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Preferential treatment for illegal aliens , again  | IF AMERICANS GET ARRESTED THEIR CHILDREN ARE TAKEN AWAY | image tagged in memes,black girl wat,americans,laws,special kind of stupid,criminals | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Lol, you should submit this :-)
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12 ups, 1 reply
THE DEFINITION OF IRONY | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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11 ups
Brace Yourselves X is Coming Meme | FORGET IT PEOPLE ARE BRAINWASHED AND BELIEVE WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE YOU’LL NEVER CONVINCE THEM IT’S NOT JUST A TINY BALL OF CELLS FOR THE | image tagged in memes,brace yourselves x is coming | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
Difficult topic. But forget it. There is so much false information available that people on both sides will believe whatever they want. I was manipulated with all kinds of pictures of what fetuses “really look like” by pro abortion relatives as a kid. And I believed those pictures. Until my wife got her first sonogram at about 2 weeks. You could clearly see a baby and you could even recognize him from those pictures at literally 2 weeks. This is while everyone was telling me my whole life it would only be a clump of cells the size of a piece of rice. I never saw anyone so pissed to see a sonogram print before the doctor gave us those pictures. Trust me, you show someone who loves abortions a sonogram picture at 2 weeks after conception that clearly shows a baby—they’ll go out and tell everyone they know that you had fertility problems because you didn’t do a dozen abortions as a teenager and didn’t have your first kind until you were in your 30’s.
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7 ups, 1 reply
I am well aware of the grammatical error in this meme. The message is still the same. I wasn't going to point it out unless it reached the front page and as I see, it has. No need to bring up the error... unless that's your thing. I;ll still upvote your comment...

Unless of course, you're laonsite or AN0NYMOUS.
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3 ups, 2 replies
People who spend their sniffing out spelling mistakes and bad grammar have no actual talking points so they fall back on logical fallacies..
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1 up
Eh, it is what it is. I noticed it before it was pointed out when I posted it on Facebook. Deleted it from Facebook due to the error, but decided to leave it on here.
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0 ups
Hold on, there. Avoiding logical fallacies is one of thr primary ways that we keep arguments reasonable. Pointing out logical fallacies is an important skill in debate.
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7 ups
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4 ups, 1 reply
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3 ups
How ironic. lol
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4 ups, 2 replies
Ignore what they say. Pay attention to how they vote
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6 ups, 2 replies
Every pro abortionist is alive.
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2 ups, 2 replies
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2 ups
Well the Catholic church does not approve or whacking off..Of course except for the boy raping priests anyway..
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2 ups
...Okay

I came here for flame wars, not weirdass incoherent conspiracy theory memes.
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4 ups, 2 replies
But the last thing one should do is ignore one issue because of another one. And i'm not attacking you by the way. I see where you're coming from. But abortion is a complex issue as it involves two bodies. Plus **pe or medical issues make this a topic that is not so simple.

The problem I feel this argument has is that the children separated are clearly suffering. Period. This isn't an issue of two individual rights. This is an action that just hurts a child.
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2 ups
Men need equal fertility rights.
As the last time I checked a woman alone can't make a baby.
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2 ups, 1 reply
Where do you get the idea that these separated children are suffering? Is it worse than dragging them through harsh conditions to illegally enter another country?
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0 ups, 1 reply
Well for one they just lost their families because random strangers came and took them away to a place they never heard of, unlikely to ever see the family again.
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3 ups, 1 reply
Child protective services do the same thing every day when parents (who are legal residents) get arrested and put in jail. So where is the outrage over this practice?
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0 ups, 1 reply
Ok fine. Lets get deeper.

One:Many illegals are traveling to make a better life, some because they are poor and some from their lives under threat where they live. Remember the parents are also under the same conditions under the crossing. This is an act of desperation.

Two:The problem with this connection is while child protective services involve a trial and can lead to the family reuniting if the charges are dropped, separated immigrants may never see their children again. This is an issue.

Three: We also have to watch trump as his tweet this morning said,

"We cannot allow all of these people to invade our Country. When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no Judges or Court Cases, bring them back from where they came. Our system is a mockery to good immigration policy and Law and Order. Most children come without parents..."

