Can't we just start over? There's no shame in recognizing this is going to end bad either way. Obama was like getting pregnant on a on a first date and either one of these two will be like getting married and keeping the baby.
I can understand hating both, but surely not equally? Trump is far more hateworthy. In any case: as a foreigner, I'd like to start a petition for the rest of the world to sign if they want different presidential candidates for the USA. Because it's not just your country that'll be ruined if Trump gets elected, it's all of them. If Hillary gets elected, your country won't be ruined but it will be the same old story and I'm afraid she'd not only be the first female president, but the first mediocre female president as well - and that'll make it more difficult for other women to take the post in the future.
So I guess if you are a misogynist who doesn't want a female president, you should elect a female president this time around. Because she might well do poorly and ruin the chances of future female candidates. Whereas if you vote Trump into office, the next election (if there'll be one) will feature a huge reaction to his misogynist bullshit and a female successor will be 100% guaranteed.
What ever happened to electing someone based on their policies and character? Has affirmative action crept into politics? Do we "need" a black/female / (minority) president? It's alarming that her being a female will guarantee her votes from females, same with Obama. I don't care if they're the last Eskimo on earth, if they have a history of lies, scandals and corruption they do not belong in the Oval Office.
It appears you're under the impression I'm saying it's a good thing to vote for Hillary because she's a woman. I didn't actually do that. I agree with voting based on aptitude and convictions. Which, by the way, is why I think it's impossible to hate both equally. Apart from his utterly misformed personality and lack of leadership skills, he's just not fit to run a country. Clinton may be annoying and seem disingenuous, but let's face it: Trump is just as annoying and disingenuous. Most presidents have been to some degree annoying and nearly all of them have been disingenuous - probably all of them. It's just that most of them were good at hiding it. So in an uncomfortable sense it may be 'good' that Hillary comes across as untrustworthy: it's nice to know when you're being lied to by your leaders. If it were up to me, it'd be Trump v Sanders, but I'm not a U.S. citizen so all I can do is sigh and remind you guys that you got yourselves into this mess. Well, it'd be Literally Anyone But Trump v Sanders, but whatever. (Talk about lies, scandals and corruption...)
I wasn't being specific, just generalizing how people vote based on superficial reasons. As far as I am concerned I always voted for "the other guy" libertarian or independent. Not that it matters, I'm not stupid enough to think that we are actually selecting a leader. Banks and corporations along with multi billionaires decide who runs America...
That's good to hear! Unfortunately, there's a lot of Americans who don't think that far. But you know then that my stating an opinion about your country's politics is not only harmless, it might actually be helpful. Outsider's view and all that. As long as I'm not invading you guys or preeching hate or violence, I'm perfectly within my rights to share that view. Telling people not to do that suggests the same narrow view of "Americans know best" that leads some U.S. citizens to think their views are the right ones by default, which is why I responded with that previous meme. You might not think that way, but consider how it looks to non-Americans when an American says "Don't voice your opinion over our politics." It sucks that you have to consider that image, but I'm afraid you do have to - it's gonna take time and effort for that image to change.
Anyway, you don't have to agree with me, you don't even have to listen to what I have to say. But damn you if you think I can't speak my mind about your politics. Hell, if you guys elect a lunatic, they could invade MY country or some bullshit. So I think that makes me a shareholder. If you were to have an opinion about my country's politics, I'd encourage you to share your views. Even if they were baseless bullshit, you'd still have every right to voice them.
0 ups, 7y,
You have a right to your own opinion, but at the end of the day, what Americans think about American politics is all that matters. I don't know where you're from, but my opinion makes no difference in how you should vote or think.
I agree with the former, but disagree with the latter. If you make a good argument, I should and would take that into consideration. I'm from Belgium by the way, small and fairly unknown country - except to beer, fries and chocolate connaisseurs. :P So I doubt you have as much access to the political scene here as we do to the political scene over there. But still: if you had an opinion on the way we do things, I'd listen to what you have to say. After some consideration (how much depends on the quality of the statement) I might dismiss your opinion, or (partly) accept it. But I certainly wouldn't shush you beforehand or claim only Belgians have the right to talk about Belgian politics. Like I said: your opinion might even persuade me to adjust my own views. So while what Belgians think about Belgian politics is all that matters on the surface, what Belgians think can be influenced by outside views. And I think that's a good thing if we are to ever unite as a species (in the very, very long run).