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I used to feel that bakers should have to provide a cake, flowers etc for a same sex wedding, even if they didn't agree with it, because if you run a public business, you shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against customers. I've changed my stance on the issue and now feel that a business owner should be allowed to deny their product or service to someone (unless that product or service is something essential like medicine). However, the sword cuts both ways, which some people seem to fail to realize. If a Christian baker wants to deny a cake to a gay couple just because they're gay, they can't turn around and complain if someone else denies something to them just because they're Christian.
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6 ups, 3 replies
Except that race isn't a choice and homosexuality is.
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7 ups, 2 replies
When did you choose to be heterosexual?
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5 ups, 1 reply
I actually did. My natural inclinations are bisexual. I knew I wanted kids (biological), marriage, the regular stuff, ect. Because I knew this would be easier as a heterosexual, I only pursued heterosexual relationships. I don't believe everyone has a choice, because I can't imagine that given the choice, many people would choose differently than I did.
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8 ups, 2 replies
But by definition you are still bisexual...you just pursue heterosexual relationships. I (nor anyone that is hetero or homo) never chose it....I'm just not attracted to men. Same way a gay guy simply isn't attracted to women. Being bisexual you are still attracted to both sexes (not a choice) but you CHOOSE to have sex with only women.
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6 ups, 1 reply
Um, actually, I'm a female, so I only have sex with men, and I'm married, so man.
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5 ups
Sorry...I'm walking in an airport reading this....either way...just flip it.
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5 ups, 3 replies
When people, who are against homosexuality, say "homosexuality is a choice" they are talking about the behavior, not the inclination. Any homosexual could choose to be celebate (I'm not saying that they should).
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"...they are talking about the behavior, not the inclination."

You're correct. But that's the problem. They keep flipping back and forth between the attraction and the behavior. The attraction is not a choice; the behavior is. When people oppose discriminating against gays, they are coming at it from the attraction side of the coin, because that is immutable. But people who support discriminating against gays flip the coin over and make the issue about behavior, which is not immutable. They do that because it's easier to discriminate against someone based on something they can change/control rather than something they can't change/control.
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Oh, they really are talking about the inclination, I've asked quite a few about it, but some do think behaviorwise, which is still ridiculous. I mean, behavior is part of the package, and the behavior can be controlled, but you are an idiot if you think someone should hide themselves for their own sake. Idiots, indeed.
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Not exactly sure what you meant.
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Well that seems shallow.
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6 ups, 3 replies
I said homosexual, not heterosexual. We were created by God to "be with" the opposite sex. Man chose sin and homosexuality is a sin, according to God.

Now I know what you're going to reply with... "God isn't real," or "leave God and religion out of it." And my answer to you is, "I don't leave my God out of anything, since He is my creator and the creator of all. If you don't like that answer, moving along.
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5 ups, 2 replies
If you're not homosexual, how can you say if it's a choice or not?
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5 ups, 2 replies
I live according to the Bible. I read it every day and I study it. Homosexuality is just one of a number of sexual sins of the flesh. The Bible says it is a sin.

I don't hate homosexuals. I hate sin. There is a difference.
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5 ups, 2 replies
Is Left handedness also a choice? Lol....your fables are funny.
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6 ups, 2 replies
I don't really care what man says. Men lie, God does not. You can put your trust in man, I choose not to.
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6 ups, 1 reply
Yet you trust the men that wrote the bible.

Seems legit.

There have been nearly 3000 Gods so far but only yours actually exists.The others are silly made up nonsense. But not yours. Yours is real. (Ricky Gervais)
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Actually, God wrote the Bible through chosen prophets. So yes, I trust the Bible and what it says.

As for your witty idea that other gods don't exist, they do. The problem with these"gods" is that they are demons, not the one true God.

