More Leftist Logic

Scientists and activists and politicians are coming up with plans to try to reduce the effects of human activity on climate change, the problem is conservatives refuse to listen because they don't want to admit there is a problem

Brother it's been 60 f**king degrees in Denver for the last week
That is not normal
Climate change is real, and it is a complicated issue. We cannot pinpoint the exact effects it'll have but what we can pinpoint is what causes it
Here's the run down on how it works: UV light from the sun makes its way into the earth’s atmosphere which provides the planet with energy. The rays that do not get used up(about 30 percent) are reflected back into space as heat. But some of these waves collide with particles in the atmosphere such as carbon dioxide and methane which absorb the heat and traps it in the earth’s atmosphere. So if more gasses such as carbon dioxide and methane are released into the atmosphere by human activity, more heat is trapped by those gasses, therefore warming the planet at a higher rate. Hope this helps:)

Sure, climate change is real. The climate is always changing. It is clear to me that politicians and activists are pimping out climate change for power and money. They don't have any practical plan, but to scare people. Many times, their ideas make things worse. Look at Germany. They are screwed because of their green energy policy. They are burning more coal than ever because they closed their nuclear plants.

when scientists talk about climate change, they aren't talking about the normal change of the climate over long periods of time, they're talking about an increase in average global temperatures which humans are contributing to by doing things like burning fossil fuels. If you knew anything about the issue, you wouldn't be wrong all the time.

Can you show a graph of the global average temperature since the Cambrian explosion or further?

It's very simple the sun is burning hotter. All stars burn hotter as they age, the problem for leftists is you can't regulate the Sun so you blame man and regulate every aspect of his existence

Socialist arrogance. More government can fix everything, including the weather.

Too bad the actual experts don't agree with you

Still missing the point, Cheesy. What have leftist policies done to make anything better? They come up with stupid solutions that make energy more expensive and do nothing about CO2 emissions. How does mandating EVs do anything? What does blowing up dams and closing nuclear plants do? Why do people keep voting for these morons?

I'm not saying all of those solutions are what we need, but they are trying to do things that cut down on carbon emissions

"Experts say" two words that ooze arrogance and elitism

No, it just means that they know what they're talking about 😂😂 conservative anti intellectualism at its finest

Not these days, they use the expression experts say to shut down debate but if a person finds who is funding them then you find out how their opinion is bought and paid for

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Average increase in the Sun's temperature is something that stretches over millions of years, not decades or centuries.

There's a theory that I'm looking for that I ran into some years ago about solar activity like sunspots and ionized particles or something like that affecting cloud formation on Earth which would in turn affect the amount of sunlight hitting the Earth's surface. The theory suggests the reverse has been going on therefore less cloud formation and thus more sunlight reaching the surface and therefore hotter temperatures.

Sounds real blurry the way I'm putting it, that's why I'm looking for the theory and it ain't that easy because I don't know the right words to use and the current climate fad basically shoves it into the fringes. So it isn't exactly the first thing that's going to turn up in a Google.

There are other factors as well and such as the continued reduction of forest cover and increase in open areas for farmland as well as increasingly urbanized human zones which trap more sun and thus produce more heat. Since temperature measurements tend to be near where people live for obvious reasons, the readings are going to be higher.

For example, there are temperature-related planting zones referred to in gardening. New York City should be a Zone 6, at par with much of Pennsylvania, but instead it's Zone 7 which averages 10 to 15° higher, particularly during the winter. So New York City is 10 to 15 degrees hotter than it should be just because of all the tar and concrete and reduced forest cover.

Tokyo would be very equivalent of a Zone 7 if it wasn't for the city, but being a highly urbanized area with exceedingly far less parkland than other cities might have, it's actually warm enough to grow bananas.

So those are two examples where increasing spreading and density of human habitation has caused increases in local temperatures.

I'm tired, I have a bit of a headache, and I'm not making sense.