Under no circumstances should anyone be tried without a trial in court. Period. So with all this said and done. That's why this is an issue to me.
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2 ups
I don’t blame them for acts of desperation trying to make a better life here. But they also need to face the consequences of doing so.

Immigrants fleeing oppression from South American countries pass through other countries trying to get to the US. Why? Partly because other countries are not so lenient with their immigration laws as we are. It’s true that so many illegal immigrants make a mockery of our immigration laws knowing that we can’t possibly give everyone sneaking across the border a fair trial and, thus , deport those who are not truly fleeing imminent death from their home country.

Many use the excuse that they’re fleeing abuse from their spouse. Guess what, American citizens have to do this too. Does that make it OK for Americans to break immigration laws to get to their country of choice?

If we just let whoever come in whenever and from wherever, pretty soon our country will be as bad as the place they were trying to flee from.

If you really believe everyone should have a trial in court, you need to look at how many Americans never get a trial in other countries. And how about prisonor of war. I know liberals wanted to bring terrorists at Guantanamo to US soil to be tried in court. Not only is it dangerous, it’s also not feasible.

Yes, fairness for all sound good until you actually try to implement it. How much more taxes are you willing to pay so that people with no respect for our laws can be fed, housed, clothed and tried in court?
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3 ups, 1 reply
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2 ups, 1 reply
Way ahead of you
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1 up
Facts > emotions
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3 ups, 3 replies
One of my favorite things to share with people deny science when it comes to the beginning of life: MODERN TEACHING TEXTS ON EMBRYOLOGY about a third down the page.
http://abort73.com/abortion/medical_testimony/
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3 ups, 2 replies
Yes, easy to understand. Yet so difficult for some.

The Bible tells us that there is no excuse for not knowing God as the creator. And terminating life at any level of existence is wrong.
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5 ups, 1 reply
Can you please explain to me how "unreached" people are supposed to inherently know about the *specific* god of the Bible? And if they do, why do missionaries even have to go tell them about him?
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4 ups, 2 replies
One way of knowing is in His creation. Just seeing His creation proves God exists. While we as sinful men will deny His creation and come up with our own incorrect versions of how it was made, we are denying what we already inherently already know to be true.

Even Charles Darwin proclaimed that if we were to ever be able to break down a molecule and it was complicated in design, it would prove God everything about evolution wrong and would prove an intelligent designer created everything we see.

Atheists will tell creationists that they don't believe in science if they believe in an intelligent designer. But we do not deny science. God created science. We just don't believe in an atheist's version of science.
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4 ups, 2 replies
"One way of knowing is in His creation. Just seeing His creation proves God exists."

That's begging the question. You're phrasing it in such a way that assumes the very thing that you need to prove. It's like if I say magic pixies exist, and someone says "prove it," and I say "just look around you. We live in a pixieverse. That proves magic pixies exist." It's the same thing when Ray Comfort says "creation proves a creator". Well, duh, that's a tautology. But you haven't proven this IS a creation. Also, how does that get people to the the specific god of the Bible, as opposed to any of a thousand other supernatural creator entities that may exist?

"While we as sinful men will deny His creation and come up with our own incorrect versions of how it was made,..."

Funny how those "incorrect versions" not only line up better with the evidence, but form a better explanatory model for how the universe works than any other version :)

"...we are denying what we already inherently already know to be true."

I don't inherently know it.

If Darwin said that molecules being complex disproves evolution (which I don't think I've ever heard), then he was completely wrong. I think you may have meant cells, not molecules, but either way, neither cells nor molecules being complex disproves evolution or proves intelligent design.

Science cannot and does not make any comment about anything outside of our natural, physical, material world. If a god exists, it is beyond the limits of what science can study, which means intelligent design, by its very nature, is not scientific.

