The Catch-22 of finding proof of that God exists.

The Catch-22 of finding proof of that God exists. | God will only be evident to those that have faith. Those that seek proof will never find it because the very need for proof fosters doubt. T | image tagged in memes,jesus,god,acim,atheism,belief | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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IT’S VERY USEFUL FOR MANY OF US | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
I like this one ;)
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But Thats None Of My Business Meme | If you want to avoid punishment for your wrongs accepting Jesus’ punishment in your stead is very beneficial - forever. | image tagged in memes,but thats none of my business,kermit the frog | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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GOD.... PLEASE HELP OUR GENERATION | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Captain Picard Facepalm Meme | IF THAT IS HOW THEY FIND PROOF THEN ONLY GOD CAN HELP THEM | image tagged in memes,captain picard facepalm | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
lol
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Waiting for the Atheists to weigh in...LOL
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I'm an atheist, and I'm ok with religion. I see religion as a philosophy that teaches about fellowship in others. I do hope there is an afterlife, I just don't believe there is one. I have been a Catholic for 40+ years, I just had a change of heart. If you hate me because of this, you haven't really know me. As for atheist that put religion down, I don't speak for them. I would never ridicule someone's beliefs. FSM, I know is a mockery of religion. I see it as being funny, not making fun of one's religion. Take it as it is. Sorry Raydog for replying on your comment, just happens that you said what I would say.
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I don't have a problem with either or...I'm pretty much on the fence myself...neutral as it were...I just know how people are and there's always someone that has to open there mouth and be an asshole about it...not saying you are, but you know what I mean...No apology necessary Bro
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I just had let people know where I stand. Should just keep my mouth shut. I think I'm getting drug into a political string on another page (not the Columbus one). I think if I get a reply, I'm not responding. No sense on getting the last word in, it never will end. And thanks for the reply.
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Everybody that knows me around here knows that I don't usually post memes or even reply to memes about religion, politics or most touchy subjects...and when I do, I never get dragged into arguments...people are too touchy, and when you can hide behind the internet, it's easy to just go apeshit on somebody over nothing...who needs that stupid shit?
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I do like making fun of current topics, like Hillary's book was at the time. But you are right on with what to do. I'm trying to keep cool. I know there could be something between us that we don't agree on. There is always differences. We are good, and I want to keep it that way. :)
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I'm easy to get along with...
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Lol
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So it was your garbage i deescalated. Charming.
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you say your an atheist but the last person i saw that said they were an atheist do you know what i said, i asked them if they believed they would fall if they jumped off a cliff, and they said yes, and you know what i should have said to them, then if you can believe what a scientist tells you then you can believe what a historically accurate book written by dozens of eyewitnesses tell you and believe that jesus will be there to catch you at the bottom
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Every person is free to believe what they want. But they should realize two things:
1. If their beliefs are absurd (like Scientologists), they can expect mockery. That's where I come in.
2. If they try to use their beliefs to pass laws or rules which negatively impact people of other belief systems, they can expect resistance. That's also where I come in.
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The hypocrisy Nd pseudo intellect ofb Octavia melody continues.
Octavia doesn't worship God or believe his rules should apply. He choses to worship government and have their globalist rules apply.
This is why I praise Kek.
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I don't worship God, that's true. I also don't feel the rules of the Bible or Koran should be enforced in our society. But I don't worship government, either.
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I think the actual word is Qur'an. Eh.
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The meme above is how you
You're a pussy when it comes to atheism. You let the sjw side of you take over.
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Its true
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Calling me names doesn't help your argument. At any rate, I stick up for nonviolent Muslims. I criticize the violent ones. And I don't degrade every pro-Christian meme. In fact, I upvote quite a few of them.

I focus more on Christianity than Islam because that's what I encounter on a more frequent basis. Do Islamic teachings deserve criticism? Of course. Is every Muslim a horrible violent person? Of course not.
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That's fake news bro.
You're such a manipulating asshole to people.
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I don't manipulate people
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Sure you do. I see it all the time.
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You never would have it I didn't make that meme.
Plus the meme is super true because if it's antiislam you always stick up for them, but if it's pro Christian you always degrade it. Never have you scrutinized islam. You're a sjw desguised as a fake atheist pussy.
Case closed
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That's fine by me. Save all the conversations you want. I stand by my contention that I don't manipulate people.
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Fine. That's fine.
I will. Every one.
I'll save these ones right here to show you I'm cereal.
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Example?
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I'll start saving conversations all I couldn't give you anything you couldn't just deny as lack of physical proof.
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But I know the type you're referring to. lol
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It is all up to us where we turn our hearts and mind. :)
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All religious debate aside, you can believe 1 of 2 things.

