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Happy Columbus Federal Holiday! Take the day off with pay, unless you're in the private sector. | Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand, I will prove that the world is round and that CO2 has absolutely nothing to do with weather or what they'll try to call climate. We'll pay for your round earth research, but nobody with a functioning brain would ever be stupid enough to think that CO2 controls the weather. | image tagged in columbus and isabella | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Think of Italian Cuisine w/o Tomatoes. Marinara, Pasta Sauce non-existent prior to Columbus.

Think of the Jewish Latkes, or French Fries 'Frites', or the Irish Famine w/o Potatoes

Think of Belgian Chocolate w/o Cocoa Beans

Think of Scottish or Irish Corn Mash Whisky w/o Corn.

Think of Cigars or Cigarettes, or Nicotine w/o Tobacco

Tomato, To-mahto, Potato, Po-tahto ;
Columbus changed the European crop scene and cuisine from the year 1500 onward.

Caesar never saw a tomato, let alone red pizza sauce
3 ups, 4w,
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But Caesar got the salad thing down without tomatoes, right? Good thing he could fill that void with croutons until Chris came along. LOL!
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Trying to deny that Climate exists is really something I haven't seen before. I'd love to hear where you got that idea from
1 up, 3w,
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Never said climate doesn't exist. Said CO2 does not control either weather or climate. Never has, never will. Here's the definition of climate from a respected 1966 collegiate dictionary-Noun- The composite or generalization of weather conditions of a region averaged over a series of years. Climate change is a political invention and a hoax, nothing in science supports it.
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Climate Change is an observed phenomenon and is supported by basic chemistry -- all remotely complex gases absorb infrared radiation eacaping the Earth (heat) and re emit it back towards Earth. This takes place with all gases in the atmosphere with more than two constituent atoms.
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Just to add to my previous statement, the Greenhouse effect that causes climate change was first proposed as a theory/discovered by Joseph Fourier (one of the most important mathematicians in history) in 1824. The earliest known time someone predicted a link between human carbon emissions and climate change was in 1912 in a Kiwi newspaper I've included above. If it's a hoax, who was there to benefit from it in 1824, or 1912?
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No disrespect intended, but try this simple exercise. We are told the 350 parts per million CO2 is maximum limit of CO2 in the atmosphere, The addition of 50 parts per million puts the climate at a "tipping point." I did gas measurement for a living, so I can visualize this, but for your benefit, create a scale model of these proportions. Draw one million dots, shade 350 a wholesome green and shade 50 of them a climate changing red. There is no way 50 parts per million has this overstated impact on climate. NASA had satellite imagery showing CO2 concentrations around the world showing areas downwind of rainforests (such as the Amazon Rainforest) with over 3000 ppm CO2, at the poles where there no vegetative matter the readings are almost zero. Commercial greenhouses elevate CO2 concentrations to 2000 ppm to increase yields.
Now for scientifically proven physics. CO2 is a transparent, clear, odorless gas. The Law of Equilibrium dictates that if CO2 reflects heat back to the earth, it would reflect at least an equal amount back into space. It would be self equalizing. Gas Laws of physics contradict the theory of CO2 induced climate change. The atmosphere is not laminar (consistent layers) but is turbulent (swirls and mixing) so there is no such thing as 350 ppm, it varies all over the atmosphere. Saying there is an average temperature of earth is equally absurd. Average the temperatures of the poles against the average temperature of Death Valley (where the highest recorded temperature is measured) and the "average temperature" of the earth is around zero degrees. To determine an average temperature of earth would require trillions of data points, but even if it was determined it would be information of little value.
Temperature readings from satellite observation are not accepted for recording record highs and lows by all national weather services. According to statisticians, satellite data is unreliable, and has really only been available since the 1990s. The earth has been much warmer in the recorded and geologic past, as well as colder.
I could go on, but if you are determined to hold to the view that mankind is destroying the planet, it wouldn't produce anything. I published a well received paper about 10 years ago that was viewed internationally showing specifically how every science disproves the theory of climate change.
The early sources you cite are either influenced by or influenced the Malthusian theory that the world will run out of resources.
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One additional point, CO2 readings in the higher layers of the atmosphere are statistically insignificant. Almost all CO2. as a heavier molecule. is found withing 1500 feet of the surface the earth, be it mountain or valley. Ironically this is precisely where it is needed most by plant life, which sustains life on earth.
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Saying there is an average temperature is quite reasonable. The question is how useful that metric is, and it is useful for one thing - trends in weather and temperature. We do not need trillions of data points for this - Earth has 200 million square miles of surface area. If we put a weather station in each square mile, and take 1 measurement every day, we get 73bn data points. In reality, we do not need this many, because temperature does not wildly change every day, every square mile. The pre-industrial average temperature (the 1850-1900 average) is not 0, be that °C, °F, or Kelvin (though I'll stick with Kelvin from now on because it's easiest). Average temperature was roughly 288K (15°C or 59°F). Now that has moved up to around 289-290K. This should be all I need to prove it's real, but let's continue.
