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Immigration. | ILLEGAL ALIENS HUH? I TOTALLY FEEL YOUR PAIN MAN. | image tagged in immigration,native american,illegal aliens,crossing the border | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Captain Picard Facepalm Meme | YOU'RE A SPECIAL KIND OF STUPID AREN'T YOU? | image tagged in memes,captain picard facepalm | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Creepy Condescending Wonka Meme | YOU THINK YOUR OPINION WILL BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY? TELL ME MORE ABOUT WHY YOUR USERNAME IS "IMAMEGATROLL." | image tagged in memes,creepy condescending wonka | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Creepy Condescending Wonka Meme | BECAUSE ITS A FUNNY USERNAME THIS IS A SITE FOR HUMOR AFTER ALL | image tagged in memes,creepy condescending wonka | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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11 ups, 1 reply
I know that. I was just pointing out the disconnect between your name and what you are doing. Not trying to be a jerk about it.
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3 ups, 1 reply
I was in fact trolling you, thought that was obvious. I think what happened to the Native Americans was wrong, but to simply put it, this is our country now. We have no control over what our ancestors did.
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2 ups, 2 replies
Just pointing out that when say this is "OUR COUNTRY NOW" that "OUR" still includes Native Americans, the ones that didn't run or get forced out to Mexico or Canada. We are US Citizens. We do pay Taxes & Social Security. Equal Rights. Equal Opportunity. And Everything Else.
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I'm referring to current illegal immigration from Mexico, Canada, etc.
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though only like 40% ( i think that right) live there
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Darwin's Theory of NATURAL.Selection /= the sort of "Social Darwinism" that WOLVES raise their packs to revere. Are you (WE) no better than that....
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the universal one of not invading a land and killing the natives
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Oh, mean like every other nation on this planet in the history of the planet? Yeah, because we white racist motherfookers hate everyone.
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14 ups, 4 replies
I'm unfamiliar with that one. Can you cite the code where the Native Americans wrote it down? My last recollection was that Native Americans were pretty much warring tribes that would enslave their enemies, kill and scalp their enemies and leave them to die of exposure, steal their resources, stampeded thousands of buffalo over cliffs (and were unable to consume all of them), and treated women as property.

You must be referring to FANTASY LAND where the Native Americans were nothing but peaceful hunter/gatherers who lived like they were 21st Century environmentalist liberals with a "live and let live" outlook.
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7 ups, 1 reply
Yoy clearly know nothing, I could tell you more about the different people and the wars in Europe than you can tell me of Native American culture. Some tribes were peaceful, some tribes were vicious andbecame more so when threatened. Some tribes were turncoats and spies. Every race has good and bad people, traitors, and greed. Of course you were taught that the native were all of those bad things and you arw eager to believe without acknowledging how the natives greeted the people, fed them, taught them of the land and what will grow. What would not. There were not wars, there was an invasion, many lies, many broken treaties, misunderstandings and eventually all out genocide.
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Dude, you're so funny. I minored in American History. You're the idiot. The reason you could tell me about the history in Europe is because they had written language. The fact you forgot that tells me you probably still live in your mom's basement and are working as a burger flipper. LOL!

You're just a worthless Liberal trying to apply 21st Century thinking to the actions of 16th & 17th Century peoples.
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4 ups, 2 replies
First off I am not a dude. Second American history has been fraught with american propaganda in order to cast events that happened into a light of good americans bad indians. Yet there were many historical accounts that show intelligent leaders and welcoming peaceful tribes. Things got ugly and so history demonized Native Americans to justify the slaughter. Ive seen books that printed that we gave the Europeans diseases, we carried syphilis, and other ugly lies. I'm 44 years old, Ive studied every bit as much as you have and I'm also half white. I have two grown sons, one is a Sgt in the Army. I am not stupid just because you don't agree with me.
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3 ups, 1 reply
"There were not wars" WRONG http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/thanksgiving-guilt-trip-how-warlike-were-native-americans-before-europeans-showed-up/

There were no borders in the 1600's in North America. There was no "invasion." That's just a guilt trip bleeding hearts try to put on school children (and 44 year olds), most of whom swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

I'm so glad you've made it to 44 with your half-white guilt and misconceptions. Congratulations.
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Do you even hear yourself? So it was only officially a war if it was decared to be so by the white men? Inhabitants have no rights to the land they thrived on for hundreds of years if they have no understanding of property laws, homesteading, and deeds? There were no borders even though your own anthropologists can pinpoint the territories that each tribe or shared language tribes were known for keeping to? My ancestors history has never been taught in school. I learned from my elders, college courses, research, trainings. I've seen the ongoing aftermath of what was done, how it still effects all of us today when men would rather continue to lie about what was done than just say yea, that was horrible, I hope to never see such atrocities ever again.
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Yep. Eyes. Wide. Open. (my grandmother was full blooded Cherokee). I know all the lies, the truths, the stories, and the hilariously funny assertions made by the people who feel guilty that their great great great great great great great great grandparents had measles when they encountered a Native American tribe.