Genesis 1:1 - or- A million scientists with as many theories that change every 5 minutes.

My job is to live my life so others will want what Faith I have.
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Not only are those two not the only possible options, but the main difference between science and the Bible is that science demands proof for claims. The Bible only demands faith.
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But, there is nothing in the bible that has ever been disproved by science. Whereas science can't decide if a rock is 1,000,000 years old or 1,000,0000,000 years old. Not enough proof for me to put faith in 'all' science. You still need a lot of faith, in this case faith in science, to believe - say- evolution. Like I said though - in the end- I live my life to show others my faith.
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The Bible contains many statements that have been disproven by science. It says the Earth existed before the Sun. That's false. It says if livestock mate in front of a striped stick, they'll produce striped offspring (Jacob did this in Genesis). That's false. It says the sun can stand still for a whole day. That's false. The only way to say the Bible contains no scientific errors is to attribute all of these occurrences to miracles, which is essentially attributing them to magic.
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I'm here to meme, not discuss the Bible and science. So rather than waste my time looking up sources I've researched- read about - studied, etc only for only you to do the same, I'm gonna leave this here as a "Neither one of us will change each others mind" moment and move on. I value too many people/memers on here to get into debates about politics or our faith. We've both been here long enough to see how those end up brother!
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Fair enough. At least we can be civil and respectful toward each other in the process :)
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Nicely put.
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yep :)
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Awww, so cute:)
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Most gracious and loving God,
Come to us now as our loving parent,
teaching us what we need to know,
showing us the way to salvation,
so that we may continue to grow in You,
and learn about Your awesome ways,
with our hope secured fully in Your blessings
for the sake of Your children,
sinners in need of purification,
through Jesus Christ in fellowship with the Holy Spirit,
Amen.
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I'm actually more spiritual than religious. :)
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I’ll take my chances on faith.
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I'll take my chances on atheism :)
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Nope, I haven’t lost anything. Do you think you’ve lost something when you give to charity? Or maybe you don’t give charity since that’s kind of a God-like thing.
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Donating to charity is different than giving to a local church. I was referring specifically to tithing.

How is charity a "God-like thing"? So only people who believe in God donate to charity? Do you realize how silly that sounds?
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Donating to a church IS donating to charity. This includes tithing. But money is not the only way the faithful donate to churches. Countless hours of unpaid service is given every week — especially at churches with non paid ministries. And a lot of time and money is donated to the local community via organized religious service projects. In fact, several church congregations are doing community service projects tomorrow where I live.
As for charity being God-like, yes, it is the core of most religions. The concept of charity, AKA love to your fellow man, has been taught by God since the beginning of time. Most of our laws are based on principals taught by God, such as murder, theft, trespassing, modesty, etc. So, even though you don’t believe in God, you’re still following his teachings by being charitable to others.
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1. Non-religious people can and do commit acts of charity, volunteer in their communities, etc. It does not belong exclusively to the religious.

2. The core of most religions is the individuals' relationship to their respective god or gods, expressed through various means of worship. Charity factors in to many religions, but I wouldn't call it the core.

3. Our laws do not come from God's teachings. Those concepts (not murdering, stealing, etc) predate the Bible and exist in pretty much every human society around the planet. Just because they are IN the Bible does not mean they BEGAN in the Bible.
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1. I never said charitable donations belong exclusively to the religious.

2. An individual’s relationship to God and worshiping him means living by His teachings. For example, a Christian hasn’t really accepted Christ as their savior if they blatantly disobey his commandments and refuse to follow his example.

3. Have you even read the Bible? The book of Genesis begins with the creation of the earth . . . before mankind existed. So, yes, the concepts DID begin during the time recorded in the Bible.
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Your earlier comment strongly implied that non-religious people are less likely to give to charity.