78% of the atmosphere is nitrogen, 21% is oxygen and 0.9% is argon. These three are not greenhouse gases, as they have either one or no chemical bonds in their molecular structure. This leaves 0.1% of the Earth's atmosphere (by volume) to be greenhouse gases, or 1,000ppm. Space's temperature is around 3K, meaning those 1,000ppm greenhouse gases heat the Earth from 3K to 288K, or by 285K. Basic maths tells us that 1ppm of greenhouse gas causes 0.29K of temperature increase. Now, the reality is lower than this for a variety of factors (the sun heats up the space around Earth slightly, the gases only insulate at night, etc). So yes, 50ppm does mean a significant increase.
The law of equilibrium is correct. An infrared photon leaving the Earth strikes a CO2 molecule, exciting one of its electrons. That electron de-excites, emitting another infrared photon. That photon has a 50/50 chance of going back to Earth or into space. Without the CO2, it had a 100% chance of leaving Earth. Hence heating.
I'm not sure what greenhouse CO2 concentration has to do with anything, given that it's done because plants use CO2 in photosynthesis.
Now I would really love to see NASA's imagery of 3000ppm, if you could send that, please do. Same goes for your paper, I would love to read it. I would also love to hear about the statisticians who say satellite data is unreliable, especially since statisticians dont usually concern themselves with the workings of satellites.
As for your claim regarding geological periods, it is true. However, humans did not evolve in the Carboniferous period (300mya). We are not suited for different temperatures. Life will go on. Human life won't.
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Widely change? Where I live in Colorado we just went from a high of 83 degrees to a low of 28 degrees the following morning. Fifteen years ago I was sent to work in Wyoming in mid-January. The day I arrived I was required to shave my winter beard because we were working in a gas field with H2S, which required the ability to put on tight fitting Scott pack masks if there were a release of the extremely deadly gas. It was 60 degrees that day, that night an arctic front moved in and the temperature dropped to lower than 40 degrees below zero. In desert climates the temperatures can and do swing over 80 degrees in a 24 hour period. If the climate were static, there might be a basis for your statements, but it is extremely dynamic.
You completely missed the point on how utterly useless an average temperature of earth is. No such thing exists. How is the average temperature of earth related to the average temperature of Libya? The North Pole?
You are clever by half on your photons and equilibrium. Did you neglect the same process happening in the opposite direction?
If 2000 ppm in a greenhouse is not destructive, and people can work by OSHA standards at 10,000 ppm CO2, how is 400 ppm deadly? It isn't.
Unreliability of satellite data? The National Weather Service won't permit satellite data for temperature record. They have to be measured by instruments on the site with specific standards.
Don't ignore the ice ages and heat waves that humanity evolved during. Clearly if humanity evolved, we are perfectly adaptable to 1 degree+ C average temperature changes. If not, life is not possible on this planet. What is an average? It's an approximation of the center of a range.
Think about it. It's not stuck on the high or low end of the range. Here's a 1/100th scale.
You are capable, research the temperatures of the various layers of the atmosphere, it's fascinating. And it disproves CO2 as responsible for "climate change." Every science does, when it is properly applied, not manipulated for Malthusian politics.
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You've just explained why average temperature is useful. It balances out these changes to give a general picture. If temp in the arctic, the mojave, and germany all rise by 1K in a year, the difference in temp between the locations doesn't matter, rather the overall change. Yes, weather fluctuates within hours, but I can guarantee you, if it was cold in wyoming, it was cold a few miles east of there. You don't need a weather station every square mile to accurately record data. You don't need 200m weather stations. If all 17,500 weather stations record a ~1K increase in average temp in their area, that shows quite a clear trend. You seem not to have understood the concept that, if temp fluctuates from 250-300K in one day, a weather station can just take several readings at those points and find the average temperature. It's not that complex. The climate is not static, that's why we use an average.
No I did not neglect this happening in the opposite direction, because it doesn't happen. Photons coming from the sun have a higher frequency than those leaving the earth (UV compared to infrared), meaning they interact minimally with greenhouse gases.
The OSHA standard determines breathability of air, not heat. CO2 is toxic in large concentrations, so OSHA defines a concentration above which it is dangerous. OSHA does not cover the greenhouse effect because a workplace is not a planet. CO2 warms the planet up. That's the issue. Not how toxic it is. I've already shown you the maths on why an increase in greenhouse gases is dangerous.
The image I included seems to describe how the NWS uses satellites to monitor temperature.
Yes, Ice ages exist. In fact, the average temp was as much as 8K cooler 20,000 years ago. Climate change is currently warming us 10 times faster than leaving the ice age did. This means we don't have time to evolve or adapt. Our stat for pre-industrial temp is the 1850-1900 average, so it doesn't account for the ice ages.
If you're going to dig at this by calling it Malthusian, I suggest you learn the actual background behind the Malthusian model.
You're the one trying to disprove climate change. If different layers in the atmosphere disprove it, you show me.

