Creepy Condescending Wonka

All you need is an ID, to be a legal citizen, and not be a felon.

Exactly, I was wondering what laws he/she was referring to. Thought I missed something???? Lol

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/appeals-court-strikes-down-north-carolinas-voter-id-law/2016/07/29/810b5844-4f72-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html

“The new provisions target African Americans with almost surgical precision” and “impose cures for problems that did not exist,” Judge Diana Gribbon Motz wrote for the panel. “Thus the asserted justifications cannot and do not conceal the State’s true motivation.”

And ID's aren't that hard to come by...

NC is a big college state, a lot of the folks that come down here from out of state and don't know the law. A lot of folks down here are too poor to own a car, many of them black folks. Many have to take multiple jobs to make ends meet and don't have a lot of time to spend at the DMV. This problem is exacerbated among a lot of young single mothers. And in-person voter fraud by impersonation is less likely to happen in a state than a person being struck by lightning. Also, this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/appeals-court-strikes-down-north-carolinas-voter-id-law/2016/07/29/810b5844-4f72-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html

Ok, thanks for your reply. I don't know what it's like in NC, but I'm pretty sure that in voter ID states, the DMV issues you a ID for voting free of charge.

You think the North Carolina DMV is easy to get to if you have to take the bus or quick and easy to enter and leave? Oh boy you really ain't from North Carolina. I live in an actual city and my nearest DMV was out in the sticks, 30 mins away by car, and our public transportation ain't great (what a shock, I know) so it's a hella lot longer if you can't avoid a car. Also, the DMV in NC makes Flash (*spoilers* outside his car *end spoilers*) from Zootopia look like Flash from the Justice League. If you're working two jobs and/or have little kids to take care of, and a lot of poor people do (a lot of whom tend to be black), that can force them to take time off they can't afford or just give up their rights to vote for, again, something that's less likely to happen than someone getting hit with a lightning bolt. Also, beyond race, a lot of students that come here and want to stay and/or vote in NC don't realize they need to have a state photo ID, not just a photo ID from any state. So they come to the polls and find out they can't vote. For a problem so rare it's basically non-existent. And don't be like "Well it doesn't target blacks (and again, see the Fourth Circuit Appeals Court's ruling,) just poor people and students." That really won't help your case if you try and make that argument.

It's easier to register to vote than to get a cell phone!

Awfully long line I saw at the polls on primary day in NC, a lot of them were held back because they didn't have a state ID. If it's so easy, why then didn't so many folks have it?

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/appeals-court-strikes-down-north-carolinas-voter-id-law/2016/07/29/810b5844-4f72-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html

“The new provisions target African Americans with almost surgical precision” and “impose cures for problems that did not exist,” Judge Diana Gribbon Motz wrote for the panel. “Thus the asserted justifications cannot and do not conceal the State’s true motivation.”

Trying to find racism where there is none.

Oh really? Because the Fourth Circuit Appeals Court found plenty:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/appeals-court-strikes-down-north-carolinas-voter-id-law/2016/07/29/810b5844-4f72-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html

What laws make it harder for black voters to vote than any other class of voters?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/appeals-court-strikes-down-north-carolinas-voter-id-law/2016/07/29/810b5844-4f72-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html

The laws apply to all races, not just blacks. If Democrats feel blacks make up the majority of poor people who don't have proper photo ID, why don't they try to do something to get them out of that situation? Or at the very least, help them get proper photo ID? Instead, they seem content to make these people believe there is no hope of getting off welfare and, thus, need to support the Democratic Party which promises cradle-to-grave welfare rather than prosperity and independence.

Not targeting African-Americans? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/appeals-court-strikes-down-north-carolinas-voter-id-law/2016/07/29/810b5844-4f72-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html

“The new provisions target African Americans with almost surgical precision” ...Judge Diana Gribbon Motz wrote for the panel.

Learn to read, dude. And there's a case to be made for making getting photo IDs easier. Of course it will also take time, probably longer than just one election. In the meantime, it's disenfranchising voters. Especially poor, minority, and youth voters. And we are doing something to help them out of that situation...taking away bullshit racist laws for nonexistent problems. It's funny how it's the GOP that likes making voting a pain in the ass but it's us that's out there getting people registered and fighting for universal voter registration laws. What's the matter, democracy doesn't work for you when you can't win? Enjoy your oncoming donkey schlonging this November btw. http://www.kappit.com/img/pics/94031981aeddh.jpg

Lots of people just can't believe the truth of it, no matter what you say. That sucks. They make up their minds without all info, they keep repeating it with their buddies, and that settles it. How can they see something they won't believe anyway? Jesus did miracles & many explained it away or denied it. And worse. It makes me ill.

