If Regressives really cared about kids, they'd build the wall. And get rid of Planned Parenthood, but that's another meme ...

Nope but it's a crime to sneak illegally into a country to which you hold no citizenship.

At least they are doing it peacefully compared to our European ancestors.

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Um, wOt?

doesn’t alter the fact of today. And these migrants being peaceful.

"most of them"
never all of them
That´s just not possible.

Well when you provide me video evidence of illegals walking up to points of entry or out in the desert with weaponry, armored vehicles etc and engaging our military and border patrol in fire fights? I'll stick with my statement..lol

interesting how specific your requirements are.

Yes they are specific. because more often than not things like this are not just black and white..Take Trumps comments on the Separating parents.. HE clearly lied and thats Black and White..Regarding the flow of illegals? cause and effect will vary..

The problems with illegals is not black and white.

Human and child traficing is a problem.
Most problems with illegals are not at the border.
Drugs. Thievery. Murder.

I like open borders but I can not turn a blind eye on the negatives. If we/they can stop the problematic illegals. Then the puplic eye on the illegals inside the borders gets better.
BUT the best thing would be if there were only legal immigrants. Illegal immigrants are forced by their illegal status to work hidden from the law. That causes more trouble.

I think I just said that it’s not a black n White issue regarding immigration. As for the minor issue of criminal illegal immigrants? Putting aside drugs because they are only supplying the demand of American drug users who come in all ages and races. Up to the wealthy. Murder? Drug cartels, runners, on the dealer on the street? They don’t force anyone to by the product. As for OIS? They happen due to corrupt and unconstitutional laws that create criminals. Ponder it. Government creates a problem where it did not exist then needs your taxes to fix it. The drug war was lost before it began only wasting billions and tossing away good lives of LE and others. The odds of you being killed by a stranger are slim to none. Yes there are sex traffickers so dehumanize all immigrants and their children? Never voted so being a libturd is off the table. Lol

It's not even like sneaking, some of the tunnels are over 100 years old

So I guess you're going to be quiet now? Or do you only believe news from MS13NBC? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/border-patrol-agent-shooting-update-today-2018-06-13/

No not really..You are comparing apples to oranges. A drug runner is not attempting to enter to actually live here and find a better life. A drug runner is doing so to supply the demand of American drug habits..Maybe something got lost in translation. a singular shooting is unfortunate but a fire fight does make. Even the drug runner does not actual thrive on conflict. criminals and so called "criminals" tend to try and avoid contact with LE..My statement clearly said crossing and purposely engaging government agents..PURPOSELY But since the text of my post doesn't fit your agenda you discard the things that don't support or defeat your views...BTW? Ive never voted democrat and i say that because so many on the right seem to think every right winger should hold the exact same opinion. if not? they are a libtard..lolol

It's also about changing the voter base. Remember, if you can't change the voter's mind, just change the voter.

Could you provide a actual valid source to the contents of such a bill? That demands sex traffickers and drug runners can't be arrested I WOULD LOVE TO READ THAT

"...actual valid source to the contents of such a bill..."
This usually means, "I'm going to judge what the source you supply says about the contents of the bill based on my political/moral biases, if I even read what that source has to say."

It is called the Keep Families Together Act. Every Democrat has co-sponsored it, no Republicans have.

If I give you centrist/moderate or right of center news sources who will point out the negative aspects and consequences of the bill, depending on your political biases you my say something like, "Those are right wing sources, how can I trust that!?"

If you are so inclined, you can do the intellectually honest thing and take the name of the bill and find various sources to explain the contents of the bill.

I would suggest reading multiple sources and not being like the average person on the internet and staying in a political/social/moral bubble and comfort zone and only listening to or reading sources that only talk about either the beneficial or negative consequences of proposed legislation.

Not even a good effort at a logical fallacy.

I'm not sure you even know how to articulate when someone uses a logical fallacy.
If it is "not...a logical fallacy" that means it is logical.

Since I never told you to disprove my statement I did not commit a "burden of proof fallacy."

Me telling you the name of the bill and suggesting that you find your own sources concerning the contents goes right along with your requests of "...actual valid sources..." Instead of my giving you the sources that talk about criminal illegal aliens not being detained and investigated properly, I suggested you go and find them yourself. That is perfectly logical.

BUT everyone reading this knows you are not going to go do that...

If you want here is the entire text of the bill, enjoy. (You are not going to read this either...)
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/3036/text

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All I see is irony when you post that

you're a f**kin bot! BOOO

Gotta love those democrats !

Without the will of our more progressive/liberal ancestors pushing for human progress against the tides of religious caliphates such as Christianity, Islam, and judaism etc. There would be NO scientific method. Funny thing though? Today? Christians and other religions LOVE all the creature comforts and weapons the scientific method has created "until" it's applied to the existence of their false deities..lol then it becomes hogwash..

Oh come on, if we can't pick on everyone it's prejudice.

Because those on the right keep perpetuating the lie that separating a family is a "LAW" when it isn't..It's only a policy in how to enforce a law..

Who's saying it's a law? I've never heard a single "right" say it's a law. The only time I hear about it being a law is when the left accuses the right of believing it's a law. It's ludicrous.

Every one who's paying attention to this immigration thing knows it's just a policy.

WOW...Your blatant bs??? You need to run for public office..No need to reply lol you clearly will deny and bury yourself in cognitive biases and logical fallacies until it kills you..You are almost as bad as the gal who told me Abortion wasn't a problem until Obama got elected...

