Funny how certain principles are only valid when it's suddenly convenient for your side of an argument

I don't give a shit about red cups, pink cups, blue cups or any other colored cup - or snowflakes, reindeer and Christmas trees. I don't give a shit about gays, lesbians, homosexuals or any derivitive thereof; its their business.... up until they try to force it upon a private business and that businesses values and beliefs. If I'm in the coffee business, I have no obligation to put snowflakes on a coffee cup just because someone thinks they are somehow entitled to such because it fits their agenda. Likewise, if I'm in the cake making business, I should be allowed to bake - or not bake - a cake for anyone for any reason. Feel discriminated against? Don't shop there - move on, dammit.

Absolutely. Leave the business owners to run their businesses how they see fit. Customers can vote with their feet.

Exactly. It's not like there are no other bakeries. If a "gay" bakery set up shop and refused to cater to heterosexuals, they'd just move on to another bakery, not whine, cry, complain, and sue.

Also I think the other key distinction is - they weren't refusing to cater to homosexuals. They had served homosexuals before, and that wasn't the issue (you don't need to announce your sexual preference to go into a bakery).

They were refusing to do something that violated their conscience and religious belief (making a cake for a function they felt went against God's will - they didn't want to participate in it, by making the cake).

It wasn't about whether the people were homosexual, or not. (Ie, if the gay couple had asked a heterosexual friend to go into the bakery and ask for a gay wedding cake, it still would have been refused - it's not about who they were as people at all).

That makes a huge difference to the issue.

Or a "black" bakery or a "jew" bakery ...yeah. screw em all.

I'm pretty sure that's not what he meant.

Discrimination is discrimination. If a bakery doesn't want to serve Mexicans they should be able to according to all these "owners rights" people...right? Why stop at gay people? Just call it "Straight White Christians Only Bakery" and be done with it.

The problem with that comment is that I can't tell wether you're sarcastic or not, so i'm going to make two different replies to this.

Non Sarcasm: No. That's kind of Jim Crow isn't it? And I think what he meant (if it wasn't clear at first for you) was a shop owned by gays or a shop owned by normal people. Nobody would allow "Straight White Christians Only Bakeries" either because, as I said, it's discrimination. If they refuse to serve you, give them a bad rating on a restaurant app and move on to the next one. It's not like you're forced to shop there. Go to the next one!

Sarcastic: Yeah, it's discrimination alright, but making a whole bakery for straight white christians is illegal. Anywho, the point is that if people show discrimination or hate towards you in a shop or restaurant, then leave and give 'em a bad rating on an app, and leave. Nobody needs to be forced to do anything.

Let's rate discriminatory businesses on Yelp. Yeah let's do that instead of uphold the Constitution and protect the rights of everyone.

I'm just saying that nobody needs to make a big deal over everything.

Right. If it's not a big deal to you then they need to shut up.

God I hope people don't start to tread on your rights because you're ________ (fill in the blank with whatever you are)

In this case it was the rights of the business owners that needed to be protected.

Can we get a Confederate Flag cake or a KKK cake???

The right to discriminate? Why is discrimination against gay people ok?

I feel like I've already addressed your question, and I feel like you're loading the question by saying "Why is discrimination against gay people ok," because I don't think any discrimination against gay people took place at all.

If I came into a bakery asking for a sports cake, and the business owner said "Sorry I don't want to do sports cakes" I might raise my eyebrows, but I'd just move on and find another bakery that would. No discrimination would have taken place at all.

I don't think that any discrimination against gay people occurs when a baker says "I don't want to bake a cake for a gay marriage." It's about the cake, not the people.

I believe the discrimination in question is against the business owner, and their right to provide the products and services while also following freedom of religion.

You feel you answered the question but you haven't. If you FEEL discrimination against gay is NOT ok say so. Even if you feel gas aren't being discruminated against in this case.

However they are. In your own example: you want a "sports" cake and the baker doesn't want to make sports cakes. You move on. Fine. ANYONE that wants sports cakes has to move on. No discrimination there. However if they make sports cakes all the time but won't make ONLY "gay" sports cakes....and typically FOR gay people asking for them....then yeah there's some discrimination going on. Just admit it.

You simply can't be this obtuse.