Also, atheists don't have a version of science. We just have normal science, like everyone else.
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3 ups, 1 reply
Ray comfort is a total con man like most all fake tv and radio grifters..And even worse are those who believe his BS..Theres a creation so theres a god?? Well I can go to The plant that made my TV and see how it's done..When will god have tours??
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Completely agree. I met him once. May of 2011. He lives not too far from me.
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2 ups, 1 reply
"Funny how those "incorrect versions" not only line up better with the evidence, but form a better explanatory model for how the universe works than any other version"

This is based incorrect assumptions and false data and just outright lies from many of the scientific community. Science is science, but lying about how it works is a huge problem. Someone can say that we all evolved from a single celled molecule that over billions of years crawled out of the ocean and eventually became human, but that doesn't make it true. This lie has been around for a couple hundred years, but God's design has been around since the beginning.

"I don't inherently know it."

You don't give yourself enough credit. ;)
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2 ups, 1 reply
"This is based incorrect assumptions and false data and just outright lies from many of the scientific community."

Evidence for this claim?

"Someone can say that we all evolved from a single celled molecule that over billions of years crawled out of the ocean and eventually became human, but that doesn't make it true."

You're right. It's not true just because they say it. But that is what the evidence points to. (Not to be pedantic, but I think you meant single celled organism, not single celled molecule).

Likewise, what Genesis says happened isn't true just because it is written in the Bible. I hope you would agree?

"This lie has been around for a couple hundred years, but God's design has been around since the beginning."

Calling it a lie is silly. It's the best explanation and model we currently have for the diversity of life on this planet. At worst it's inaccurate. But it isn't a deliberate lie.

Two different comments where SpursFan left a smiley face? I must be doing something right :)
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2 ups, 1 reply
I'll reply once more and then leave it here. The more I comment the more it seems like I'm trying to change your mind. I guess in a way I am, but knowing your mind won't be changed anyway unless God Himself changes it for you. It's been known to happen.

"Evidence for this claim?"

Here's something that may be interesting to you. Or maybe not, I don't know. I found it interesting and it talks about dinosaurs living alongside humans and how evolution is a man made theory. Just something to consider.

https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/humans/dinosaurs-living-with-people-the-biblical-worldview/

And this....

https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/humans/dinosaurs-on-the-ark/

"You're right. It's not true just because they say it. But that is what the evidence points to. (Not to be pedantic, but I think you meant single celled organism, not single celled molecule)."

The evidence does not point to evolution. This is a lie told over many decades in schools and pretty much everywhere else.

"If a lie is told over and over again, it becomes truth." (paraphrased) --Joseph Goebbels

And yes, I am talking about single celled organisms.

"Likewise, what Genesis says happened isn't true just because it is written in the Bible. I hope you would agree?"

Well, I do believe it to be true because the Bible is the written word of God and God cannot lie. But I do understand what you're saying. Just because a source says something, doesn't make what it is saying truth. There needs to be evidence. And I do believe that there is plenty of evidence that supports the Bible.
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Even you were trying to change my mind, that doesn't bother me. That's what discussions are: each person trying to convince the other that their viewpoint is the correct one (or at least the better one).

Yup, I've heard groups like AiG talk about dinosaurs and humans coexisting. I don't believe it's true, however (unless, from a cladistic standpoint, you count modern birds).

I do find it interesting that Young Earth Creationists can't agree on dinosaurs. Some think dinosaurs coexisted with humans (and still do), whereas others believe dinosaurs never really existed at all, and all the bones of dinosaurs are hoaxes and fakes. Some literally believe that Satan planted the bones in the ground to make people doubt the Bible.

I believe the evidence does point to and support evolution. If it didn't, the idea wouldn't still be around. Scientists would have discarded it long ago in favor of a better explanation. Or they would have discarded it and said "we don't know, we're still looking". Scientific progress isn't made by clinging to disproven ideas.