And quoting from an atheist "comic" doesn't really prove your point.
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These other gods are "demons?" That's your proof? That doesn't prove anything. You're just saying that. Saying that doesn't prove it. By the same logic, saying that God exists proves his existance. Those other religions view your god as a demon, so who is to trust? Nobody. Every religion has a massive depression in its logical core. So do all non-religious beliefs, but it's a matter of personal opinion. I mean, you don't think that way, you think everyone believes in your god but hates and rejects him, which is not true. Every single person has some different opinion religiously, no matter how small. So why do you treat every single bit of your religious beliefs like fact? The odds of you being 100% correct are one to infinity. Literally. The Bible is not proof. You have the right to believe it is the word of God, but it is not proof like you say. There IS no proof of those "other gods" being demons, you just made that up. It's possible, but the odds are infinitely slim. Few Christians believe that, anyways.
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Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it isn't truth. You can claim God doesn't exist all you wish, but that doesn't make it any less viable. And I wasn't trying to prove anything.
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4 ups, 1 reply
This comment has nothing to do with Homosexuality. Try again.
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Left handedness is....lets say "unfavorable" in the bible...is that a choice? There's no left handed gene....it must be a choice and those that choose be dealt with accordingly.
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Actually, it has been proven scientifically that left handedness is a trait passed down. But again, that is a far cry from arguing homosexuality "genetics."
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Did you know most gay people have heterosexual parents?

Sort of like right handed parents having left handed kids.

Weird huh?
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1 up, 2 replies
I don't dispute any of that. But what I mean is, as an orientation, as feelings of sexual attraction, how do you know people aren't born with those attractions, just as you were born attracted to women?
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2 ups, 2 replies
I should clarify: I don't dispute that you read and study the Bible and that it says homosexuality is a sin or that you don't hate them. I do dispute that it is a sin, or the very existence of sin itself, but that's a different topic entirely.
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2 ups, 2 replies
I suppose if it is proven scientifically that humans are born gay, then I would have to comply. However, it will not be proven since the Bible does not lie, since it is the written word of God. And God does not lie.
6 ups
When you say the Bible can't lie, you are saying it cannot be wrong, which by extension is saying that your interpretation of it can't be wrong, which by extension, in a way, is saying that you can't be wrong. But you can be wrong. Your interpretation of the Bible can be wrong. The people who wrote the Bible could be wrong. And the Buble itself can be wrong.
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Well I know a gay guy and he doesn't lie either and he says it's not a choice.
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1 up, 1 reply
My interpretation of the Bible could be wrong on some issues, but that's why I go to church and fellowship with stronger Christians who know more about the Bible than I do. Now coming back to the argument that homosexuality is a sin...the Bible is quite clear on sexual sins (sins of the flesh). Romans 1:26-28
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This is a bit of proof: http://www.livescience.com/50058-being-gay-not-a-choice.html
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I was not born attracted to women (and I'm a dude, btw).

I was born attracted to when I would eat next and shitting in my diaper.

I wasn't attracted to women until the sixth grade when the 8th grade girl in my middle school play leaned over to apply my stage makeup and I saw down her shirt and got a good look at her rack.
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0 ups, 1 reply
Y'know, not everybody believes in God, or even capital "G" God. I mean, Christians even think that God accepts homosexuality as a part of society. Your viewpoints are droplets of water in an ocean of different beliefs, even within Christianity. And then, the Bible says that God creates everyone to be exactly how they are. Exactly. But you're gonna mention some other part of the Bible that contradicts that. How is one claim more signifigant than the other? And how don't these contradictions lead to you rejecting the Bible. I mean, if God is an unchanging being and there are these contradictions, why don't you reject it?
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Contradictions? There are no contradictions in the Bible. And these "Christians" that say God accepts homosexuality are not really living according to God's devine plan. Homosexuality, along with many other sins of the flesh, is wrong in God's eyes. So it really doesn't matter what someone who claims to be a Christian tells you, it's what God says, not man. Joel Osteen claims to be a Christian, but he does not preach the Bible. He is a "feel-good" talking point preacher.
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Noah's Ark: Said to take to of every animal on to the ship, then soon after, said 7 pairs of clean animals, and one pair of dirty animals. Supposedly only 81,000 types of animal would be on the planet right now, since the Bible WOULD despise of evolution, why are there over 6.7 million species on Earth now?

People who are faithful in God are treated well according to the Bible, and Job was tortured by God for having faith in him.