I haven't read the entire Bible, but I have read parts of it.

I don't think I understand your point. The prohibition against murder is in the Bible. But it did not originate there. Other cultures who existed before the Bible was written also had prohibitions against murder.
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“Or maybe you don’t give charity since that’s kind of a God-like thing“ was a tongue-in-cheek remark. Sorry you took it so seriously.
The concepts in the Bible were taught before it was “written”. People didn’t start adhearing to God’s teachings after they were put in text.
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I didn't realize it was tongue-in-cheek. It sounded sincere. Based on some users here, I can never really tell. Thank you for explaining.
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No problem. And God bless :)
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Until one can find actual proof that there is a god, I'll take my chances on atheism.
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As the original meme points out, you’ll never find “proof” of God without faith in God. For example, the earth, humans, animals, the sun and moon — all evidence of God’s intelligent design. But non believers chalk it up to a random chance Big Bang event that just kind of happened where nothingness eventually turned into innumerable galaxies. When you think about it, it takes a lot more faith in science to even believe that the planet earth just randomly ended up at in as the right size and the exact orbit around the sun, with the necessary tilt, and the moon’s orbit around earth to keep earth’s orbit stable, and all the elements necessary to sustain life as it does. And that doesn’t include the intricacies of human anatomy that supposedly evolved by chance from primal ooze. At least the belief in intelligent design is backed up by documented evidence. Where as what’s taught in school is based on theory that cannot possibly be proven. So since we can’t prove the Big Bang theory, I guess you can’t believe in that either :)
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What is the "documented evidence" for a supernatural entity creating life on this planet? I assume you mean documented by scientists?
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The earth, humans, animals, the sun and moon aren't really evidence of God's intelligent design. For example, if God did intend for the whole universe to be for humans, then he'd make outer space more inhabitable, probably make the sun less hot, but He'd ought to start out with the oceans and remove the jellyfish first.

The planet orbits around the sun because of the gravity that pulls the earth towards the sun, as goes with the other planets. Gravity is created via quantum particles spread throughout the universe called gravitons. Quantum particles are observed through several experiments. As a result, it takes far less faith to believe in the creation of the universe through science than it does to believe a giant man in the sky created the world for man, as faith, by definition, is based on religious influence rather than proof.
In fact, the whole universe is far larger and more beautiful than just the the solar system we're use to seeing in the skies at night. The solar system is only one small system in the galaxy that is called the Milky Way. In this galaxy, many other planets could support life the way ours does. Even beyond the complex Milky Way, there are even more galaxies that could hold systems where the planets could support life... what am I talking about, I love this kind of stuff...

As for the Big Bang, the theory suggests that the universe is still expanding, which may be a bit of a stress. The Theory is often disproven, but not through the Bible. Several arguments against the theory involve the universe needing less of the dubbed "dark energy" to expand, or less dark matter, and there are other theories that people look into that challenge the Big Band, along with religious doctrines about how the world was created, Bible included.
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Let me ask you this. Are we fully evolved? Is there any evidence that we will eventually evolve into another species/family classification? Better yet, is there any signs that we are going to become a common ancestor to 2 or more different classifications of beings? Is there evidence of any of this for any creature today? In other words, where is the observable evidence that evolution can take place beyond diversification?

Or how about this. How will scientist know the exact conditions of the singularity the moment before it started to expand and cause the big bang? What evidence is there on how long the singularity existed before it started to expand? If it didn't always exist, how did it form in a vast emptiness of nothingness where nothing exists just before it started to expand?

How is it easier to believe that everything came into existence through 100% pure random chaotic chance, rather than being designed by an intelligent being that exists outside of our space and time? If you are capable of believing in theories that only have evidence of what has been observed and not of what wasn't observed, then why is it harder to believe in someone that actually caused the events that we have been observing?

