How Did That Work Out For The Native Americans?

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You're comparing modern day illegal immigrants to European settlers. I have to say, that's a pretty good analogy. Europeans came to North America and basically took over. They forced the people who were already here off their land, killed countless thousands of them, and spread their harmful culture and beliefs by force, without any desire to assimilate.

So your analogy makes both groups look horrible. Is that what you were going for?
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Little known fact. Indians are descendants of Europeans. Mind blown.
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I don't think that's quite how it works...
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That's exactly how it works. American Indians have European heritage. They are the ancestors of those who participated in the Aryan migration thousands of years ago. This migration left DNA all over the Mediterranean and into India before continuing north and over the Alaskan land bridge into the North American continent. The population then spread into North America and into Central and Southern America. Recent DNA mapping has confirmed this theory.
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Read my title.
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Ahh
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I really don't know how they conquered as much as they did.
It's not like they had the fast moving ships or planes of today to travel across the ocean. They had small, slow, rocking boats. They had to have been quite tired and worn out from such a voyage. And then to get out and start fighting hordes of strong zealous warriors in hot humid climates. And there had to be snakes, mosquitos, and everything else in those jungles.
But maybe the Native women were beautiful XD

Seriously, I don't know how they accomplished all they did. But then I don't know too much about the conquering of the Americas.
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I think a major part of it had to do with superior technology like guns, and the Europeans had horses as well, which the native people didn't have. The Europeans were largely driven by three things: search for gold, trying to conquer and seize land, and trying to spread Christianity. These were pretty big motivating factors for them.
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You have a point with the motivating factors. There was a lot to be gained. And by spreading religion they would probably get blessings, and funding, from the Pope.
The horses and superior technology like guns and cannons did give them an edge. But still there was so many they had to fight. And I would think it would be hard to maneuver cavalry through jungle growth. And the guns of the time was probably rather cumbersome to reload. Did the Spaniards have plate armor at the time? I suppose it doesn't matter since from judging at some pictures they didn't wear full armor.

Have you played the game Medieval II Total War? I don't play many games but I like that one. There are Aztecs in the game and they are bloody difficult to fight. I know games are nothing like reality, and I do not know how historically accurate the game is, but I think it gives an idea of what the Europeans was up against.
There is also an extra campaign called the Americas campaign. In it is more native factions. And one Mayan unit in particular throws hornets nests. Hornets nests! I looked that one up and it seems like they actually did throw hornets.
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I just found this interesting article by googling "conquistador armor"

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/02/03/spanish-conquistadors-used-advanced-weaponry-and-armor-to-their-advantage/

I haven't heard of that game, but it sounds interesting.

In Silicon Valley is a town called Cupertino, home to Apple. The city seal bears the image of a conquistador helmet, because the area was settled by Spaniards under the explorer Juan Bautista de Anza. The city also has a large statue of the helmet.
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They were doing it to each other long before the Europeans arrived.
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That's true, except they didn't do nearly the same level of damage as the Europeans, who almost wiped them out. No Indian tribe I'm aware of ever rounded up the other tribes and made them walk hundreds of miles to another location, killing many in the process.

Also, two wrongs don't make a right.
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You're right about that. I'm not condoning what the Europeans did in some cases. They committed atrocities that are inexcusable, but to put the full blame on Europeans is just dumb.

First, not all Europeans who came here did this. Many of them came here to escape oppression and had no intention of fighting with the natives.

Second, I hear the argument all the time that full blame rests on the white settlers. They were the ones who came here and murdered the natives, while "stealing" their land. And that's just not accurate.

Third, the argument that the natives were peaceful is a bunch of bull. Some were, yes, but many others were not. The natives were here for hundreds of years before the Europeans conquered and they did nothing in the way of advancement. They continued fighting each other for land grabs and territory ownership. The Europeans did nothing different.

All throughout the history of the planet, man conquered man for power and gain, but somehow the white man is to blame for all slavery and murder? You'd be surprised (maybe not) at how often I hear this bullshit.
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"They committed atrocities that are inexcusable, but to put the full blame on Europeans is just dumb."

I agree. And I'm glad you do acknowledge that the Europeans did do some pretty horrible things.

"First, not all Europeans who came here did this. Many of them came here to escape oppression and had no intention of fighting with the natives."

I absolutely agree. A number of Europeans even assimilated into native tribes and cultures peacefully.

"Second, I hear the argument all the time that full blame rests on the white settlers. They were the ones who came here and murdered the natives, while "stealing" their land. And that's just not accurate."

I would say it's accurate to the extent to which they did do that.

"Third, the argument that the natives were peaceful is a bunch of bull. Some were, yes, but many others were not."

I agree. It annoys me when I hear people try and make the argument that everything was totally peaceful until the Europeans arrived. Many tribes did fight viciously with each other.

"The natives were here for hundreds of years before the Europeans conquered and they did nothing in the way of advancement."

I guess it depends on how you define advancement. They may not have advanced technologically, but they were thriving and flourishing just fine. Technological advancement wasn't really necessary as long as they were surviving.

"They continued fighting each other for land grabs and territory ownership."

I think it was more for other resources, since I've heard that the Native Americans didn't really have a concept of land ownership the way that Europeans did.

"All throughout the history of the planet, man conquered man for power and gain, but somehow the white man is to blame for all slavery and murder?"

Just 99% of it (jk) :)
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Well, I thought the meme was pretty clear, it was a tongue-in-cheek response to how weak on border gets you conquered. But I don't know why some people always have to read more than that. So now you get a free history lesson.

First of all, there is no such thing as a Native American country. The indigenous people of America were separated into various tribes, they never formed a nation. So as a whole they had no borders b/c no borders = no nation and vica versa.

Secondly, tribally, certain tribes do have borders. You know what happens when you trespass into Apache hunting ground? Into Apache land? You get scalped. So all of the sudden being detained and given a bed with 3 square meal until your asylum request is processed suddenly doesn't seem so harsh anymore, eh?

3rdly, I always enjoy the simple minded emotionally driven little people and their narrow mindedness. Conquest of indigenous people by a superior culture is not isolated to Europeans. It happens everywhere all through history. You think Japanese were indigeous to Japan? No, original Japanese islands were filled with indigenous people groups such as the Ainu, the Okinawans, etc... They were all eventually conquered and assimilated and often just as brutal as the Europeans with the natives here. Watch "Seeddiq Bale" if you want to know what Japanese did with the natives of Formosa before it became Taiwan.

But Like I've said, it goes way further beyond that and all through history. The Greeks/Indians today were conquered by a nomadic Aryan race way back. This is why Sanskrit and Classical Greek are essentially the same language. The conquerer put the dark skinned indigenous people on the bottom caste while the light skinned rulers were in the upper caste of the Indian society.

But anyways, as someone has pointed out, invaders don't always come with open hostilities, often they come with a false sense of friendship or false sense of need. Don't be naive about the human nature.

What good is a "democracy" when all your enemies have to do is saturate your population until you are the minority? And then using your own gov system of democracy to change your nation and conquer it?

Think it over.
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" The Greeks/Indians today were conquered by a nomadic Aryan race way back."

I didn't word this correctly. The nation of Greece and India as we know it through history was "formed" by a nomadic Aryan race which conquered the indigenous people of those regions.
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Pretty sure they weren't going to take no for an answer lol
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