Pro Life vs Abortion Abolition

The entire Infanticide industry is predicated on profit. Nothing else. If it was about women's unwanted pregnancy they'd focus on birth control. Instead they ficus on a pricy surgical procedure that nets them thousands in profit per Infanticide.

Listen: Both the Pro Life and the Biological experts agree that life begins at conception, so what we must look at here is: Is a Fetus Actually a Legal Person?

Well, the 14th Amendment says, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States." In this case, the word "Born" implies that the baby is already born. I may be wrong But I am using "Citizens" in a broad sense

But if we look back to the biological definition of a living organism, the organism has to 1. Reproduce (although this is moot due to it actually happening at puberty), 2. use and obtain energy independently, and 3. process information. A fetus can't obtain energy independently, nor process information until viability.

Under my philosophy, A fetus is only a developing potential life that is in the grey area of personhood; the more its developed, the clearer it becomes. And when it becomes viable to pain sensation, it is fully a person and must be finished (unless that is, the mother is having an emergency). Even though it is a person at that point, the mother has priority over the fetus in terms of rights, as per a long-standing generic international standard that must be upheld. Therefore, a fetus is a person at Viability and sentience and must not be aborted unless the mother (whose rights trump the fetus') is suffering an emergency that requires the abortion.

This is just my interpretation of the definitions, but I would Love To hear Your Definitions in Detail.

No we don't need to do that. Human rights begin when the human being does a conception.

This excuses you are giving is no different than this here:

The Three-Fifths Compromise was a agreement reached during the 1787 United States Constitutional Convention. It determined how enslaved people would be counted when calculating a state's total population for legislative representation and taxation. The Three-Fifths Compromise legally established that an enslaved person counted as only three-fifths of a free person.
You think like a slave holder did.

And a newborn will die without help for several years. You're not making any points here just excuses.

Your philosophy is based on nonsense. Bias cherry picked subjective arbitrary reasoning. The unborn a alive that is a fact. You do know that there are genetic disorders that cause people to have the inability to feel pain right? Pain, heartbeat, brain activity do not give us value being a human being does and that starts at conception. The mother & Baby have equal rights. No one has the right to Murder another innocent human being. There is no emergency that requires this. This myth is only the excuse of those who wish to kill the baby at anytime on a whim.

You've never studied pregnancy have you? What happens when a woman has an ectopic pregnancy?

In the majority of ectopic pregnancy the baby has already died or soon will.

And what happens when it keeps growing?

Didn't you study pregnancy? As I said In most ectopic pregnancies the baby has already died and but the surrounding placental cells can keep multiplying, growing. It isn't illegal and never has been to remove the baby's remains. I don't think you know what you are talking about and using this as an excuses to justify any abortion.

https://newrepublic.com/post/215502/ken-paxton-sued-family-woman-died-denied-abortion

https://newrepublic.com/post/215502/ken-paxton-sued-family-woman-died-denied-abortion

"But if we look back to the biological definition of a living organism, the organism has to 1. Reproduce (although this is moot due to it actually happening at puberty), 2. use and obtain energy independently, and 3. process information. A fetus can't obtain energy independently, nor process information until viability."

Um. wha?

That's dumb. You think a Newborn is going to go get food and drink to power their body on their own? Human being start to process information in the Womb. You want to kill the child and don't even have a clue that we begin processing information in the womb but that is one of your reasons. Tierra Walker was a high risk patient who was sent home with several medical issues unrelated to the pregnancy. Killing her child wouldn't have cured those medical issues that killed her. Also the law allows her to kill the baby if the Doctors agree she is in danger. So to say the so called abortion ban killed her is a complete lie. These bad abortion law still allow the unjust killing of the child. You do not know what you are talking about and just making bad excuses.

Said unironically as how many years you've been here that you still don't know how a comment chain works, or even just simple quotation marks for that matter?

Here's how it works: quotation marks bookend quotes in order to indicate that said quotes are quotes. Now that quote that I'm quoting just so happens to be a quote that days ago you yourself addressed from that user that I was addressing today. And you have no recollection of this?

Now read my comment again. Read your comment again. And after you're done strawmanning me, get back to me.

So you're quoting someone that I responded to days ago, without any context as to why, and this is suppose to mean something to me?

Evidently you want it to.

ok.

My comment was reply to that user, that's why you didn't get a notification for it.

Not only are fetuses unable to get food and drink on their own, so are newborns, toddlers, children, teens, people in their twenties, middle aged, and elderly... Even if you go where hunter/gatherers still exist, not even they can get by without tools. They even need campfires in the tropics so that they won't die of exposure at night. Let that sink in.

Humans are the most helpless creatures on Earth. Even if they weren't, like all mammals at a minimum they are dependent on their mothers till adulthood. So the "independent of" argument is completely bogus.

Ok. Why are you rambling incoherently?

Get your Google translate fixed.

And here's a tip, when somebody's agreeing with you and giving you a better argument than you can ever put out, go with the flow on it.

Goodness gracious

I prefer to stay on the topic.

There are multiple scenarios where abortion is ok and/or necessary

There are Zero scenarios .

Rape, circumstances changing during pregnancy, etc.

Those are not good reasons to kill anyone. Why are you talking about harming the child conceived in Rape while not even considering the only one deserving of capital punishment is the rapist? There is no circumstance that requires you to end the life of your child. child sacrifice is evil and you know that.

By circumstance I meant before abortion, they could be able to support the child after birth, although things may happen, and then that means they can't support them after birth.and as for rape, they don't want the child.why would they want to support a child they literally got forces into having?People have free will.

Would you use that same argument to kill a born child? let's say a family with two older kids has a baby and then circumstance happens. The older children are much more expensive than the newborn. You don't have to kill the child you can give them up for adoption. that's what you're allowed to use your free will for not to murder them.

You can't f**king put a fetus in another womb

That's not adoption. And you're fully capable of not killing your own child.

WHAT THE F**K IS ADOPTION BECAUSE WHAT I ASSUME IT IS, THAT IS PARENTS BRINGING THEIR CHILD TO A PLACE FOR OTHER FAMILIES TO TAKE THEM IN,.IS APPARENTLY INCORRECT

Murder is a way to say bye to anyone. Why it is evil.

Their is no reason your child has to leave the womb they are in before it is time. Your son or Daughter doesn't have to die. Child Sacrifice is evil. You know this to be true.

No the f**k it isn't.you can't have surgery to remove the fetus because of how fragile they are so if they have to leave, they have to die

That didn't involve transferring from one womb to another womb did it. LOL.