Mind linking a little evidence to support your claim? No oblivious idiots off the sidewalk please. There's plenty of those to the left and the right.

I'm sure it's happened a few times but I'd say the vast majority already know and the ones that did say it have already learned otherwise. Like I said, I've never seen it said for myself but I do see liberal accusations all the time.

You've never seen it? never seen Trump claim it's a law they must separate kids?? Apparently you don't watch any news fox or otherwise,,

Ha! Nope! I get my current events from imgflip, fb, internet friends, and irl friends. If it's important, I'll hear about it.

I research the hot topics on my own. Whenever I do see news it's usually the liberal stuff apple pushes with their news app. I get very little right leaning news in my direction, believe it or not.

Any family that crosses thousands of miles of desert to come here I'll personally encore for citizenship. I mean which desert and why cross it? Anyways, keep the faith on the wall... Murica!

Guatemala is 2000+ miles from California. Central Mexican Matorral, Sonora Desert, Chihuahua Desert, Baja Desert, Yuma Desert, etc.

I love how some people still think a wall would do anything other than cost money.

The wall will slow the flow of illegal immigration and give the system a chance to process the detained illegal immigrants.

You're right, where there's a will there's a way. People will still get in. People with weaker wills will be dissuaded from entering. The very act of Trump getting elected decreased the flow of illegals. It's a mental thing. The wall will work exactly as it's supposed to. It is a dam to control the flow, not a barrier.

The reason illegal immigration is a "crisis" is because they are coming into the country faster than they can be processed in accordance with our laws. This means people get stuck in detention centers for a very long time and that is the real problem. Overly long "prison" times. If the load on the system was lower then the illegals could be processed in weeks instead of months or years. No more prison.

The money to build the wall would be well spent. It would provide jobs and contribute to the alleviation of the suffering of our currently detained illegal immigrants. Don't take a negative outlook without weighing the positive side.

You lie.

Show me your facts and I'll show you mine :)

I've got um lined up for you :D
Even the liberal media admits it!

Don't let me stop you, go ahead.

- Oh, that's right, you didn't because you can't.

Nice to see you borrow the "lie" observation from me.

Sad.

to save myself some time copy and paste this into google:

was there a decrease in illegal immigration when trump got elected

To save Google time for lying for you?

You may be right but spike in march isn't a trend and that isn't a very useful graph. It leaves out a big chunk of time. I was wondering why a graph like that would even be used anywhere but then I realized it must be because it's from the LATimes and they liked the way those months looked. Their BS is strong. I find it funny that you're doing exactly what they did and cherry picking your timeframe to support your argument.

My statement earlier was about how all it took was Trump getting elected for immigration to slow down. The unedited graph I posted supports my claim that there is a mental barrier as well as the physical ones. Just the thought of evil Trump waiting on the other side of the border was enough to keep some people from coming over. Imagine adding a wall to the equation.

I'm not always right, but I don't intentionally lie to mislead people. I'm neither wrong, nor am I lying in this case :)

You lie too much.

PS: Again, didn't read your drivel past the 1st line.

cool that graph is like mine but missing a year and with less information and clarity!

HA!

I Just did the math. In '17 the average Southern Border Crossings over those six months was over 32,000. In '18 the average Southern Border Crossings for those six months were only 29,000.

The LA times just posted a misleading picture and flat out lied about the increase. The optical illusion of the decrease in '17 fooled me too for a minute there. That's too funny!

Why is it that stupid people lie so much? Oh, that's right, because they're stupid and they lie.

Note, the rise in rates continues, but you have to wait a couple before cute charts for those who can't read covering April, May, June... come out.

Oh I have no doubt it began to increase. Once again, the statement I made was that illegal immigration decreased due to the simple fact that Trump got elected because that affected the moral and psyche of potential illegal immigrants.

This graph, along with every other graph you've posted with the correct timeframe, also clearly supports my statement.

lol

Save yourself some time, of course.

You lie too much.

Refer to my other comment. There may have been an increase in the past three months, but my statement holds true. The very act of Trump becoming president scared off potential immigrants. The graph covering 30 months as opposed to your six, and even three most recent months, speaks for itself. My statement is true. Perhaps the initial shock has died down and they're getting braver again. Please address your comments to my other response.

I'm done.

Thanks for playing have another beer pass out guy goodnight

Goodnight and thank you! It's been extra fun today. I had a good time hollering at brick walls on imgflip.

Give it up already. You've, I mean, VagabondSouffle has already posted enough graphs that support my claim. This graph is too broad and doesn't even show the useful timeframes clearly. It's not even relevant. Mexicans vs Non Mexicans? That's got nothing to do with anything I said.

You tease me for being "young" but at least my old public school reading and math comprehension skills are still intact!

they all show immigration is at all time lows and not a problem, just another made up fake crises for the wall and gun nuts

That they went from over one million p/yr when GW Bush was in office to less than half during Obama's tenure and continued the same trajectory till this year with Trump bypassed this illiterate bunghole Grind's comprehension skills . Plus he ran out of fingers to count on.

And they all show a clear and sudden decrease when Trump was elected. Exactly what I said in my original statement.

I'm not disputing the rises or decreases in other areas. I'm defending my claim that is, and at this point should clearly be, indisputable.

You even admitted that the numbers increased this year, as they continue to do.

Stop acting stupid, you're too good at it.