At the end of the day, even though neither one of us will change the other's mind, it's still a fun conversation to have.
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3 ups, 2 replies
While your post doesn't prove the existence of god in any way..It is something i've pondered for many a years.. when you look about you? And ponder things. Example? Our planet? Any farther away from the sun? We freeze to death. Any Closer? we burn alive etc etc.. A quote from a scientist i read decades ago summed it up nicely. For earth and humans to evolve to the stage we have reached? is like hitting the power ball 100X in row..
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2 ups
The meme wasn't intended to prove God exists. It wasn't even intended to start arguments about his existence and the roll he plays in our lives. Just a way to call out the hypocrisy of the faux outrage.
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1 up, 1 reply
"Our planet? Any farther away from the sun? We freeze to death. Any Closer? we burn alive etc etc.."

So if conditions were different, we wouldn't exist as we know it. You're essentially saying "if things were different, then they would be different." That's a tautology.

"For earth and humans to evolve to the stage we have reached? is like hitting the power ball 100X in row.."

And yet it happened.
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2 ups, 1 reply
Ummm....I didn't say it...The scientist who wrote the book did..lol and i was not arguing in favor of creationism...I'm atheist..
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0 ups
My mistake. I thought you were saying that the commonly accepted scientific view was too difficult to believe. Sorry.
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1 up, 1 reply
1st? How exactly is the bible the perfect word of an imaginary being when it was written by what the book it's self claims to be sinful and imperfect men? 2nd? Nothing in scripture actually forbids "selective" Abortions. It only refers to the penalty for when a woman is caused to miscarry. 3rd? Did this imaginary being say this BEFORE or AFTER it chose to commit world wide genocides several times and commanded they be done..just wondering
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2 ups, 2 replies
1) He's not an imaginary being.
2) God sent a flood to wipe out the sinfulness that plagued the earth and promised never to do the same thing again. God doesn't commit genocide, man's sin does.
3) The Bible was written by God through chosen prophets who were dedicated to God's word.
4) God tells us that life begins at conception. Destroying God's human creation is a sin and will be delt with in the afterlife when God hands out his judgement.
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1 up, 1 reply
Well? as Jesus goes? Yeah thats a believable fable just doesn't mean he was the of a imaginary being. There are like 10 ore more fables that possess the same attributes of the jesus story from times BEFORE Jesus. As The imaginary God goes? actually? as i recall it claimed it would never destroy again by flood. And the fact he did so? It's Genocide he's God..he could have chosen an infinite number of other courses. but chose to kill on many occasions and even commanding his creations violate his own Ten Commandments.. Chosen to write? The why so many glaring mistakes. contradictions and lies? Wouldn't a perfect god ensure it would be a perfect book..even one single mistake or falsehood and it destroys the claim of infallible..I can agree life begins at conception but beyond that? what type of actual life?? If there is no heart beat? which there isn't one upon conception? Well it's getting murky..
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2 ups, 1 reply
I'm not claiming there's a heartbeat at conception. I know this is not fact and never claimed it to be. A heartbeat is detectable as early as a few weeks.

God's creation is perfect in every way. The only creation that has the ability to make their own choices is man. God created man and woman perfect (Adam and Eve), but with the ability to choose for themselves. This is something that even the Angels in Heaven will never understand. Man brought sin into the world and therefore everything imperfect that comes with it.

There are no mistakes in the original written word of God. There are versions that have been changed, but the closest thing to the original text is the King James Version, or the New King James Version if it's too difficult for us to understand.
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I never claimed you said there was a heart beat only an example..Actually no..Adam and Eve were created as perfect beings so #1. They would be unable to make a error and or bad choice. Gods perfection would be unable to create a imperfect being/creation. The bible even supports this the texts regarding good trees can not bear bad fruit..Also having no knowledge of good or evil prior to consuming the fruit? They could not be and should not be held accountable by such a being even if they could make a bad decision. then the issue of the serpent? Nowhere in Genius does it even hint at satan being present. Just more falsehoods of a fictional book. And? there is no way of making such a claim about gods word since there are no original copies of the original texts. If there even was an actual 1st writing. and not just oral traditions which is how the story spread..It's not my intention to disparage your faith. more power to you. Only saying anything you toss at me? Is only preaching and has not valid evidential value. And i can knock it down with rational and logical thought.. We can prove the bible using the bible. If so? I went and Watched Jurassic World on friday...Dinosaurs are real alive again..I saw it..lolol being a smart ass..lol
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0 ups, 1 reply
No the bible does not say it begins at conception, if you are going to claim to follow a religion you should probably learn it first. According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath.
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2 ups, 1 reply
What you are referencing is from the passage of Genesis (2:7) where life is breathed into the nostrils of the child. God breathes into you the "breath of life." The Hebrew meaning of this verse states that when you were conceived God gave you life.