I'm familiar with the lie that it was an "invasion." And I understand the silly reasons people use that term (political mostly ... or just pure white guilt).

But history doesn't match with those assertions. Real history, that is. Not the recently made up stuff, Internet Top Ten lists, and people who haven't really studied.

Again, here you go. Twelve bucks gets you an acclaimed best seller on the history of Native American societies.
http://www.amazon.com/Guns-Germs-Steel-Fates-Societies/dp/0393317552/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1459947019&sr=8-1&keywords=Guns%2C+Germs%2C+and+Steel%3A+The+Fates+of+Human+Societies

And surprise, surprise, up to one third of Native American DNA has European roots.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/dna-analysis-shows-native-americans-had-european-roots-a-954675.html

Were there atrocities? Yes. But Native Americans were committing them against each other as well. Every nation (tribe?) has committed the same atrocities against their enemies since time immemorial. But the idea that there was some sort of European "invasion" has repeatedly been shown to be a laughable idea.
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I will agree with you on these points. We all share a point of origination and spread out across the world, there is one race. Human.
There have always been horrible atrocities committed against our fellow men from time immemorial as there have always been conflicts, wars, greed, judgemental attitudes. piousness, and differing religious or spiritual beliefs. Native Americans were as corruptable and susceptible as any other man. I will not agree to deny that many men women and babies were slaughtered much more than those that died from disease. I won't justify the trail of tears or the boarding school assimilate or die nightmare. I refuse to let you piss on me and tell me it is rain. I know what my people went through and what they continue to struggle with to this day. I don't know why many are so desperate to cover up what was done, but case and point the statement that you made on how we slaughtered the Buffalo needlessly and wasted it. I know that you know thw US military was ordered to slaughter our food sources to weak the resolve of those holding out and refusing relocation. The Federal Government has acknowledged that so how is it beneficial to lie and flip responsibility? As far as I'm concerned I am an American too and I would not be comfortable living anywhere else. So as a fellow Citizen I wish you the best as I wish for us all and I'm done beating this dead horse.
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2 ups, 1 reply
You're not stupid, but your history is wrong in this case.
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https://youtu.be/KuyHw8MLoEE
Look I am not advocating for open borders, I think that most Native people just think it is hypocritical to make such a huge fuss over people that may or may not have originally (Pre European Invasion) resided within what are now US borders, but even if they were from a tribe that was always in Mexico, they are still of the people that were here on this continent first. So what if we & you all originated in you say Asia/ most say Africa in Mesopotamia, if anything that just futher confirms that there are no races but the human race. Yet it was all fine and dandy land of opportunities and Statue of Liberty welcome to other immigrants traveling across oceans. I understand that you would like to carry pride in your ancestors can you do that without trying to belittle mine. Thank You
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Study this:
http://www.amazon.com/Guns-Germs-Steel-Fates-Societies/dp/0393317552/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1459947019&sr=8-1&keywords=Guns%2C+Germs%2C+and+Steel%3A+The+Fates+of+Human+Societies
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This is sincerely well stated. Colonists were just better at killing in a more organized way than they were.
It's Darwinism vs the social contract I guess.
Without social contract it's a free for all if everyone equally armed. Terrorists proving that now.