I know there is plenty that works into the rise in global temps and that the sun could be just one factor in it, I agree that since the industrial age started CO2 in the atmosphere has increased but that is oxygen to trees and plants, we should be more worried about clear cutting of forests than eliminating the internal combustion engine.

But as for the timing of things and that it'll be another billion years before the sun becomes an issue, it's my assertion that in thier calculations, the "experts" could have forgotten to "carry the one", which does happen, but they're too arrogant to admit it.

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That would take longer than the climate takes to shift to an ice age

Which is another question altogether, why the periodic ice ages that happen about every 32,000 yrs like clockwork? It has to do with the Earth's angle toward the sun where a few degrees angle more or less causes either an ice age or a period of warming, but again, you can't regulate the Earth same as you can't regulate the sun, so it's easier and more lucrative to government to regulate man and every aspect of his existence.

As you said, that takes 32000 years. Why are the temperatures going this high in a 32000 year cycle?

we've only been keeping records for the last 100 years or so, and I don't consider an average one or two degree difference a "spike". Riddle me this batman: I do refrigeration, I've taught it, up until 1850 or so people would cut ice from frozen ponds in winter and store it in icehouses to keep through summer and people would buy blocks of ice to put in thier iceboxes to keep thier food cool.

There was an abnormally warm winter that came along not allowing the ponds to freeze over which caused a shortage of ice available to use which forced the creation of mechanical refrigeration.

What caused the abnormally warm winter before the industrial age had even started?

a fluke, one that did not span multiple years. And for your first point, 1/100>50/32000

So we should have just rode it out, thereby never creating freon, which would have never "created" an ozone hole, and never started the chain reaction of "global warming"??

Fun fact: ozone is created daily by sunlight, at night there is very little ozone overhead, meaning a place like antarctica that is dark 6 months of the year would have an "ozone hole", especially when even in antarctic summer where it is light for 6 months it would still be weak, seeing as the light reaching it is at a glancing angle, not directly on like at the equator.

It would be weak, not annihilated

Actually they haven't. Temperatures have been quite a bit lower then they should have been compared to previous interglacial periods. Continental drift can't account for it, nor gas levels... Scientists cannot explain why.

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Things created by humans, like factories and automobiles, are regulated by humans 😂😂

Every regulation is one less freedom I'm not saying that there should be no regulation but it's a balancing act of asking is it necessary

And history shows us that corporations fight against even basic common sense regulations if they get in the way of profit

And they pass the cost of those regulations onto the consumer in the cost of the end product and so they still make their profit it's the consumer who pays

I'm perfectly fine paying a little more for a product if it means there are regulations in place to keep the workers and the environment safe

Like I said I am not completely anti-regulation the USDA was brought in to keep our food safe last thing I want is to drink milk that's contaminated same as meat processing plants but some is overreach in the AC industry locking caps were mandated so no one could come along and huff the freon to get high off of the one on the suction line sweats eventually gets seized up and can't be removed and so what do we do? We install a port minus a locking cap so we can do what we need to do and all it does is cost of the consumer big bucks to take the freon out install the tap pull the vacuum put the freon back in get it back up and running it's an unnecessary regulation if someone is going to go get high they're going to go get high and if they can't Huff freon they'll go huff gasoline regulations need to be weighed with a cost benefit analysis always asking is it really necessary in the first place but Democrats and leftists and statists never saw a regulation they didn't like because it's control and they love control some people get high off of huffing gasoline leftists get high controlling people

It's also been colder than normal for the last couple of months here in New York and the rest of the Northeast. A lot colder.

That's why the limiting term of global warming was switched to the all encompassing "climate change".

Exactly. Temperatures were going up in the 1980s and 90s after the ice age cometh 70s, peaked in 1999, I was supposed to be able to grow mangoes were I live by 2014.... And instead temps started dipping 2000 on, so they came up with Climate Change as a replacement term.

It seems to me Time magazine was warning everyone of the coming next ice age in the 1970s then pivoted to the agreed upon new narrative. Don Henley of the Eagles had it pegged with his song dirty laundry before anyone else had even noticed what they were doing it's all about regulation and government control