Another passage in the Bible states that "before you were conceived, I knew you." This means that even before you were created, God knew who you were, which is a good reminder that when you destroy a human life, you're destroying something which God intended to live on Earth.
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0 ups, 1 reply
n Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense.
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2 ups, 1 reply
You need to keep reading. Exodus 21:22-25:

"If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, YET NO HARM FOLLOWS, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman’s husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
****BUT IF ANY HARM FOLLOWS, THEN YOU SHALL GIVE LIFE FOR LIFE, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe."****

It's telling us that when we harm a child in the womb and causes the mother to prematurely deliver but there is no further harm to the child, then a fine is warranted. However, if harm does follow, such as death, the punishment is death. This is what it means "eye-for-eye, tooth-for-tooth," etc.
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0 ups, 1 reply
"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" MG. - that said, if your god preaches an eye for an eye and not turn the other cheek, then ef your god, he sucks.
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2 ups
When it comes to killing a child in the womb, yes. Turning the other cheek is when someone does you wrong, you don't do them wrong. You forgive them.

And you're entitled to your opinion, but in the end, God judge's, not me.
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2 ups, 1 reply
Kinda like how religious people deny Biology when it comes to the fact of evolution? Like that? because we have a lot more physical evidence of biology and evolution compared to a invisible sky buddy snapping it's fingers..
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0 ups, 1 reply
So you are agreeing about the denying science?
Regardless, you are saying, "NO U," instead of making an argument or case for why it is not hypocritical and denying science to say a new human life does not come into existence at conception.
In terms of logic and rhetoric that is called Appeal to hypocrisy (Tu quoque fallacy.)
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1 up
Not sure what you are reading I simply stated religious people LOVE the creature comforts of science provides while boo hooing it in regards to gods existence..They can't have it both way..lol
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You are saying, "NO U," instead of making an argument or case for why it is not hypocritical and denying science to say a new human life does not come into existence at conception.
In terms of logic and rhetoric that is called Appeal to hypocrisy (Tu quoque).

As for speaking on what is in the bible, do you have chapter and verse for that? If not, your statement has no credibility with any critically thinking person regardless of religious beliefs or lack thereof.
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3 ups, 1 reply
biology and logic aside, grammatically that sentence makes no sense
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5 ups, 1 reply
Someone finally caught that. I caught it right after I submitted it. I think most everyone is getting the gist of it, though.
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1 up
:)
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2 ups, 1 reply
I agree with what you were trying to say, but the poor grammar makes us look bad.
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6 ups
Just a typo. What it was supposed to say was "Until you start giving a crap about the unborn children being ripped apart, limb-from-limb, your fake compassion about the illegal immigrant children means nothing."

But it only looks bad because idiots like laonsite and AN0NYMOUS troll the memes and point it out.
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One is murder the other is separating someone who has commit a crime its called illegal immigration for a reason they can do it legally unfortunately it takes ages to get accepted that's why it is so important to enforce it if I can just jump the border with no consequences then what stops everyone else from doing it the uk has the same policy no complains because its white Europeans who are crossing with the wrong visa and attempting to work on a visitor visa
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5 ups, 1 reply
No, not all lives matter in the sense that you're assuming I would say they do.

To God, every last one of us matter and are loved by Him. The "immigrants" at the border (those who are sneaking in and breaking our laws) gave their "right" to live here away when they crossed illegally into the country.
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1 up, 2 replies
If you and those like you can claim the right to quote from a imaginary book written over 2000 years ago? I can can reference the fact of europeans crossing the atlantic and going on a bloody immoral rampage to steal land, resources, and the wealth of which did not belong to them..
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3 ups, 1 reply
First, the book you're referencing, I'm assuming, is the Bible. That book isn't imaginary. It does exist.

