Lol, you should submit this :-)

Difficult topic. But forget it. There is so much false information available that people on both sides will believe whatever they want. I was manipulated with all kinds of pictures of what fetuses “really look like” by pro abortion relatives as a kid. And I believed those pictures. Until my wife got her first sonogram at about 2 weeks. You could clearly see a baby and you could even recognize him from those pictures at literally 2 weeks. This is while everyone was telling me my whole life it would only be a clump of cells the size of a piece of rice. I never saw anyone so pissed to see a sonogram print before the doctor gave us those pictures. Trust me, you show someone who loves abortions a sonogram picture at 2 weeks after conception that clearly shows a baby—they’ll go out and tell everyone they know that you had fertility problems because you didn’t do a dozen abortions as a teenager and didn’t have your first kind until you were in your 30’s.

I am well aware of the grammatical error in this meme. The message is still the same. I wasn't going to point it out unless it reached the front page and as I see, it has. No need to bring up the error... unless that's your thing. I;ll still upvote your comment...

Unless of course, you're laonsite or AN0NYMOUS.

People who spend their sniffing out spelling mistakes and bad grammar have no actual talking points so they fall back on logical fallacies..

Eh, it is what it is. I noticed it before it was pointed out when I posted it on Facebook. Deleted it from Facebook due to the error, but decided to leave it on here.

Hold on, there. Avoiding logical fallacies is one of thr primary ways that we keep arguments reasonable. Pointing out logical fallacies is an important skill in debate.

How ironic. lol

Ignore what they say. Pay attention to how they vote

Every pro abortionist is alive.

Well the Catholic church does not approve or whacking off..Of course except for the boy raping priests anyway..

...Okay

I came here for flame wars, not weirdass incoherent conspiracy theory memes.

But the last thing one should do is ignore one issue because of another one. And i'm not attacking you by the way. I see where you're coming from. But abortion is a complex issue as it involves two bodies. Plus rape or medical issues make this a topic that is not so simple.

The problem I feel this argument has is that the children separated are clearly suffering. Period. This isn't an issue of two individual rights. This is an action that just hurts a child.

Men need equal fertility rights.
As the last time I checked a woman alone can't make a baby.

Where do you get the idea that these separated children are suffering? Is it worse than dragging them through harsh conditions to illegally enter another country?

Well for one they just lost their families because random strangers came and took them away to a place they never heard of, unlikely to ever see the family again.

Child protective services do the same thing every day when parents (who are legal residents) get arrested and put in jail. So where is the outrage over this practice?

Ok fine. Lets get deeper.

One:Many illegals are traveling to make a better life, some because they are poor and some from their lives under threat where they live. Remember the parents are also under the same conditions under the crossing. This is an act of desperation.

Two:The problem with this connection is while child protective services involve a trial and can lead to the family reuniting if the charges are dropped, separated immigrants may never see their children again. This is an issue.

Three: We also have to watch trump as his tweet this morning said,

"We cannot allow all of these people to invade our Country. When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no Judges or Court Cases, bring them back from where they came. Our system is a mockery to good immigration policy and Law and Order. Most children come without parents..."

Under no circumstances should anyone be tried without a trial in court. Period. So with all this said and done. That's why this is an issue to me.

I don’t blame them for acts of desperation trying to make a better life here. But they also need to face the consequences of doing so.

Immigrants fleeing oppression from South American countries pass through other countries trying to get to the US. Why? Partly because other countries are not so lenient with their immigration laws as we are. It’s true that so many illegal immigrants make a mockery of our immigration laws knowing that we can’t possibly give everyone sneaking across the border a fair trial and, thus , deport those who are not truly fleeing imminent death from their home country.

Many use the excuse that they’re fleeing abuse from their spouse. Guess what, American citizens have to do this too. Does that make it OK for Americans to break immigration laws to get to their country of choice?

If we just let whoever come in whenever and from wherever, pretty soon our country will be as bad as the place they were trying to flee from.

If you really believe everyone should have a trial in court, you need to look at how many Americans never get a trial in other countries. And how about prisonor of war. I know liberals wanted to bring terrorists at Guantanamo to US soil to be tried in court. Not only is it dangerous, it’s also not feasible.

Yes, fairness for all sound good until you actually try to implement it. How much more taxes are you willing to pay so that people with no respect for our laws can be fed, housed, clothed and tried in court?