BTW, no where in the Bible does it state that God created the whole universe for humans. If God was to make the sun less hot, this planet wouldn't be able to survive and we would all die. If you want to talk about what is more believable, then answer this. Which is more believable, that the sun started off at a very low or very high temperature and stabilized on its own at the current temperature while at the same time creating the perfect gravitational pull to keep every planet exactly where it needs to be at while also every planet creating its own gravitational pull to not only put moons exactly where they need to be at but not to attract other planets to move out of their orbit and crash into each other destroying the galaxy if not universe, or an all knowing being creating and placing everything exactly where it needs to be at in order for the galaxy to survive but for this planet to also be able to sustain life?
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1. Your claim that scientists believe everything came into being through "100% pure random chaotic chance" is not accurate. Just because science doesn't point to a supernatural cause for things, that doesn't mean everything is random and chaotic. Natural processes can affect and guide things.

2. Planets and other objects don't create their own gravity. Gravity is a force that exists, and how much gravity an object has depends on its mass.

3. Planets are not exactly where they need to be. They just happen to be where they are.

4. It doesn't matter which is more believable. What matters is what the evidence shows. Something isn't false just because it may be hard to believe.

5. Science cannot prove or disprove anything outside of nature. If a supernatural being exists, science doesn't say anything about it.
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I am going to keep this as simple as possible.

1) Natural processes can affect the same types of creatures in different ways. This is how we have natural diversification within family classifications and not ever creature of the same family classification is the same. This means the affects from natural processes are random. And with all off the affects not always being beneficial to each creature, causing many to die off because the affects cause them not to be able to survive (survival of the fittest) the affects are also chaotic. Natural processes have no intelligence and therefore cannot determine specifically what changes will actually take place. However we have gained the intelligence to breed animals in certain ways to achieve a specific outcome with the offspring (selective breeding). For the most part it is controlled, although natural processes still jump in so there are still random and chaotic outcomes at times.

2) So depending on the mass of the planet determines the amount of gravity it has? So if a planet was to change in mass, its gravity would also change. Sounds to me like it still does in a way create its own gravity based off of its mass.

3) Actually if 1 planet was to move out of it orbital loop, it would throw all the other planets off causing the destruction of the galaxy. http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/what-if/what-if-earth-changed-its-orbit.htm
So yes every planet is exactly where it needs to be at.

4&5) If you think about it, the amount of evidence missing from big bang and evolution is the same amount of evidence you claim is missing for the existence of God. Like you said, science cannot prove anything beyond what it is able to observe or use our 5 senses on. So besides applying this to a supernatural being, it can also be applied to big bang and evolution. We cannot observe the beginning stages of big bang nor any of the stages in evolution that goes beyond the point of diversification within the family classification. Science can only say that it appears these events took place, but with no evidence supporting how or why they took place. But yet people like you are willing to believe these theories to be fact, that they happened with no supernatural beings influence. How and why? Why is it not more probable that there was a supernatural being that caused the events to take place? Why does it have to be that they happened on their own through 100% pure random chaotic chance?
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3) If Earth moved out of its orbit, it would risk colliding with other planets in our solar system. That is not the same as destroying the entire galaxy

4&5) Believing a supernatural being caused events in our physical universe to take place is not probable, because the very existence of such beings has never been proven.
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3) How do you know what the full extent would be? Has science ever observed this happening in another galaxy? It would be just a risk of colliding with another planet, but an inevitable event. The collision would also cause the other planet to go off course, leading to collisions with other planets and eventually the sun. So there is no telling how far beyond just our 8 planets (sorry Pluto) the destruction would go.

4&5) Believing that it was caused by a singularity of unknown origin is just as improbable as there is no evidence to the existence of this singularity, what exactly it was composed of, what caused it to expand, or anything else. And once again, science cannot explore what exists outside of our known space and time, which then would also include the supposed singularity.
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According to RationalWiki, gravitons are still only hypothetical :o

Particle physics isn't something I know much of anything about, though :)
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Same..
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If you think the Bible teaches that God made the universe to be inhabited by man, no wonder you’re confused. I was simply pointing out a few evidences related to the earth. I know how gravity works. I just don’t think the fact that Earth being the size it is, it’s orbit, amount of water and other elements, etc all happened by chance. I believe it was by design and some of the creation process is mentioned in scripture.