Second, they didn't steal the land, they conquered it. Big difference.
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0 ups, 1 reply
Hey Spurs GREAT Logic..That makes it all good and moral then in the eyes of your imaginary sky buddy huh? Since they were defeated Gods Commandments Of "Tho Shall Not Kill" "Tho Shall Not Lie" "Tho Shall Not Steal" Ect, Ect, become void because they won????? I'd love to stay civil with you but?? Clearly your statement exposed once again how full of crap fake of a "bible cherry picking" person you are just like all people claiming gods are real..You don't actually believe the bible. It's nothing but a tool to self justify your hate and bigotry....You should go buy some slaves, do your sister if you have one, Kill your kids if you have any, Pray to be the richest man alive, etc etc...Because THE CONTENTS your fictional book says all these and more fallacies are 100% true..
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So I'm guessing you've met many Christians who have **ped and murdered?

I pretty much stopped reading after you said "imaginary sky buddy." Not because I'm being rude and close-minded, but because it isn't original. You know how many times I've heard that insult?
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0 ups, 1 reply
Why do people keep bringing this up? Is this to soften us up, make us apologetic because of something we had no part in, all in an effort to make us compliant with allowing terrorists to enter and take us over???

Or are you suggesting we all slit our throats for the actions of people long ago?

The human sacrificing Aztecs outnumbered the Spanish greatly, they fought back and they lost. It's not like they had corrupt politicians and ignorant SJWs making tweets saying that "if you resist multiculturalism you are a racist bigot".

Do you believe we should be conquered to atone for what was committed long ago, something we had no part in?

In nearly everything in life you have to fight and conquer to obtain what little you gain. Oh you might not see the blood and it may not be physical fighting but there is competition no doubt. And rarely do you have competition where someone isn't hurt.

For example, your job, you might think that your impressive degree or superior intelligence or work ethics landed you that job. And that for such reasons you earned your job. But what about the others you knocked out of that position by taking it yourself? What of their families? This apologetic mentality can be applied to so much more than Europeans clearing the lands of human sacrificing savages.

But I am still left wondering, why bring it up? Unless you want some atonement for what was done, I see no reason to bring that up in the manner in which you brought it up.
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0 ups, 1 reply
No...it's pointed out by people like me because you and those like you seem to believe the actions of the past have no bearing on the hear and now. And that since they did it we can to..Lastly? So if we can and did it?? They are simply reclaiming lands we never owned to begin with..It's a vicious cycle really..The only way it will end? Humans go extinct..but never be so arrogant as to think others don't possess the same rights as you..
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0 ups, 1 reply
"because you and those like you seem to believe the actions of the past have no bearing on the hear and now"

Elaborate please.
And how can you say I believe the actions of the past have no impact on the present? There is a reason I don't trust radical Islamic terrorists! It is because forever they have been trying to conquer everyone else.
But back to the Aztecs, did you even read what I said?
-- The human sacrificing Aztecs outnumbered the Spanish greatly, they fought back and they lost. It's not like they had corrupt politicians and ignorant SJWs making tweets saying that "if you resist multiculturalism you are a racist bigot". --
Totally different scenario.

"They are simply reclaiming lands we never owned to begin with"

Who?
And does that make it okay to reclaim lost land then? Constantinople here we come! Amazing how no one mentions the Byzantines or much more recently, the Armenians.

"but never be so arrogant as to think others don't possess the same rights as you.."

Terrorists and rapists do not possess the same rights as we do. Some bleeding heart or a forgiving Christian might say otherwise but I say they forfeited their rights when they committed their crime. There has to be punishments for such crimes otherwise people will think they can get away with anything and everything.
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0 ups, 1 reply
Nope..pointing out that the arrogance of believing that just because the previous occupants of North America lost their lives, land, resources, and were defeated in no way makes it moral and acceptable. And yes, The ancestors of this who were so wronged by Settlers then The new America do have a right to attempt to reclaim it. It will most likely fail of course. But really think about..Americans are grumpy because land that was stolen is being kinda stolen?? LOL Thats why criminals can't go to the cops when THEY themselves are robbed..lol..As Terrorists go? Always funny how when The White House approves? They are called "FREEDOM FIGHTERS" if not? They are Terrorists..As Rapists , Murderers etc go? They do have rights. It's called Due Process..Are you the type who sit back and assume guilt simply because someone gets arrested?
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"And yes, The ancestors of this who were so wronged by Settlers then The new America do have a right to attempt to reclaim it."