As I understand it, they weren't discriminating against gay people.

If a heterosexual person had asked them to make a cake for someone else's gay wedding, they still would have refused.

I can't respond to your comment so I have to respond to mine:

A cake is a cake. A wedding cake is a wedding cake except MAYBE there were two little men or two little women on the top. I mean really....do you think it was a Rainbow wedding cake with gay sex acts happening on top with the little people.

I mean, really. Be serious. And then answer the real question: Why is discriminating against gay people OK? Would a bakery's refusal to make Christian themed cakes be ok with you? Or Kwanzaa? Or 3 kings day cakes?

Most blonde people are white. PLEASE can we agree on that?
So if a black owned bakery said: "We don't want to make Blonde people cakes." That would be ok?

we all know whats going on here, your skirting the real issue.

Just address my question: Why is discrimination against gays ok?

No, because your skin color isn't a choice. Your sexual preference is.

When did you choose to be straight?

Everyone is born straight. It's a natural occurrence within nature. Man has choice, unlike other animals. There is absolutely no evidence of a "gay gene."

There's no gene for heterosexuality either.
See the problem there?

There are plenty of other documented gay animals other than humans.

I understand that, but those claiming to be gay by birth have nothing to prove they are. And I'm a Christian and believe what the Bible tells me. According to God, homosexuality is a sin, just as pre marital sex and sex with animals.

You have nothing to say you are heterosexual by birth.
Weird.

Yep, I think that's pretty well said.

So, what if it's not the business itself, but some employees that deny service?

I totally agree.

I think we should all agree that this is no longer the "College Liberal" template, but now the "Astounding Hypocrite" template.

Aren't those synonymous?

Very nearly, but not quite.

I have an even better example. Once, I think it was Office Depot did not allow a woman to print Anti Abortion posters. They thought it would be offensive to pro-choice people. Liberals came out of the woodwork calling the woman such a baby because she could just do her business elsewhere and it was their right to refuse service. Yet only a few months earlier was the whole bakery thing and the argument was flip flopped.

Starbucks serves everyone and doesn't discriminate based on sexuality, color, etc. What's NOT on a cup shouldn't matter. If there was a pentagram with 666 on it even a flaming liberal like me would say..."thats offensive"...would the conservatives defend their right to do that?

There's a difference between disagreeing with something a business does and having it be legally required to do something against the owner's will.

Would a bakery's refusal to make Christmas or Easter themed cakes be legal?

Yes.

Somehow I doubt that.

It would be illegal to refuse to sell a cake to someone because they were a Christian or Jew or (insert religion) but it would not be illegal to refuse to make a Christmas or Easter or (insert religious holiday) cake.

Hmmm....hard to prove since it seems all the discriminatory bakeries are Christians refusing to serve gays.

Christians are not the only ones that refuse to serve gays *cough cough* Islam *cough* and some "Christians" do serve homosexuals, like the pope :)

Well I never see muslim bakeries refusing gays in the news. Must be a left wing liberal conspiracy.

Oh wait. I never see muslim bakeries ever.

That's because the media doesn't cover everything, it never says "Muslim kills homosexual" instead it would say "middle aged man tries to kill older man", I thought you would know to never trust or believe the media but instead you should do your own research for example the gender pay gap which the media makes a big deal of when we all know it isn't real. This is just to show that the media is extremely biased and would say anything to get more viewers for all we know the earth could be flat and we wouldn't know because the media says its round

They didn't call the planned parenthood shooter a crazy Christian either. Or thst kid that killed black people in Carolina. Just 2 off the top

Precisely why you shouldn't believe the media, and well maybe he wasn't christian since the bible says DO NOT MURDER, there are "Christians" and then there are Christians, some are there for the title and others are there to serve our lord and savior

Unfortunately, gays are not one of the groups protected from discrimination by federal laws. Anyway, any business owner who turns away business in this economy is an idiot. If you feel strongly about it, vote with your wallet. That's what I do.

If you were a Christian who is willing to die for his savior you would know it is not going to hurt you but instead benefit you "blessed are those who are persecuted for reighteusness sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven"

Doesn't understand the difference between discrimination and freedom of choice; Runs to IMGFLIP to show all his friends.