Ronburgandy, I believe might agree when I say " how the Indians acted is not justification for my actions"
In line with his "universal" law concept.
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hello my ignorant friend read this http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-common-misconceptions-about-native-americans.php you ignorant fool
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Oh, yeah, a "top ten" list on the Internet ... now THAT'S scientific research.
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/thanksgiving-guilt-trip-how-warlike-were-native-americans-before-europeans-showed-up/
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All of this I agree with other than Aboriginal Americans treating women as property. This varied between tribes and some were actually matriarchal societies. By the way, I have decided to call them "Aboriginal Americans" because it is more correct than the term "Native Americans." Technically, anyone born in America is a "native American." You might also call them "Indigenous Americans."
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2 ups, 1 reply
Actually they emigrated from Asia many thousands of years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlement_of_the_Americas
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3 ups, 1 reply
You're right.Honestly I was under the impression that aboriginal meant native.
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It's all cool.
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9 ups, 1 reply
Bwahaha. What? Starting a colony on your front lawn and killing you isn't illegal? Where does it say that in the constitution? Oh my bad..
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7 ups, 1 reply
I'm intrigued, are you deliberately trying to be contentious in order to provoke a reaction?
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Sorry, sarcasm squared. Forgot my audience. Was actually reacting to the defense that no Indian laws were violated in colonizing America. Which is technically true. "Universal" ethics as stated right above me were however trampled along with lives.

Point is I've never heard someone imply "Laws? What Indian laws were broken?" Like something a banker at Goldman Sachs would say.
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It's the real challenge within this community, trying to convey an opinion/attitude with the written word but without intonation or gesture. I do admire your attack upon the "technicality" defence, you can almost hear "I vas only obeying orders" in the distance.
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Tx. and agreed. In racism, only when the "other", the unknown threat is obliterated, then we back off.
The American i guan, basically wiped out was "the pagan heathen". Once under control.. "The charming savage"
Racism morphed from fear to condescension. The "other": Jews to nazis, native Americans to colonials, blacks to whites.. Etc. fear the unknown.
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Interesting, I must admit that I have done no in-depth reading of sociology. But I will.
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It's mostly my conjecture but well founded in psyche and sociology. Like Santa Claus is in part the remnants of infant pagan sacrifice guilt.. In South America there is a "black peter" still.. Who handles the naughty list by taking the bad kids away..
The point that was asserted to me that sticks is that racism is the scar of slavery or how we collectively process the trauma of mans inhumanity to man.

David Mamet, strangely enough, the screenplay writer wrote a short book on it from point of Judaism.
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Indian.. Not I guan. Lol
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Exactly. Our unconscious guilt won't help solve this issue. Well said
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course
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I acknowledged it, but decided against correction because of the multiple meaning application. It's a coarse subject.
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Unlike many other people, I agree with you. People (including the natives) hate others invading their land- that's just the fact. Not sure why there are so many haters out there today...
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#FeelTheBern Bob, no lube for you
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Thanks tedcruz, georgeclooney, jebbush, ronburgundy, and whatever other alt account you think of next.
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Lol.. Yes. And our evolution is also helped by speed of information during that interval. So harder to hide ethnic cleansing under the guise of "heathen savages"
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I was involved in reconciliation here in Canada with the First Nations peoples. The federal government acknowledged and apologized for entrenched injustices which happened over many years. This took many years but we are beginning to see the restoration of lost identities and even the redemption of their cultures.
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12 ups, 2 replies
This racist native American argument is getting old.
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6 ups, 2 replies
I agree. They keep making it when it truly isn't applicable.

We fought wars with the Natives, and they LOST. lol :{
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5 ups, 1 reply
What's with the "lol"? It's true that Europeans and native Americans fought and warred with each other. Europeans did more damage due to disease the natives had no immunity to, superior weaponry and the willingness to be deceptive and break promises/treaties. That doesn't make them better.
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4 ups, 2 replies
The lol stands for laughing out loud.

It's funny because people are trying so hard to demonize white Americans in the media.

The Natives did their fair share of savagery.

So stop, just stop. This invalid argument has been made time and time again here.

No one living today was involved in that period of time. It's 2016. Not 1916.

But let me guess, it's just a joke? That's just usually the next thing people on your end say at this point. I'm preemptive striking that shit. lol :{
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3 ups, 1 reply
I know what lol stands for, I was just wondering what you were laughing at, but your above comment explained it.

What did you anticipate I was going to chalk up to being "just a joke"?

Upvoted btw
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Most want to add in at some point that the memes are all "just jokes" to defeat any analysis of the memes.

I guess I anticipated it because you were trying to make a case for the natives.

But this type of meme/joke is obviously flawed.

I have native American blood from both sides(Cherokee) of my family. I also have interests in all indigenous cultures.

But I don't feel sorry for them so bad that I would demonize extant individuals(mainly white Americans for some reason, despite the British Empire having A LOT MORE atrocities under their belt).

I will say the way you handled the response and your reply is admirable. :{
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"everybody else was doing it" is an even older and truly invalid argument.
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Wow
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And therefore invalid or just not easy to defend against? Or something else?