Science doesn’t disprove the existence of God. The observations of science are the result of the creation. The Bible talks about the God of this world. The God of the Bible probably created other worlds too and there might be other Gods who created other worlds. Maybe that’s why the universe continues to expand. There’s a lot we don’t know or understand and probably will never understand until we pass through the afterlife. Eternity is a long time and I don’t think we’ll all just be angels sitting on clouds strumming harps after death.
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I may be a bit confused. I just assumed that many individuals among here believed that God made the world for them. However, what's to say that God's created Heaven and Hell for humans alone? There could be aliens in Hell for mistreating their planet. That's what I'm going for.

Where does it say in the science books that Earth, its orbit, and life happened by chance?
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If it didn’t happen by design, how else would it happen?
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By science.
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It is impossible to say that science created everything until science can explain every step in how it happened and allow us to repeat the process. By stating science created everything without know how exactly that happened, how is that any different than stating it was God?
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Oh, so God didn’t create the universe. Science did.
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"Giant man in the sky? No wonder you don’t believe in God."
What is God like?

"The Bible isn’t the only method he communicates to us. In fact it’s just a record of some of the teachings and history written by ancient prophets and seers (or their scribes). "
Teachings written by historical figures whom scientists have validated don't exist.

"But the most common way He communicates with us is via prayer and personal revelation. "
How does he message back, then? In prayer, one person messages to another and the other doesn't reply. Think of all of the children in Ethiopia who have prayed and prayed forever to have merely a bit to eat.

"So if you really want to know if God exists, try studying scriptures, attending a few different worship services and get on your knees and pray — asking Him to help you know of his existence. "
Some Christians have actually done some of that, but they end up learning that God isn't speaking to them back, which ends up converting them to atheism, or agnosticism to say the least.

"Or you can put your faith in Science only."
Science doesn't require faith, it requires evidence.

"But the more you know about the biblical creation, the more evident it will be that it doesn’t contradict science but, rather, helps explain what science can’t."
Science can easily explain evolution, but the Bible claims evolution didn't happen.
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What’s god like? We were made in his image - in other words he’s human but perfected. He is either one being manifested as three (the Father, Son and Holy Ghost) or a godhead consisting of three separate beings, depending on if you go along with the decision made by the Nicene Creed or not. Sorry but I can’t explain the nature of God to you in an Internet post. That’s one thing you can study and ask him yourself.

And how exactly did Scientists validate these people don’t exist? Because they’re dead now? Science couldn’t possibly prove none of them ever existed.

Answer to prayer is most often described as a kind of burning sensation or a strong, comforting feeling. Some people have actually heard a voice. It depends on your humility and state of mind. But it’s something you have to experience to understand. It’s kind of like explaining what salt tastes like to someone who has never tasted salt before. The feeling is done through his spirit — Holy Ghost. But even if God sent messengers to your house to tell you all about him, chances are you would just dismiss them just likeso many people who talked directly with Jesus Christ himself and rejected him and his teachings.

Some Christians have felt God’s spirit but later fall away, usually due falling into temptations from the adversary — AKA, Satan or the devil. And that’s a whole other discussion.

To believe scientific theories such as The Big Bang requires a lot of faith. Faith in the evidence supporting the theory. Faith that the unexplained can somehow be explained. Faith in the studies and conclusions or other scientists that other theories are based on. So much of science is just hypothesizes that can’t be proven, just like the existence of God can’t be proven or disproven. Scientists may not call it “faith” but that’s exactly what it is.

And evaluation is yet another theory. Sure, science can explain it, just like religion can explain creationism.
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"What’s god like? We were made in his image - in other words he’s human but perfected."
How is he perfected, as there are several different definitions of perfect to every perception in the world?

"And how exactly did Scientists validate these people don’t exist? Because they’re dead now? Science couldn’t possibly prove none of them ever existed."
Apart from scanning for DNA patterns that match the appearance of those described in the Bible. Jesus was found, but he was revealed to be a Middle Eastern, not white, as he is depicted. Someone a conservative from America wouldn't sit next to on an airplane.

"Answer to prayer is most often described as a kind of burning sensation or a strong, comforting feeling. Some people have actually heard a voice. It depends on your humility and state of mind."
Have they heard a voice, or is there proof that they've heard a voice?