One of my favorite things to share with people deny science when it comes to the beginning of life: MODERN TEACHING TEXTS ON EMBRYOLOGY about a third down the page.
http://abort73.com/abortion/medical_testimony/

Yes, easy to understand. Yet so difficult for some.

The Bible tells us that there is no excuse for not knowing God as the creator. And terminating life at any level of existence is wrong.

One way of knowing is in His creation. Just seeing His creation proves God exists. While we as sinful men will deny His creation and come up with our own incorrect versions of how it was made, we are denying what we already inherently already know to be true.

Even Charles Darwin proclaimed that if we were to ever be able to break down a molecule and it was complicated in design, it would prove God everything about evolution wrong and would prove an intelligent designer created everything we see.

Atheists will tell creationists that they don't believe in science if they believe in an intelligent designer. But we do not deny science. God created science. We just don't believe in an atheist's version of science.

Ray comfort is a total con man like most all fake tv and radio grifters..And even worse are those who believe his BS..Theres a creation so theres a god?? Well I can go to The plant that made my TV and see how it's done..When will god have tours??

"Funny how those "incorrect versions" not only line up better with the evidence, but form a better explanatory model for how the universe works than any other version"

This is based incorrect assumptions and false data and just outright lies from many of the scientific community. Science is science, but lying about how it works is a huge problem. Someone can say that we all evolved from a single celled molecule that over billions of years crawled out of the ocean and eventually became human, but that doesn't make it true. This lie has been around for a couple hundred years, but God's design has been around since the beginning.

"I don't inherently know it."

You don't give yourself enough credit. ;)

I'll reply once more and then leave it here. The more I comment the more it seems like I'm trying to change your mind. I guess in a way I am, but knowing your mind won't be changed anyway unless God Himself changes it for you. It's been known to happen.

"Evidence for this claim?"

Here's something that may be interesting to you. Or maybe not, I don't know. I found it interesting and it talks about dinosaurs living alongside humans and how evolution is a man made theory. Just something to consider.

https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/humans/dinosaurs-living-with-people-the-biblical-worldview/

And this....

https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/humans/dinosaurs-on-the-ark/

"You're right. It's not true just because they say it. But that is what the evidence points to. (Not to be pedantic, but I think you meant single celled organism, not single celled molecule)."

The evidence does not point to evolution. This is a lie told over many decades in schools and pretty much everywhere else.

"If a lie is told over and over again, it becomes truth." (paraphrased) --Joseph Goebbels

And yes, I am talking about single celled organisms.

"Likewise, what Genesis says happened isn't true just because it is written in the Bible. I hope you would agree?"

Well, I do believe it to be true because the Bible is the written word of God and God cannot lie. But I do understand what you're saying. Just because a source says something, doesn't make what it is saying truth. There needs to be evidence. And I do believe that there is plenty of evidence that supports the Bible.

While your post doesn't prove the existence of god in any way..It is something i've pondered for many a years.. when you look about you? And ponder things. Example? Our planet? Any farther away from the sun? We freeze to death. Any Closer? we burn alive etc etc.. A quote from a scientist i read decades ago summed it up nicely. For earth and humans to evolve to the stage we have reached? is like hitting the power ball 100X in row..

The meme wasn't intended to prove God exists. It wasn't even intended to start arguments about his existence and the roll he plays in our lives. Just a way to call out the hypocrisy of the faux outrage.

Ummm....I didn't say it...The scientist who wrote the book did..lol and i was not arguing in favor of creationism...I'm atheist..

1st? How exactly is the bible the perfect word of an imaginary being when it was written by what the book it's self claims to be sinful and imperfect men? 2nd? Nothing in scripture actually forbids "selective" Abortions. It only refers to the penalty for when a woman is caused to miscarry. 3rd? Did this imaginary being say this BEFORE or AFTER it chose to commit world wide genocides several times and commanded they be done..just wondering

1) He's not an imaginary being.
2) God sent a flood to wipe out the sinfulness that plagued the earth and promised never to do the same thing again. God doesn't commit genocide, man's sin does.
3) The Bible was written by God through chosen prophets who were dedicated to God's word.
4) God tells us that life begins at conception. Destroying God's human creation is a sin and will be delt with in the afterlife when God hands out his judgement.