And yes, when it comes down to it might made right as I'm sure the Indians killed each other and whoever was here before them.. I do not disagree with those points. Winners write history. And I font judge the colonists. But as evolution goes, I don't think human species is in general so blasé about invasion and ethnic cleansing anymore. still happening , but not ignored as much.
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I getit, but the people inhabiting the 15th century fresh off the Middle Ages, the plague, and the crusades probably did not consider the long term ramifications of illegally immigrating to North America. Lol
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4 ups, 1 reply
I wouldn't call what the Europeans did illegal immigration so much as conquest and forced conversion.
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4 ups, 1 reply
When the first H. Heidelbergensis migrated out of Africa, human expansion began. The Europeans of those ages were doing as every other culture at the time was doing, exploring and conquering new lands and peoples. It was what was done at the time. To try and put 21st century sensibilities onto a mind set we have not and could not experience is impossible. If we knew then what we know now ....who knows?
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4 ups, 3 replies
That's true, I just don't like people whitewashing the atrocities that Europeans committed against the NA populations.
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Yep and to each other. The Gauls, the Briton, the Anglos, the Saxons, and hundreds of others. People invaded other people's places. People still invade other people's places.
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Strangely works as sequel to the caveman commercials and the capital one barbarians
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lol Migration nazis. :{
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10 ups, 1 reply
Says it all really. Simple and elegant 10/10.
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Well, it's not like the backward Native people were actually doing anything productive with America, besides constant war, starving half the time and taking slaves, occasionally engaging in cannibalism. It's not like the European immigrants squandered their opportunity and built the greatest nation on Earth, hacking it out of the wilderness and taking everyone's life expectancy from 24 to 74 in 100 years. You know, making things better for everyone. We'll just forget about all that historical fact in a frenzy of politically correct nonsense...
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8 ups, 2 replies
And let us not forget that we pretty much abolished slavery in under 150 years. Something over half the world's other countries have yet to accomplish in over 6,000 years.

Did you know that the constitution as a whole was put in place to eventually destroy modern slavery in this country? If it weren't for the constitution we'd still be a slave owning country.
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3 ups, 1 reply
Not everyone owned slaves and not everyone believed slavery was right. And slavery built this country.
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That's true, not everyone owned slaves, and many Christians adamantly opposed slavery, but many Christians supported it as well, that's all I was saying :)
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I believe Argentina abolished it before us. And it was their constitution that explicitly banned slavery from most of their country in 1850-ish.
So I guess that puts us in 2nd place in the Americas..
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8 ups, 2 replies
What did the Romans ever do for us? Monty Python aside have you not considered how empty your argument is? On one hand you claim that immigrants vastly improved a nation on the other hand you claim that immigrants will destroy the same nation.
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7 ups, 1 reply
Immigrants that work benefit a nation, unvetted immigrants that a) commit crimes b) collect welfare and social benefits c) send money back to home countries, do not benefit a nation.
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What did the Romans ever do for us? I see you are an accomplished ignoramus when it comes to history, so I can safely assume that piece of idiocy will speak for your lack of education.
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2 ups, 1 reply
It's a line from the Monty Python movie Life of Brian.
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That's nice. Those Monty Python guys are not the least bit funny or clever, I'm still waiting for punchlines delivered in the 1970s to be funny.
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Understood. It's them and the majority of the comedic world that is wrong for even being permitted to laugh at their tripe. It is NOT simply " oh, yeah I get their humor but it doesn't hit me as that good."

And the reference was basically " the Romans are responsible for so much good in the world, and yet did terrible things to the Jews and early christians."

