Philosoraptor

Pro-Choice Logic: We can have abortions on the fetus, but won't eat eggs because a baby chick is in their. Along with having an outrage because my killing one Gorilla is so horrible compared to an endangered species being murdered everyday.

It's so sickening with the radical hypocrisy that we have nowadays. The video shows the Gorilla fixing the child up and saving him from drowning and the parents were not watching him. It angers me to see that People are negligent with their children and expect sympathy and GET IT.

All in all we need to think logically not emotionally.

"Pro-Choice Logic: We can have abortions on the fetus, but won't eat eggs because a baby chick is in their." This isn't a pro-choice logic. You are combining pro-choice and vegetarians. Vegetarians will say that we shouldn't eat eggs because of the baby chick, which if you want to get technical most eggs would be more like the period of a chicken with the eggs being unfertilized.

I just want to make sure you realize that of the 4 types of gorillas, each type is either endangered or critically endangered. So the killing of this one gorilla is the killing of an endangered species, which is why many people are outraged by this.

I have 2 problems with the incident. First, the zoo should have had better barricades in place to keep anyone of any size of falling into the exhibit. Regardless of a child running off, the zoo should have had better safe guards in place. Second, they should have realized the situation and should have tried to tranquilize the gorilla first. Yes the parents should be held responsible for not keeping track of the kid, but with the possibility of accidents happening even when they are watching their kids, there should still be more safe guards in place.

I watched one video where it shows the gorilla dragging the kid around in the water at fast paces. Honestly it is hard to tell exactly what could have taken place. However they should have used the tranquilizers first with having the riffle on standby just in case.

The problem with a tranq dart is that the effects are NOT instantaneous. The Gorilla would have been enraged by the dart and most likely have seen the child as the source of the pain, thereby inflicting dangerous if not fatal wounds upon him before the dart took effect. The death of this animal is unfortunate, but it is not the crusade that many are making it out to be. Honestly, the majority of the blame rests upon the zoo for having such a poorly set up enclosure, as you said earlier.

Multiple tranqs at once could immobilize faster, and although could still potentially kill the gorilla, still givethe posibility to save both. I still think there could have been a possibility to have done more, but it is hard to say without being there.

Faster doesn't mean safer, it still takes time for the tranq to enter the bloodstream. During this time, the gorilla is in pain and angry. Any tranq dosage that would take effect fast enough to save the child would be fatal to the gorilla. And if the tranq dosage is going to kill the gorilla anyway, then the bullet is ultimately the more humane way.

And a bullet in the wrong spot only injures the gorilla, which would piss it off as much as tranqing it. This isn't the first time someone has fallen into a zoo exhibit, and other times it has happened they didn't have to kill or tranq the animal to save the person. Besides poor barricades, maybe there is poor training for situations like this as well.

First of all, I want to thank you for your tone during this entire discussion. Even though we are on different sides of the issue, I truly appreciate the level of civility and respect. It's hard to find that on the internet these days.

Now the behavior that the gorilla was displaying was one of increasing danger to the boy. A zookeeper familiar with the behavior of gorillas describes this nicely in a piece written for her local paper: http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/latest-columns/20160601-a-former-zookeeper-clears-up-some-misconceptions-a.ece

I truly wish that this didn't happen the way that it did, but the actions that were taken by the response team were the correct ones for the terrible situation.

Well we cant know that because we blew its brains out remember?

Though it is the zoos fault.

Now that's true. I saw the video without any audio so I had no idea if the Gorilla was torturing the boy or saving it from the gun blasts. Do you think the Gorilla was trying to save the boy from the gunshots?

The video I saw didn't have any gun blasts that I am aware of. If there was more than one gunshot, I would really be surprised. Attempting to shoot and missing would have put the child in even more risk than using tranquilizers.

I still have no idea what the animal was doing.

Ha ha. On a more serious note though, no matter what happened, that wasn't the worst outcome possible. As we can see, this is a male silverback gorrila, which is known for violent and uncontrollable tendincies. I say we condemn the parents, mourn the gorilla and realise what we can do to stop this from happening again.

I would think the parents should receive some form of legal punishment for this. In some states, child endangerment when leaving a child in a vehicle can result in upto 6 months in prision and/or removing the child from the home. The penalty for killing an endangered species is upto $50k. So why not combine both and charge these parents with 6 months in prison, removal of child/children from home, and $50,000 fine paid to the zoo so they can afford to increase their barricades around their exhibits. Just a thought.

Exactly. It just seemed so unnecessary for such thing to happen. And with all the outrage found on the internet, I know alot of people who would agree with your statement.

What's a womb?

touche
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you were a womb in a stomach

when did life ever made sense

Yea I really don't like flame wars, but I don't like those trying to claim religious people are the only ones who push their views onto others even more.

I care about all these cruel and unfair problems, but Imgflip is not the place to discuss it.

Actually, the comments are more what I'm referring to.

I apologize for any offence I may have triggered.

excellent! we need more smart raptors, or even humans to ask such questions!

YES!!! Great meme! Great minds think alike!

AND ALSO WHEN THE PEOPLE ARE IMMGRANTING

*imgflipping

no immigrating

Why call a non-fertilized egg a living individual when it's not going to develop into an full grown organism? Why shouldn't women be able to decide what to do with their own body. Here's an further explanation of my point on this issue: Abortion in the United States has been and remains one of the most controversial issues in United States culture and politics. Various anti-abortion laws have been on the statute books of each state since at least 1900. In 1973, abortion was prohibited entirely in 30 states and legal in limited circumstances (such as pregnancies resulting from rape or incest) in 20 other states. In that year, the Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade invalidated all of these laws, and set guidelines for the availability of abortion. Roe established that the right of privacy of a woman to obtain an abortion "must be considered against important state interests in regulation."[1] Roe established a "trimester" (i.e., 12 week) threshold of state interest in the life of the fetus corresponding to its increasing "viability" (likelihood of survival outside the uterus) over the course of a pregnancy, such that states were prohibited from banning abortion early in pregnancy but allowed to impose increasing restrictions or outright bans later in pregnancy.

It is not called an abortion with an unfertilized egg. That is called a period. As far as why women shouldn't decide what to do to their own body is because when it comes to abortions it involves another body and living being. How about you consider this vital piece of information. Every 13 months there is as many abortions that take place as there have been people killed in every single war the United States has been in combined. Of course why not consider the single celled micro organisms living creatures that we supposedly evolved from and not the fertilized egg at the moment of conception.