Third World Skeptical Kid

To summ up, volunteers believe in their country so they go to war. I don't like this idea of being "educated" to save your country's interests in a war you gain nothing but i'll accept it. Who's in the right or wrong doesn't really matter to them. Which matters is their own idea of making the "right thing". So in a final exam i portrait 'em as crusaders; "they fight because they believe it's the right thing to do", hope this mindset will fade away with 'em. Don't fight for other peoples' interests, don't fight people you don't even know. if want wealth study and make it happen. Don't be patriotic if it means your comrades are only the ones on your side. Don't make me ever hear again that people fight because they believe, because that means they are no different from religious pricks and they might be plainly fooled.That's all.

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Works for me, just pointing out the facts. Still out of curiosity, what are you proud of exactly?

Proud of preserving the country?
Sorry guys, but this idealistic world with no weapons is never going to work, someone always wants someone dead. And sometimes, it's a country.

Amen... ! "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." -Thomas Jefferson

Are you an American citizen? If not.. i understand. If so.. i dont. . And won't bother trying. I'm a naturalized citizen.. was not born here in the USA, .. but am a vet and proud to be here. Period. Sorry you don't see how great this country is.. I'm proud!

I'm not american and i understand the will of preserve and protect. But the thing i cannot quite understand well is that soldiers are in fact preserving not their country (in general) but the interests of their countries. Say you are ok with war, but once you look up at how that war came to be you realize you are fighting an enemy that is not evil but is just in the way of your country's interest. So you have clashing interests and that in the end breaks war -But- again you didn't begin the clash,neither did the enemy you both are following the desire from people above....so again, i don't get how you preserve and defend a group of people that started conflict and makes you fight for 'em.

Semantics. Preserving your country as a soldier. . Is in fact preserving the interest of your country. As a non-US citizen who has never volunteered your service to that of this country.. you cannot, understand this. Soldiers in the USA are not conscripted, they volunteer 100%. Simply put, if they did not believe in their country, they would not volunteer.

So let me see if i get this right. Soldiers in the USA volunteer because they think that their struggle is correct, so they think they are on the good side? Even if they go to the other side of the world to claim resources. I don't intend to mock anyone, i just really don't understand which steps a normal person do to believe, fight and die so that their country gets wealth taking it straight from others.

It sounds like Gladiusdei has mapped it out to you. I'm done. I agree with his perspective. I will not comment further.

I'm not sure where you got that America is stealing resources from other countries, but I can assure you that we don't do that.

I kind of agree with you on the fact that we are always getting in other peoples buissiness, such as the conflicts in the Middle East. Only for us to give support, and then have them turn around and squander it. Honestly, I think we should sever all support in the Middle East, although Obama is being a massive idiot and not cleaning out potential threats *cough cough, ISIS, cough* before he does. Iran supports ISIS, and if we give them a Nuke, I can only hope it misfires before it gets to ISIS's hands.

The worst side of this whole story is that the MEME was supposed to speak about african kids that were obliged to become soldiers, then people thought it was about america and i got carried away too...damn. However it was a good debate... if that matter is set now well...FREE UPVOTES FOR ALL.

You said your not a citizen of America - so what country are you from? It sounds like people are forced into military where you're from. The US is an all volunteer military - no one is forced into service. So yes - people actually volunteer - even during war time because they belive in the USA. Your meme makes it sound like volunteering is less than honorable or a stupid thing to do. I recommend you never take that attitude with an American soldier. They are proud and most of us in America are proud of them.

Again, i understand that people volunteer. I don't understand why would they if the cause is somehow twisted. Why bring arm to others, if it was my country to start conflict on their home because it wanted their stuff? They hit me and i respond...but i have to respond because it was me to hit first. if i didn't start a conflict in the other side of the world i wouldn't have an enemy to battle to begin with... so my question is: How they can convince a person to volunteer if th

sorry, i made a typo, i was saying.. How can they convince a person to volunteer if the cause of the conflict was my country attacking first? Did they made it like the other country was a menace while they started it all?

Yeah - The US just attacks for no reason - like other euro countries? Here's a list of Muslim attacks around the world - show me where the US did anything without provocation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

here's a suggestion - make a meme on why muslims flock to a murderous cult called ISIS? If you want to talk about twisted ideologies....? There's an example! Ever see ISIS or Al queada give aid to a country? I don't see the American military cutting off heads - but ISIS does it daily and are so sick - they post the pictures / videos on line. How twisted is that? Next time there is an earth quake or Tsunam that kills a few hundred thousand people - lets see if the USA helps - or ISIS? There you have it. Now you have a subject to meme about - a murdering cult that kills in the name of Allah. And in your words: "Muslims actually want to join ISIS?"

I got you on that one. ISIS came to be because people wanted an all arab country, but europeans and america where in the way, then israel was born, from there a huge mess began creating these terrorist groups supported by ethnic beliefs. so yeah. this was europe+USA's fault going where no one called 'em. Still don't feel provocated. I still merely want to know the causes of volunteers going to war.

Israel is in the right on this one. They have owned that land for many more centuries than the Muslims have.
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Before i answer let me see if my info was right, wasn't israel sort of created by European countries (France above all) to have a hold on the east, and then, while giving religious excuses, they indeed planted a country there, making this controversy a mess?

No, the Israelites were cast out of their country during the reign of the Roman Empire, and were sort of nomadic exiles wandering and being conquered by many peoples. It wasn't until the 1900s that they got their land back, but it wasn't easy for them to hold it as their religious beliefs, and the fact that the land previously belonged to them, (conquered many years before) caused the surrounding Muslim territories to attack them as soon as European presence was gone.

Twisted to you... not them or they would not volunteer. You're commenting on a patriotic idea you can no way understand because you not an American - or American Soldier. I have no idea what conflicts you're talking about. It sounds pretty obvious that you are A: a Muslim thats pissed about military actions in the mideast & B: forget history. C: every country in the world that is suddenly hit with a disaster - always calls on US aid - then bashes the hell out of Americans after recieving help. Your criticisms are unfounded and plain inappropriate. If the US is so bad - why are immigranys flocking here by the millions? I dont see Americans flocking to the mideast or muslim countries. Correct? There's a reason for that - and I'll let you stew on why.