"But even if God sent messengers to your house to tell you all about him, chances are you would just dismiss them just likeso many people who talked directly with Jesus Christ himself and rejected him and his teachings."
The reason I've rejected people who call themselves "God's messengers" is because there is a likely chance they're really after money.
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"Some Christians have felt God’s spirit but later fall away, usually due falling into temptations from the adversary — AKA, Satan or the devil. And that’s a whole other discussion."
I've never had temptations from Satan as far as I can remember, and I also doubt any atheist who was a Christian had any temptation from Satan. For all I know, Satan is the default setting of blame among humans, and the former Christians who became atheists gave up more than they were given.

"To believe scientific theories such as The Big Bang requires a lot of faith. Faith in the evidence supporting the theory. Faith that the unexplained can somehow be explained. Faith in the studies and conclusions or other scientists that other theories are based on. So much of science is just hypothesizes that can’t be proven, just like the existence of God can’t be proven or disproven. Scientists may not call it “faith” but that’s exactly what it is."
Faith is different from truthful understanding. The Big Bang theory can be proven, but it is controversial scientifically speaking.
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We don't know how the universe was really created, that's why the BBT (Big Bang Theory) might be a bit of a stretch. However, what's also a stretch is assuming a giant man in the sky who's only method of communication to his people is through a stone-age book created the world. That's why we have scientists out there to look for evidence that he actually exists. Why doesn't God tell them already?
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Giant man in the sky? No wonder you don’t believe in God. The Bible isn’t the only method he communicates to us. In fact it’s just a record of some of the teachings and history written by ancient prophets and seers (or their scribes). Some Christian sects believe there are other books or scripture besides the Bible that contain writings by God’s prophets. And others believe He has prophets and seers who carry on His work on earth today. But the most common way He communicates with us is via prayer and personal revelation. So if you really want to know if God exists, try studying scriptures, attending a few different worship services and get on your knees and pray — asking Him to help you know of his existence. If you’re sincere and really want to know, you will. That’s how the rest of us believers gained our faith. Most of us didn’t just wander into a church one day and come out a believer. It took study, prayer and faith to come to that knowledge.
Or you can put your faith in Science only. But the more you know about the biblical creation, the more evident it will be that it doesn’t contradict science but, rather, helps explain what science can’t.
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One Meme, One Family <3
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:)
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False on so many levels.
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How so?
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Thanks for wasting my time on a usless set of belifes that don't do anything
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Awww you’re a waste of space and that’s sad.
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No problem brother god we trust the rest we let lay
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That’s right
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Seek and Ye Shall Find
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Debating on the merits of science and religion is one thing. Let everyone believe their own thing and practice what they want. We'll only know for sure when we take a dirt nap.

What annoys me is any belief being forced down anyone's throat. Just yesterday I told off another atheist on this site who was also too dumb to see I was even agreeing with him...lol.

I grew up Christian but stopped believing. I'm only working a 10 hour shift so I don't have time to explain why I stopped believing! LOL

Cheers to those who state their beliefs and don't flip their lid when someone disagrees with them!
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Lots of people are here for different reasons and some of those reason include getting butthurt. lol :)
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I think that is just part of the English language. lol
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the existance of god is both false and true until such proof is provided to difinitivley say whether or not he exists, so really its up in the air at the moment
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The very act of seeking proof is self defeating. You've to believe before you can find Him. That is what the meme is saying. :)
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i aint seeking proof im waiting for IT to come to ME
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That is still seeking but passively. :)
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if he exists i want to know, not only that i'd like to know what he wants from us
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God does exists. All He wanted is to give us His love but we must give our love to Him first in order to receive it. It is only by loving Him first that we re-open the channels to let His love flow through. The choice is always ours.
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even if he does exist there isnt any proof whatsoever OF his desires for us, if any, who knows he may not even know we exist
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You have to believe in God before you can find him? That's completely self-fulfilling. Is there any other area of your life where you use that line of reasoning?

"Give me one hundred dollars"
"No. I don't trust you"
"No, you don't understand. You have to give me the hundred dollars, THEN you will trust me."
"Wat..."
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You do that too, but not in the examples you've given. This is commonly referred to as confidence or self-belief. You had to have some degree of belief in your abilities before you attempt anything. Each time you submit a meme you would have believed it satisfies the purpose for which you created it for, even though you've no evidence that is the case until much later when the meme is seen by your target audience.