Again, who are the descendants of the ones who lost America to the Europeans? It isn't the Mexicans and it sure as hell isn't the Syrian refugees giving the Europeans such a hard time.
For what it is worth, I AM part American Indian. I had an ancestor that was Indian and was given land during the time when land was given back to them. But that is about all I know about that story. I have no desire to strike up the war drums and reclaim land lost to Natives back then.
Now I do have a very strong desire to keep from losing everyone I love. Both the ones I know and the friends I haven't met yet.

"But really think about..Americans are grumpy because land that was stolen is being kinda stolen?? LOL"

No, you still are not getting it. It is not the same unless you mean to tell me the Native's Chiefs gave free benefits to the Europeans and told everyone that they must accept these invaders peacefully to promote multiculturalism so they could be more progressive.
Is that how it happened?
I don't think so.
They fought tooth and nail until the bitter end. In Europe they are giving up their very lives to the mass of refugees because of people like Angela Merkel. Young women are being **ped and assaulted by the hundreds and their men would rather let it happen than to be labeled a "racist bigot" by someone on twitter.

"Always funny how when The White House approves?"

Not entirely sure what you mean by that. But obviously if they are against us they are terrorists.

"Are you the type who sit back and assume guilt simply because someone gets arrested?"

Hell no. Any greasy easy sleazy weezy with enough influence or "witnesses" can make a false claim against another.
I am talking about the ones that DID do the crime, not just get accused.
And for those, I am more like the Punisher.
The guilty will be punished.

Tell me why a rapist deserves the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Should he be released to ruin another young lady's life?
"Oh it wasn't his fault, the poor boy. He probably had a sexual emergency."
No. They deserve no rights after being found guilty.
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Lets be civil? and address each issue at time? considering they are in fact separate issues. You asked Who the mexicans were that lost Terrority to America? I could be wrong? But might have it been Mexico?
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"You asked Who the mexicans were that lost Terrority to America? I could be wrong? But might have it been Mexico?"
I thought that territory was Spain's? And before them, whatever Native tribe lived there. But I am talking 1600-1700, I think, I'm not too good at dates.

Do you mind if I just reply on one section?

"As for your comment about Syria? Thats a red herring and not related to the issue at our southern border so need to comment..brb"

I don't really know what this current "refugee / immigrant" problem is about. I haven't been following the news much lately. And the Syrian problem in Europe is relevant to the discussion. It shows the danger of allowing masses to swarm in unchecked.
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As for the current factual Mexican issue? The immigrants coming in and or trying to enter are primarily from South America and not mexico..As for your comment about Syria? Thats a red herring and not related to the issue at our southern border so need to comment..brb
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You may misunderstand me, We are here now..I merely point out that all the self righteous and fake patriots of today are wrong in their assumption we had or have special claim to the north American Continent. As tho OUR ancestors had that right. And this guy Spursfromaroundtheworld who claims to be christian justifying the bloody and immoral way it was done because they won???? If you think thats acceptable?? WOW..by such logic? Someone could enter your home. kill you and your family and say what hell...I won so it's mine..Rapists or other actual criminals?? Of course they lose rights while in prison. AFTER due process. Upon release? rights should be restored due to having paid there debt to society..But thats another topic .lolol
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"I merely point out that all the self righteous and fake patriots of today are wrong in their assumption we had or have special claim to the north American Continent"

Well we own it, we take care of it, we defend it, it is claimed by us. By that logic Turkey has no land claim as do most Middle Eastern countries because it was formerly the Byzantine empire.