There are many more. http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html
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0 ups, 2 replies
If you read Job you will see that in the end God did indeed treat him extremely well! That's the point! I believe the bible (I've studied it) and I believe that God used/uses/will use evolution. There did not need to be 81,000 species on the ark. The bible says mankind is special because,of all species,he gave us a spirit & he is spirit.
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But the ark was only a few thousand years ago, evolution on that level cannot occur.
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Some people use that argument. I do know that certain charicteristics are wiped out quickly such as light moths in a dark environment. Dog breeds change radically through selective breeding. If God exists then he was certainly able to speed up the process of differentiation. And I absolutely do not see the earth as created in 4004 B.C.! It was one option I was taught though. It is not in the bible. I think a whoooole lot of damage was caused by teaching that as doctrine & it's relatively recent teaching. Did dinosaurs, Neanderthals,etc. exist--of course. And God in the bible with an infinite knowledge had to communicate in simple terms to us. There has been so much taught as truth (by interpretation) which is wrong! Errors of presumption...or worse an agenda...
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Well, going from 81,000 to 6,700,00 is hundreds of thousands of times more signifigant than dog to wolf. I mean, when the animals got back on to land, the conditions they were put into were similar to before they got on (not implying I believe in Noah's Ark). The conditions for wolves changed drastically. Although I guess if he is real he would've done something like that.
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Well we don't know exactly because we weren't there, I guess. I would like to know, though. I don't think the conditions were all that similar...it was a catastrophe with legends around the world about it. I'm not going to be stupid & say I know the answer to that one. I do look at the geological record. I have a degree in science, but not biology.
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Not sure what you're getting at about the ark. I can't comment on that unless you explain. As for Job, God did not torture him. Satan tortured him, but only as much as God would allow.

And just because someone is faithful toward God does not mean your life will be all sunshine and rainbows. In fact, the Bible says that "narrow is the path to righteousness and few will choose this path and wide and straight I'd the path to wickedness." There will be many hardships or "torture," as you call it. Read the entire book of Job and you'll see the entire story.
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This is very easy.
1) There is no word for homosexuality in the bible.
2) Jesus never spoke a word about male on male relationships.
3) The old testament was thrown out by the new testament when Jesus died for our sins. Just like the fact that you can wear different fibers, grow different crops, those laws were thrown out in the new testament.
4) In the new testament, there are 3 small passages that refer to the greek work sodomite, which accurately translated strictly means "male prostitute". It was mentioned alongside regular prostitutes, thieves and adulterers.

Going to Christian private school, I learned a lot about how the bible has been translated so many times over the centuries. In fact, if you look at an 17th century bible as I did, there are many differences in the text.
I believe that God inspired the bible through the apostles, but that over time along with everything else, Man has corrupted many parts of it. You dont think so?
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Man does corrupt it, but it is not corrupt in itself. The New Testament -fulfilled- the law of the Old Testament which God clearly says not one person can live up to. That's why Jesus died, because we all sin.
You make great points about the uses of language describing sexual sin. God is not against homosexuals in particular! He so clearly indicates that sexual sin of all types messes everyone up. And I don't find the "M word" in the bible either, not even with Onan. Can I say that it is not a great thing to do, but some Christians have made a whole big honking deal out of it previous decades. Caused unmeasurable guilt & pain. 'God is looking for ways to reward us, not to punish us' is one of the most perceptive things my bible believing, born again, "reasonable" pastors ever said. He didn't hammer on politics, abortion (except for healing & forgiveness), homosexuality, etc. he did clearly warn us about sexual sinS.
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2 ups, 3 replies
And just as I respect your choice to believe that, You must also respect others "choice" to be gay.
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4 ups, 1 reply
Respecting their choice isn't accepting their choice. It's up to them and God.
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4 ups
Well how about respecting their choice and make the damn cake. If your job is to make wedding cakes and gays start getting married you get more business.
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I respect that someone has that choice & that many many people feel like they were born to it. Everybody has to deal with sexual behaviors. I also believe that it IS strongly affected by hormones, pheromones, exposure to it, puberty, and sexual and/or mental abuse. Just like I'm affected by bipolar disorder. Does not make ANY of us 'throw-away people' in God's eyes! We all have made/make/will make sinful choices. I have great respect for everybody who disciplines their behavior, i.e.: homo AND hetero people. Hypocrisy is saying we are better because we 'follow the rules'. We are only made better by accepting Jesus & following (NOT mindlessly--do I sound stupid to everybody?) him. He 'legally attributes' perfection to us (as in heaven) because Jesus died to pay the penalty for our sin. We're told to follow him with our whole being & not to be hypocrites about it. Please forgive Christians who have showed rejection & judgement-- that does not come from God. AND most Christians in the churches I have attended in the last 20 years agree with just about everything I've said. MOST. Don't believe the media!
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Or to be pedophiles (with consenting partners), or beastiality, or polygamist, or whatever floats their sexual boat.
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It isn't, you can't just f**king make yourself hard when you see a guy. That's ridiculous. It's a matter of the testosterone to estrogen ratio. You're an idiot if you don't know this. And when did you make the choice to become heterosexual, exactly?
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And this is what will happen when discrimination is allowed... Race riots,economic collapse and murders motivated by hate.
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4 ups, 1 reply
Did anyone post a sign that said " we have the right to refuse service"
And did they consider just outragiously overcharging for a service they disagree with.
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8 ups, 2 replies
The "right to refuse service" sign might work, but I think they would need an actual reason to refuse service other than "we don't agree with gay marriage". Also, overcharging wouldn't really serve any purpose, since these people are more concerned about their principles than profit in this case.
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7 ups, 1 reply
Every private business has the right to refuse service to whomever they feel like refusing service to. Just like I have the right to not do business with them.