Well? as Jesus goes? Yeah thats a believable fable just doesn't mean he was the of a imaginary being. There are like 10 ore more fables that possess the same attributes of the jesus story from times BEFORE Jesus. As The imaginary God goes? actually? as i recall it claimed it would never destroy again by flood. And the fact he did so? It's Genocide he's God..he could have chosen an infinite number of other courses. but chose to kill on many occasions and even commanding his creations violate his own Ten Commandments.. Chosen to write? The why so many glaring mistakes. contradictions and lies? Wouldn't a perfect god ensure it would be a perfect book..even one single mistake or falsehood and it destroys the claim of infallible..I can agree life begins at conception but beyond that? what type of actual life?? If there is no heart beat? which there isn't one upon conception? Well it's getting murky..

I'm not claiming there's a heartbeat at conception. I know this is not fact and never claimed it to be. A heartbeat is detectable as early as a few weeks.

God's creation is perfect in every way. The only creation that has the ability to make their own choices is man. God created man and woman perfect (Adam and Eve), but with the ability to choose for themselves. This is something that even the Angels in Heaven will never understand. Man brought sin into the world and therefore everything imperfect that comes with it.

There are no mistakes in the original written word of God. There are versions that have been changed, but the closest thing to the original text is the King James Version, or the New King James Version if it's too difficult for us to understand.

I never claimed you said there was a heart beat only an example..Actually no..Adam and Eve were created as perfect beings so #1. They would be unable to make a error and or bad choice. Gods perfection would be unable to create a imperfect being/creation. The bible even supports this the texts regarding good trees can not bear bad fruit..Also having no knowledge of good or evil prior to consuming the fruit? They could not be and should not be held accountable by such a being even if they could make a bad decision. then the issue of the serpent? Nowhere in Genius does it even hint at satan being present. Just more falsehoods of a fictional book. And? there is no way of making such a claim about gods word since there are no original copies of the original texts. If there even was an actual 1st writing. and not just oral traditions which is how the story spread..It's not my intention to disparage your faith. more power to you. Only saying anything you toss at me? Is only preaching and has not valid evidential value. And i can knock it down with rational and logical thought.. We can prove the bible using the bible. If so? I went and Watched Jurassic World on friday...Dinosaurs are real alive again..I saw it..lolol being a smart ass..lol

No the bible does not say it begins at conception, if you are going to claim to follow a religion you should probably learn it first. According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath.

What you are referencing is from the passage of Genesis (2:7) where life is breathed into the nostrils of the child. God breathes into you the "breath of life." The Hebrew meaning of this verse states that when you were conceived God gave you life.

Another passage in the Bible states that "before you were conceived, I knew you." This means that even before you were created, God knew who you were, which is a good reminder that when you destroy a human life, you're destroying something which God intended to live on Earth.

n Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense.

You need to keep reading. Exodus 21:22-25:

"If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, YET NO HARM FOLLOWS, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman’s husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
****BUT IF ANY HARM FOLLOWS, THEN YOU SHALL GIVE LIFE FOR LIFE, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe."****

It's telling us that when we harm a child in the womb and causes the mother to prematurely deliver but there is no further harm to the child, then a fine is warranted. However, if harm does follow, such as death, the punishment is death. This is what it means "eye-for-eye, tooth-for-tooth," etc.

"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" MG. - that said, if your god preaches an eye for an eye and not turn the other cheek, then ef your god, he sucks.

When it comes to killing a child in the womb, yes. Turning the other cheek is when someone does you wrong, you don't do them wrong. You forgive them.

And you're entitled to your opinion, but in the end, God judge's, not me.

Kinda like how religious people deny Biology when it comes to the fact of evolution? Like that? because we have a lot more physical evidence of biology and evolution compared to a invisible sky buddy snapping it's fingers..

So you are agreeing about the denying science?
Regardless, you are saying, "NO U," instead of making an argument or case for why it is not hypocritical and denying science to say a new human life does not come into existence at conception.
In terms of logic and rhetoric that is called Appeal to hypocrisy (Tu quoque fallacy.)

Not sure what you are reading I simply stated religious people LOVE the creature comforts of science provides while boo hooing it in regards to gods existence..They can't have it both way..lol

You are saying, "NO U," instead of making an argument or case for why it is not hypocritical and denying science to say a new human life does not come into existence at conception.
In terms of logic and rhetoric that is called Appeal to hypocrisy (Tu quoque).

As for speaking on what is in the bible, do you have chapter and verse for that? If not, your statement has no credibility with any critically thinking person regardless of religious beliefs or lack thereof.
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