But it was NOT funny in the movie at all, in the least.. Do not waste your time seeing it of for that matter any new foods, clothes or music.. We idiots like it that way.
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1 up, 1 reply
I'm warming to your dead-pan delivery.
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You made a point that without visual/audio context it is difficult to get true tone. I just ran with it better directed. It's your fault! Lol
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3 ups, 1 reply
Careful with the insults Mr. It betrays your lack of ability to develop a cogent argument. My point is that nobody on this planet holds the moral high ground. It also speaks volumes when you describe the USA as the "greatest nation on earth". Really?
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I cannot help it if your tiny insect mind has been poisoned by self-loathing Leftist types and you are a historical [email protected] to boot.
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You really are showing the limits of your intellectual ability with that pithy and pertinent riposte. If only Oscar Wilde were alive to enjoy your wit.
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Who cares what a dead alcoholic queer thinks?
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2 ups, 1 reply
Oscar would definitely have a crush on you if your statements are a reflection on your age.
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As opposed to you constantly masturbating in a mirror, I'll take that as a back handed compliment. I have all sorts in my fan club.
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You have a fan club? The AGM must be a rich source of psychiatric case studies.
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2 ups
Was that a dull thud I heard in the distance? Oh sorry that was just you hitting rock bottom.
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"Backward"..wow. You betray yourself. rationalized racism. Justifying actions on another human by first dehumanizing them. God help you when you are on the other end of that sentence. As you could be put there right now if I thought it wasn't more time wasted. Pearls to...etc.
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Those are lies.
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Your comment is so absurd I honestly don't know if you're serious or trolling.
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Amerindians didn't have border laws as they didn't even believe in land ownership so your implicit claim that European settlers were illegal aliens is invalid.PS:I find it funny how no one gives Mexico any crap when it enforces it's immigration laws and deports illegals.
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I do not need a written document to tell me that it is wrong to come into someones home, ask them to share then start claiming all their stuff is mine, push them out to the doghouse and then sick of their resistance and whining slaughter them, I'm pretty sure you dont either. It is against international laws now, genocide is a war crime.
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http://townhall.com/columnists/michaelmedved/2007/09/19/reject_the_lie_of_white_genocide_against_native_americans/page/full
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5 ups, 1 reply
Awesome find! Here's another:http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/thanksgiving-guilt-trip-how-warlike-were-native-americans-before-europeans-showed-up/
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Actually you do. we all feel something akin to guilt. You are reacting one way, some the other. This heated debate proves it. It's the unconscious psychological scars of our racist behavior as humans defiling each other. Sins of our fathers that we struggle with, rationalize, and hopefully come to terms with someday.,
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https://youtu.be/KuyHw8MLoEE
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"The results revealed that 7,193 people died from atrocities perpetrated by those of European descent, and 9,156 people died from atrocities perpetrated by Native Americans."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_massacre#List_of_massacres
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If you honestly think that forcibly removing people from the land they occupied for hundreds of years before your people discovered it, that putting bounties on any that refused having the bounty hunters bring scalps as proof, that mass hangings, mass graves, entire villages hunted down, the government trying to destroy your food sources, the government committed the first account of chemical warfare with smallpox blankets, boarding schools to remove language culture and assimilate to white standards, which also have instances of mass childrens graves. If you honestly do not think tbe government involvement and directives constitute a will & policy in favor of eradication of the Native Americans which is genocide then we are at an impasse.
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I agree totally with what you said, but you got one thing wrong. The smallpox blankets would be biological, not chemical, warfare, and that's not the first use of biological weapons. I don't recall the details, but back during the bubonic plague, one army threw plague-infected corpses over the fortress walls at their enemy.
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I was trying to think of the word but sometimes I draw a blank, thank you. I was mostly trying to speed type on my phone, so mispellings and word usage mistakes galore. Embarrassing, too bad no edit functions available. It drives me batty that responses to eachother are not kept in proper order of the conversation. Thank you for the information and your comments.
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:)
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The smallpox blanket thing is bullshit http://quod.lib.umich.edu/p/plag/5240451.0001.009/--did-the-us-army-distribute-smallpox-blankets-to-indians?rgn=main;view=fulltext
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I admit I haven't studied the subject in depth.
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Two wrongs don't make a right but I guess in this case 2 negatives make a positive for the US Govt. was concerned?
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Great find! Here's another: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/thanksgiving-guilt-trip-how-warlike-were-native-americans-before-europeans-showed-up/
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Here is where you misunderstand. My people do not ask for guilt from those who clearly were not the perpetrators. Mostly I see my people trying to heal the spirit and traditions that were broken, trying to bring a sense of wholeness and connection to the ones who have learned that the only good indian is a dead indian. This is where ongoing lies, patriotic propaganda, and dismissing it as justified or deserved becomes a big problem. It is not a lot to ask for the healing can only happen after acknowledgment of truth and through validation from fellow citizens that those days are over, that they see us as human beings as worthy of life, liberty, happiness and love as all other citizens
