President, Council for a Livable World
12 Sidney Davidoff - New York City, Lindsay's top personal aide
13 John Conyers - Congressman, Detroit
14 Samuel M. Lambert - President, National Education Association
15 Stewart Rawlings Mott - Mott Associates, New York
16 Ron Dellums - Congressman, California
17 Daniel Schorr - Columbia Broadcasting System, Washington
18 S. Harrison Dogole - 2011 Walnut Street, Philadelphia, Pa.
19 Paul Newman - California
20 Mary McGrory - 2710 Macomb St., Washington columnist.

These are the people that John Dean was talking about. Now it is time to cure your ignorance by researching why these people, not a single one of them even plotting to assassinate Nixon. The list of possible assassins as you propose for other politicians is one handled by the FBI and/or the Secret Service.

I don't feel like researching all of those people, and you know it. The only reason why you posted all of these names (I think) is to make it so that I seem like I refuse to learn the truth and thus act hypocritical. Why are you so obsessed with President Nixon? Like I said earlier, President Nixon DID do a lot of bad things. He threw away his moral compass into the trash, and chose to help his country, and stay in power, by ANY means necessary. That was a very terrible thing that he did and I think it is also very sad that he did it. He ruined his great political career by recording and wiretapping people. I think that it was a good thing that he was forced to resign (not literally, but because of the consequences of being impeached) because of the deep state corruption. If it wasn't for Watergate, among other bad things that President Nixon did, President Nixon would go down as one of the greatest presidents ever, along with the the ones on the currency. President Nixon was probably paranoid, and he probably thought that he was above the law. Also, you never disproved me by making the list of President Nixon's enemies. If Nixon had a literal list of political enemies, that is truly unique and strange. What I meant when I said that almost every single president has had a "list" of enemies, and that almost every single politician today has one, was that they had mental lists, just like I have a mental list of MY enemies, among other such things. So, after I just cleared up the list thing, and agree with you that Nixon also was paranoid, thought he was above the law, was corrupt, and did not have very good morals, and that I even uphold the possibility that Nixon had a literal list, then what is so unfounded about my statements? I did not mean to make an unfounded statement about President Nixon, and if I did I am sorry that I did so. The reason why I only provided the name of one website (the name of the website with all of the statistics about unemployment rates is actually called bls.gov) is because I only needed to go on one website. All of the other information I knew as facts, and did not need to research it. I like learning about history, politics, and science for fun. I like learning about history the best. I just knew those things. I might have accidentally gotten one of my facts wrong, but I am pretty sure I did not. I suggest that you provide an example of what unfounded statement I made before you make a fool of yourself. >>> continued...

P.S. Even if Nixon DID make a literal list, so what? There's nothing illegal about it.

So, you're saying that you choose to be ignorant? You just blew your thesis to bits.

No, I said that no - one can gain all the knowledge every collected by mankind inside his/her head. This is probably the 3rd time I have said this. Get that through your thick head, if you have one that is.

Nixon's Enemies list is a recent historical. I've placed it before you. YOU choose iignorance by saying it's nothing more than data like the Secret Service and the FBI uses to track potential threats against the president. YOU choose to use to be a source of misinformation.

When you want to debate with real adults, you need to grow up first, little child.

HAVE YOU NOT READ MY RANT! IN MY HUGE COMMENT ABOVE I SAID THAT NIXON WAS PARANOID, AND IT WAS A GOOD THING THAT HE RESIGNED! WHEN YOU WISH TO FORMALLY DEBATE SOMEONE AND NOT SOUND LIKE SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T EVEN LISTEN TO ANYONE THAT ANYBODY SAYS, I SUGGEST THAT YOU ACTUALLY LEARN HOW TO DEBATE. You realise, I have agreed with you a couple of times. The difference between me and you is that I actually read what you post, and am willing to be open - minded. If your an adult I assume that you are going senile and need some help. This whole time you have been so illogical about "Ignorance being a choice," and saying other illogical things. If Richard Nixon actually got the government to spy on people because he was paranoid, that nothing new either. President Kennedy and President Obama have literally done the same thing. It's nothing that odd. I also suggest you learn some history before debating with someone about history, from saying that President Nixon was paranoid of blacks in another debate I had with you, from making a huge deal about an apparent list that he had. You are also being very vague about the alleged list, and have not yet told me whether it was a literal list, whether he was wiretapping and spying on those people, whether he just got other people to do those things for him, or if he was planning on murdering them. You are being extremely vague, and haven't even provided me with a link to a website that describes the afore - mentioned list. Formal debaters usually listen to everything the opponent has to say, is very open minded, uses logic, uses facts, AND IS NOT VAUGE. Formal internet debaters, or people who type of books as a form of argument know to always provide links when the given person cannot properly or adequately convince the opponent.
P.S. What the heck does the following sentence mean: "YOU choose to use to be a source of misinformation." I am very confused on this bad grammar. Maybe you are going senile, and I am very and deeply sorry for you if you are. Good luck.

Something I see in a lot of conservatives and liberals these days is a black/white thinking spectrum. Black/white thinking is the name I have for the thought process that goes behind calling every Trump supporter a neo-nazi, racist, or homophobe, ect.; and every liberal a commie, SJW, God-hater, etc. Basically, let's I disagreed with someone on one thing, and they retorted back saying I would've just called people racist (actual thing that happened, btw), rather than agreeing to disagree or reasoning with me (Often, these black/white thinkers use ad hominem fallacies and can't take a joke). I've observed it's a case of being in an echo chamber where many people agree with you, and as a result you find it hard to meet someone who votes differently. There are probably several other reasons as well, but I blame echo chambers. I also blame media sources who claim to be trusted (InfoWars, FOX, CNN, NBC, etc.).

Up until the last election, I would have held up my hand on CNN & NBC, saying they were unbiased. Now, even one of my favorite news sources, PBS, is questionable. Give me a headline that sounds interesting, Take the recent Trump Faux Pas about needing an ID to buy groceries. In some instances you do, but not the vast majority. If you pay with a credit/debit/EBT card, you are "supposed" to present an ID. Same with writing a check. The last time I was asked for an ID was almost 20 years ago, when I went to buy a pack of smokes. Also, you are supposed to show ID when purchasing Alcohol, Cannabis products, or, yes, tobacco products. But, when was the last time you were required to produce your ID while buying groceries. Note: special circumstances had to be met, and even then, ID is not required. Usually, if I buy a pack of cigarettes, they just ask for my DOB. I verbally give it to them. The way that Trump presented the statement, though, was a black and white issue. Some people took the Obama tweet seriously (see meme attachment) Remember Swiggy. He tacked that on to the end of the meme I did the other day, but he did it strictly for laughs. Not even sure if it was a real tweet or not, but felt funny enough he had to add it in a humor post. Not here. He left this place, and, according to my GF, isn't planning on coming back. Regardless, even after pointing out the "tweet" may not be real, several people took it seriously.