The truth of...what? That voter ID is real or the "Democrats keep blacks on welfare" nonsense. I just want to know if I'm going to upvote you or mock you.

I know what you're saying is logical & is experienced by very many people, and then outright denied by those who understand little. It pisses me off. I just had a real estate manager tell me that she really tries not to rent to minorities. I'm renting my house to move & she lost about $8000 worth of business with that statement. Glad I knew ahead of time. Just cause I'm white, she shouldn't have assumed that was my position. It really pissed me off. And that was in Oregon.

Oh I can read alright. It's an opinion of one judge - a 2nd judge after the first upheld the law. Even this judge said "... MOSTLY phantom election fraud ..." Which means even he knows there are already cases of voter fraud. So do we wait until it becomes rampant before doing something about it? Why not prevent it at all using the same methods we use to identify people for other things like driving or making a bank withdrawal. So you must think states that have motor voter laws disenfranchise black voters because they don't drive as much. Hillary clinton wants to put broadband Internet in every home because it has become a modern necessity. But she doesn't think it's just as important to get proper photo ID to poor voters?

Saying these laws disenfranchise black voters is a bogus argument. It's actually racist to imply that blacks are stereotyped as poor people who don't have drivers licenses or other photo IDs that require proper vetting to prevent fraud. The sad part is most people know this but refuse to admit it.

Nope sorry, voter fraud is rarer than lightning strikes hitting people: http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2016/apr/07/mark-pocan/which-happens-more-people-struck-lightning-or-peop/

I saw long-assed lines at my polling place of people held up for this bullshit. Also, if you don't know, the NC Supreme Court is packed with McCrory's toadies who would of course condone this horseshit, since it's the only thing that might let him keep his job after November. This is why we have higher courts, to get an opinion from judges that are less at risk of being Yes-Men for one single state government, so we can get another opinion to need be. And how the f**k do you think something rarer than being hit by lightning is going to have a plausible risk of effecting anything larger than a city council election? If that.

Ya'll just want to pretend you're the majority and/or you're not racist and you'd win if it weren't for "voter fraud." The fact is that without bullshit Diet Jim Crow garbage like voter ID and all the gerrymandering you guys did back in 2010, we'd have Senate Majority Leader Elizabeth Warren and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi now. Enjoy your GOP Congress while it lasts, keep nominating more Donald Trumps, Jeff Sessions', Ted Cruzes, and Grassleys, and we'll have control of all three branches of government for the next forty years. Keep up the good work, I know you won't let us down.

We both know that we're not going to convince each other that voter ID laws are or arent a deliberate attempt to disenfranchise black voters. But even you have to admit that, without it, it's too easy to vote in person at multiple poling places under an assumed identity since all you have to do is say you're the name of a registered voter who hasn't shown up at that polling place yet.
Reported cases of voter are less than reported cases of lightning strikes because, unlike lightning strikes, the intent of voter fraud is to not have anyone find out.

The article you site even says "It’s fair to say, however, that impersonation cases can be hard to count in that they are hard to prove -- particularly when no photo ID requirement is in place and a voter can cast a ballot simply by stating the name of a registered voter."

So you think some democrats didn't win their elections because too many democrat voters were too dumb to show up at polling places without proper credentials. Yet most republicans were smart enough to to show up prepared to vote. That's a pretty big insult to democrat voters. But I guess nominating someone who has proven her incompetence as Secretary of State and can't be trusted with top secret information and a bold face liar on top of that, is what you call good for the country, I guess that plains why you're dumb enough to believe voter fraud is so rare that there is no need to show ID when voting and there's no point in debating it further.

She's one of the most respected Secretaries of State in modern history by anyone that isn't a right-wing fanatic. And your candidate is a racist demagogue and a moron who is a "successful businessman" largely by marketing his name and "only" bankrupted six companies. Oh but by all means, pretend the woman that helped craft the Iran sanctions and CHIP is the inferior candidate, just further proof of the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of American conservatism.

How is he racist?

I think I'll stop trying to make funny memes and just make arrogant political ones.

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1) I post what I want.

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2) Nobody has ever or will ever make a better joke than the 2016 GOP. If conservatives have their fee-fees hurt because I'm just stating the obvious, ya'll got nobody to blame but yourselves.

Or maybe they can pull up their pants and take some dam responsibility, yes?

Republicans can lecture people on responsibility when they stop electing racist, loudmouthed, ignorant reality TV show hosts as their presidential candidates.

Are you saying black people don't know how to get IDs?

*between jobs

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