The issue most conservatives have with this scenario is government interference where it does not have the right to interfere. The federal government has no constitutional right to force a business to do business with whomever they wish not to do business with.

This meme captures the frustration perfectly, in my opinion.
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I was looking for a place to jump in and say it, or see if it was said. Your second paragraph captures it well.

The central issue is the First Amendment. If a Christian is being forced to do something against his or her religion, that's OK?

I always flip the scenario. What if I went into a deli that I knew was owned and operated by a muslim and demanded a BLT? If I don't get it, could I sue. Probably not, and the media would probably take his side!
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6 ups, 2 replies
It's a war on Christians and Christian values. This would have never happened if the cake makers were Muslim and they refused to make a "gay cake." These people went to this cake maker because they knew what the outcome would be and the money they could receive. It was a set up and almost everyone knows this.
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That's true! I didn't have to go to the BLT scenario, muslims are just as (or more so) against homosexuality than Christians. Muslims behead people for that in other countries.

I guess that you don't need a wedding cake if you don't have a head. Problem solved.
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3 ups, 1 reply
No, no its not. If a store refused to service Christians, and stated that, they would be sued on religious discrimination. You have the right to refuse service, but you do not have the right to refuse service based on discrimination. If you ordered a ham sandwich from a Jewish Deli, they are not going to have it... thats not discrimination. If you order something else, they will make it for you like everyone else. If you were to order something off their menu and they said no because you were a Christian, then yes that would be discrimination. Its really not that hard.
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Except that no one goes to a Muslim owned bakery and sues them for refusing to make a cake for a gay wedding. They don't do that because they know it wouldn't be politically expedient. We're so quick to offend Christians and their values, but we leave Muslims alone because no one wants to piss them off. Even president Obama will be quick to defend Muslims and quick to insult Christians.

Private businesses do have the right to refuse business to anyone. They are not part of a government entity and therefore not regulated by the government.
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I don't exactly think that you could find a company that would advertise "We proudly discriminate against Christians" - that's just a funny mental picture that popped into my head, I hope we can agree that is funny?!

You do have to admit that some forms of Christianity are discriminated against. Catholics, for example...there was some doubt that JFK would get elected because he was Catholic. And, it's still cool for some people to mock and degrade Mormons, Amish, Jehovah's Witness, etc.

In the above examples, sadly, it is Christian on Christian hatred. Funny world, funny "religion". That's why I don't participate in an "organized religion". My relationship with the dude is between me and Him.
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1 up, 2 replies
I mean a price no one would even think about paying
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4 ups, 1 reply
Just bake a crappy cake. Lots of salt and pepper. Honest mistake.
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2 ups
I wouldn't try to ruin my reputation too.
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Yeah, that's illegal.
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2 ups, 1 reply
Same offense, different victim
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0 ups
(Based on their orientation)
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0 ups
If I were gay and someone didn't want to bake me a cake, I wouldn't force them. I would worry what would be IN the cake!
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I'm 100% for the equality of race, creed, gender identity and sexual orientation. However, I believe if a person privately owns their own store, discrimination against patronage should be at their leisure. After all, it's literally their own business.

If I had a store, I wouldn't serve people with stupid piercings, like eyebrows or like gauges, and I wouldn't serve foreigners if I can't understand them clearly.
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