"As tho OUR ancestors had that right."
Man if this issue bothers you so much give up all of your possessions right now to the first Native you see and go back to Europe.

"And this guy Spursfromaroundtheworld who claims to be christian justifying the bloody and immoral way it was done because they won???? If you think thats acceptable?? WOW..by such logic? Someone could enter your home. kill you and your family and say what hell...I won so it's mine"

Like I said with the job competition and knocking other people out of YOUR position. There is little gained that is without harm to another when you really think deeply about it. Like buying something in a store. You think you are entitled to it because you pay for it with that job you knocked a dozen others out of, and now you are taking food that another more needier family may need. You got the last of bread and milk thinking how lucky you are but what about the many others who won't get it now because of you.
Interesting, your comments about that issue of claiming entitlement through dishonorable ways has made me think much more about it.
What is there to be gained that doesn't have some sort of negative effect on another person, no matter how small the effect?
There is very few if any.

"Upon release? rights should be restored due to having paid there debt to society..But thats another topic .lolol"

I cringe at the thought of releasing rapists. Most repeat offenders are criminals previously released.
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"You may misunderstand me"

I may be misunderstanding your reasons for pointing this out.
Yes, the Americas was conquered by Spain and other European powers.
Yes, there was bloodshed and killing.
It was conquered. To be conquered is not a pleasant pretty ordeal.

There is a reason why Americans (myself included) want to keep their country from being conquered. It is because of the accounts of every conquered people throughout history! Unless I missed one peculiar event, has there ever been a nice, fair, pretty conquest? Or hasn't it always been with death and destruction?
And what is so bad with wanting to keep our country from being taken over?

Because it was taken from others before us you say..?
Yes, that is fact.
But what do you want?
Do you want acknowledgement? An apology? All the land given back to people claiming to be descendants from them?

This is what I don't understand about why people keep bringing this up.

"Nope..pointing out that the arrogance of believing that just because the previous occupants of North America lost their lives, land, resources, and were defeated in no way makes it moral and acceptable. And yes, The ancestors of this who were so wronged by Settlers then The new America do have a right to attempt to reclaim it."

Judging from the last part, it sounds like you want to see us conquered to atone for the actions of our ancestors.
Am I right?
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Isis lives matter, too. However, they forfeited their right to life by committing terrible acts of violence.

A good moral philosophy should do more than just disapprove of evil, it should also allow for the prevention and punishment of it.
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Our service members who "followed" orders do they lose their rights to life when carrying out those "orders" and crossing borders into sovereign nations that have never declared war against America?? or attacked America.."Following immoral and unjust" orders is an act of evil not prevention of evil. And our service men and women do so and law enforcement does so against it's own people...so..prove me wrong..
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I never said that following unjust orders was acceptable, what I said is that the punishment of evil is a moral obligation. When people in military or law enforcement deliver punishment unjustly (that is, either on people who have not done anything deserving of punishment, or in cases where due process is ignored), they themselves are in the wrong, and ought to be subject to consequences.

Personally, I am against unlawful wars, and think that prolonged conflicts require a formal declaration of war. I really can't prove wrong anything you just said, because I agree with what you are saying (although it is possible that I might disagree with some assumptions or inferences that may or may not be attached to your words).
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People even apparent members of ISIS according to Americas constitution do possess rights. It's called due process. But have no fear, Our Constitution was shredded long ago..Americans just think they have rights..
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In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense.
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Acceptance issues with Roe or emo clinginess to the unborn does not reasonably make them a person. It means you have some personal growth to work on before you get to claim to be an adult in intellectual circles.
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Conception makes them a person.
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According to whom? Not the law. Not every zygote makes it to fruition. Emo want is not logic. It's a lack of self awareness issue on your part.
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No, it's what God says. I trust God, not man.
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Wrong. The emo believers WANT for their religious surrender to translate into surety is foolishness. According to religion, no doubt millions of pregnant women drowned with their babies still in the womb during the flood of Noah. And what about those unborn children, you care about ooooh so much with emotional clingy vain self indulgence? They were naughty? What was their crime?
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