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How warlike were the Europeans, the Vikings? Who cares? Yea we fought amongst ourselves just as you fought amongst yourselves. That did not negate our human right to exist or inhabit the land that your ancestors found us on. Had we been as warlike as you would like portray, however, I doubt the settlements would have even started. I do not know why you have developed this attitude that the only laws, human rights, borders, and points of view that are valid are those written down in plain English, but that is quite simply a skewed way of thinking. It does not hold water in any moral or philosophical sense.
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The whole argument of white settlers being illegal immigrants is wrong. For someone to be an "Illegal immigrant" There has to be a preexisting government which can defend its laws and borders. The Americas did not have that. The Natives sold parts of their land and even helped those who arrived at Plymouth Rock to survive until harvest which is why we have Thanksgiving. Yea it no longer holds the meaning that it did then. Being thankful that the natives helped us to survive. I don't agree with everything that Our leaders did to them just like any dictator.
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It is wrong to say that because you do not recognize the laws of a land inhabited, because the rules and territories ate not mapped out in your language, that it didnt exist or that you have a right to all they have just because you think they are backwards or less advanced than you.
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None of what you just said makes Europeans illegal immigrants. What? I said I don't agree with what happened, But there is nothing that can be done to change it. A branch of my family tree is Native Americans from the New England area, Long Island to be specific, the Shinecock people. I would either have never been born or be worshiping the creaTION rather than the creaTOR, had not the European missionaries come to this world and teach the natives.
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What they did was a violation of human rights. Yes it can't be changed but it can be learned from, not repeated, and it should at least be acknowledged that honoring agreements is not welfare or "teat suckling"
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So I don't see your point in regards to illegal immigrants. I know that the treatment of the natives was horrible. Also Geneva hadn't happened there was no "human rights" there were people in England starving because the king didn't care about them. You brought up Welfare, I mentioned teat suckling because most people who are not against sealing the border, ie believe this mindset, are socialists who want Bernie for prez. I don't know what you want to happen to rectify what happened hundreds of years ago.
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I don't want anything to happen other than acknowledgment that it happened and it wasn't a glorious thing, at least not for everyone. I do think that the borders should be controlled but wonder why russians are flooding in but we are only concerned with mexicans. I wonder why it is not acknowledged that many were forced out of this side of the border so maybe they do have more right to be here than other immigrants. What I don't agree with are jobs requiring Spanish and all the special programs. Our kids should all be learning at least two languages from early childhood not just theirs and all should agree on a national language.
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I believe it has been acknowledged. I also don't see Russians flooding into this country, but I do see many third world Mexicans who want to take over the land and make the US into an extension of Mexico.
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Welcoming and sharing with all that was provided by the creator does not mean take it from us and banish us from what we were willing to share.
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Combating unconscious psychotic prejudice with reasonable arguments is not just folly it is capitulation. / save your breath. I just realized I was wasting mine.
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The government is bound by treaties that were re established through the legal system. That is their only compensation for all that was lost and that shrinks consistently. Land annexed from reservations at will. If you had contracts you would expect them to be honored and that is not welfare or a hand out. Just as Social Security when you retire is not a benefit or handout that was your moneyand the government had no business depleting it.
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I hate government like it is so we agree on that I hope. I want to live my life worship God my way and raise my family. If there are natives who receive money from the federal government. And do not contribute back to society that is a handout, that is welfare. Just like SS is a handout. They are stealing my money just like yours. But that doesn't mean I can complain. I live in (what was, mabye not for much longer) the greatest/richest/etc country the world has ever known, but instead of b**ch that I gotta go into debt to pay for school and all these other things that come with the curse of being human, I'm going to do something about it for my future kids.
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Soo wrong... Soo funny
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do you consider the survival of whites takes precedence over other races?
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I didn't bring up race, Dankerson did.
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If you keep trying, you could make a thought
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Is it not enough to consider yourself human and no more or less than other human, irrespective of colour?
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"i.imgflip.com/pgm9v.jpg (click to show)"
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I wonder if this is how Greenland feels all of the time.
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This argument would make since IF ww were going to give the land back to the Native Americans (or whatever term you feel is appropriate), but we're not. Since we're not giving it back, why wouldn't we protect ourselves from the same fate we dealt the Native Americans?
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i admit, i read this in a voice like that of a stereotypical native american voice.
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Can't not laugh at this.
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i had a similar conversation with an imgflip user as those happening here. quite frankly, i felt bad listing the brutalities and savagery of the native american to defend the european invaders (let's not pretend that the settlers didn't invade and conquer the new world - it's how they did it and the nature of the people they did it to that people tend to argue about). but he appreciated the discussion and it was completely civil. hopefully this thread provides some level-headed insight into both sides of the discussion. imgflip.com/i/zqpyj
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