The only ice age that came starred a sabertooth squirrel and a sloth!

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I like discussing these topics but people seem to say something and then disappear

Imgflip's got a restriction for commenting. You're commenting too much, wait 187 seconds. That gets on my nerves. That's why I rarely comment, many times on a meme. :)

Yeah I get hit with that when I do the rounds (checking you, dash and a few others)

Creepy af

Mostly global warming.

Yes, I read OFA. Interesting stuff in there. The bad thing I'd, while a lot of the problems that upset nature are natural events, like volcanos, we also are a part of nature that can exacerbate it.

The Almanac got their reputation for accuracy because of a volcano that erupted in the Pacific in the early 1800s. It was later dubbed the year without summer. They stated in their predictions that it would snow in the US I. July and August. They were the laughingstocks of the nation because of that, and had to rush a revised printing of the almanac to the printer. When it started snowing that summer, they went from being laughingstocks to become the most trusted weather predictor ever.

Right now, there's an ice sheet in Antarctica ready to break off from its parent shelf. It's about the size of the state of Delaware. It'd be great if they could tow it to somewhere like LA, that could use a fresh water source

Very interesting, I haven't read the OFA but I'm always looking for a good read.

The Dalton Minimum occurred around 1796-1820 this would account for the drop in temperatures if one has faith in solar cycles and their impact on our weather systems.

I started reading it a few years back when I won a table at an auction. Good stuff, overall.

The key we have to look at, though, is how much do we actually contribute to climate change. Nature does a hell of a job as is. Remember when Mt St Helen blew in the early 80s? It messed with the el Nino/Nina system. Sunny warm spots were getting snow. Alaska was in the 50s that winter. Here in the great lakes region, it was a crap shoot. I live in a weather protected bubble. Chicago had blizzards. Indianapolis had blizzards, Toledo had blizzards. We had snow the night of Thanksgiving and no more until ground hogs day. Nights were bitter cold, but daytime temps were warm enough to go out in shirt sleeves and shorts.

I just don't want the US to revert to what it was. I remember the smog of Phoenix as I looked out if my office window in the 90s. It wasn't as bad as, say, Beijing, but I'd never seen the smog layer, and I'm from a former steel city. Compare pics of LA and NYC in 1965 to today.

I will certainly take a look at that.

We know approx 61% of fossil fuel emissions are carbon dioxide, even if we exaggerated our emissions in gigatonnes at let's say 10 GtC (gigatonnes of Carbon) we would be contributing less than 2% of Carbon into the atmospheric carbon mass. Natural events contribute approx 4%.

I am not an alarmist nor a denier I am sick of the exaggerated model projections and selective data used.

In 1991, the eruption of Pinatubo blessed us a nice spring instead of summer in 1992,,,

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No but some alarmists need to take into account the things they say hold water in the public eye and unless you're without you should probably keep it in your pants

Without doubt *

We're going through one now.

If you knew anything about science, you wouldn't be trying to use the old consensus to discredit the new one.

Nor vice versa.

1970s saw colder winters.
1990s saw hotter.
2000s saw colder yet again.
Hence why "Global Warming" became "Climate Change"

The new consensus always overturns the new one. The Earth is round, it goes around the sun, and it's not at the center of the universe.

And then another, and another. Knowledge (like climate), and the THEORIES crafted to understand it, is not static.

1970s - New Ice Age
1990s - Global Warming
2000s - Climate Change

Climate Change cannot be disputed because it has been occuring for over 15 billion years.

Earth is not at the center of the universe. But it is not only at the center of our universe, it IS our universe,,,

People, the weather changes on its own, though we don't need to trash the planet were living on, we don't need to discontinue fossil fuels either.

Dazzzer is right. There are some volcano explosions that changed the terperature of the whole planet. More than our cars do.

No need to discontinue them, afterall, our grandkids can dig up our bones to burn once the blood of dinosaurs is gone for good.

Even with that, not only will society revert to pre-industrial tech, so will populations, as billions starve.

If ya can't grow it, transport it, and fry it, ya can't eat it.