Faith is at work everywhere whether you acknowledge it or not. The very fact that you replied to my comment implies:

1) you believe I'd receive the reply.
2) you believe I'd understand what you're saying.
3) you believe I'd also reply

If you didn't believe in all of these you wouldn't have bothered replying. But you don't know that any of your beliefs are true until after you've received and read my reply. You might think that you've a basis for your beliefs because of past evidence, but we know what happens to the turkey on Thanksgiving after it had been well fed everyday of the year until then.

You are also acting on faith every time you make an assumption or hoping for something to happen or not happen.

Everyone acts on faith whether they acknowledge it as such or not.
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There are different kinds of faith. When I send you a message and have "faith" that you will reply, that is an informed faith based on reliable past experience. If I jump off a twenty-story building and have "faith" that I'll float safely to the ground, that's not informed faith because it's not based on any reliable past experience, or even common sense. Do I use faith in my everyday life? Technically yes, but it's not unjustified faith. And it's not faith *before* evidence, as your earlier comment seems to imply. It's faith based on evidence.

Replace "God" with "magic pixies". Would your argument still hold water? What if I said you have to believe in magic pixies before you can see them? Would you believe me, or would you think that sounds nuts?
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Jumping of a building is madness regardless of what you believe in. :)

Every turkey have reliable experience that they'll live for another day everyday and all that is true until Thanksgiving happens. My point is that past experience is _not_ reliable, we only make ourselves believe that it is.

I might have a habit or good track record of replying. But that is entirely meaningless if I get run over by a bus or maybe even a truck that you happen to be driving. :)

There are too many variables at work. Past data or experience is over rated or the world would be predictable and we wouldn't have Black Swan events like stock market crashes.

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God is not something you see. He is an experience. He is the peace that transcends understanding. He can not be substituted for magic pixies, unicorns, top of front page memes, matrix icons or even ponies. :)

It is the peace of God that I want. That is my one and only reason for believing in Him. So it is no big leap of faith or such. In fact is it is the easiest and most natural thing to do. Much easier than even making a proper meme. :)
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I had to check Wikipedia for "black swan event" lol

I would also add that past experience is reliable, but not perfect.
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Which is my point. People are putting lots of faith in something that is "not perfect" everyday and they don't even realize it.

Faith is accorded in everything we do regardless if we believe in God or not. :)
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Jump off a building. Have faith God will save you. I'll be waiting at the bottom to take your watch and phone and any money you may have in your wallet.
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I am your God. Don't question it. Don't try to prove it. Just have faith. Oh..and send me some money..I'm a little short this month. Now don't deny me...that would be proof that you don't have faith.
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God doesn't need anything from us. He has everything. Those that make demands in the name of God does not speak for Him.
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He needs your worship. If he didn't he would not threaten to send you to Hell forever for withholding it.
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God is perfect and so must be free from wants or needs or He would be imperfect. He doesn't need our worship or anything else from us, but we do need His love and the only way we can get His love is by giving our love to Him first. It is by us loving Him that we invite Him back into our hearts and minds.

God does not condemn. It is we that condemn ourselves to hell by choosing against Him. Hell is nothing by distance from God, and that distance can be closed by choosing His love. The choice is always ours for He created us with free will.

There are lot of misinformation floating about. Those that threaten in the name of God speak for their own fears more than for Him. If God is perfect love how can He threaten at all?

Hope that clarifies things. :)
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Ahhh the "Free-will" argument. If I tell your sister or daughter to blow me or I'll kill them I'm giving them a choice, right? If they make me kill them it's on them. imgflip.com/i/zbro9 but to your point..Yes, If God is perfect how can he threaten at all? Well, He does...NUMEROUS times in the Bible. So using your own logic his threats prove he is not perfect.
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1) God is not forcing you to do anything. Your example does not apply.

2) The bible is wrong in many places. God is perfect, any and all contradictions to that effect are simply false.
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When a parent scolds their child for doing something dangerous like playing with fire, is that “threatening” the child? No, it’s actually showing love and concern because the parent doesn’t want the child to hurt himself or others.
The, so called, threats in the Bible are really warnings and scoldings. We are God’s children and he knows better than us and wants us to be happy, just like you do with your own children.
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Yes, you have. Thank you for acknowledging it.
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