PS: I'd still love to see the map of 3000ppm downwind of rainforests as well as the paper you wrote
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It won't change your indoctrination, but here's a start for you on the NASA website
https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/5047/
You don't understand what toxic is. CO2 is not toxic, we exhale it with every breath.
Assuming you are converting to Kelvin to dramatize your doctrine, it doesn't change a thing except for the perception of more drastic numbers.
If you were capable of genuine inquiry, your conclusions would be rational. You can't look at 10,000 dots (1% of 1 million) and see that 1/2 of one dot equals 50 ppm. That CO2 must be bigger than a death star to reflect the awesome K of heat you regurgitate. Thankfully the rest of the CO2 remains atomic.
Your insult on understanding Mathuse is wasted.
Live in your dying paradigm, and know when you die at a ripe old age, perhaps slightly overweight that your fantasy changed the world. CO2 has never been essential for life.
I can point you to all kinds of data, but what use? You won't analyze it, much of it will be over your head anyway, and you think you know better than proven science anyway.
Here's a good one- climate changers panicked when a glacier melted in British Columbia several years ago, revealing a primordial forest that was encased in ice 10,000 years ago.
Get it? Okay, let me try to explain facts. The Primordial forest grew 10,000 years ago in a warmer period with absolutely no human consumption of fossil fuels. Temperatures dropped and precipitation encased the once living trees in ice for 10,000 years. Temperatures increased to a level similar to the temperatures when the trees were not encased in ice 10,000 years ago, exposing the formerly verdant forest. Clearly the cause is human consumption of carbon based energy sources.
Don't blame me if you can't google it.
As for my research, it's archived behind a paywall. I think they charge $5k for it, so let me know how you want to pay.
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Correction 1/2 dot is equivalent to 50 ppm-
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Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand, I will prove that the world is round and that CO2 has absolutely nothing to do with weather or what they'll try to call climate. We'll pay for your round earth research, but nobody with a functioning brain would ever be stupid enough to think that CO2 controls the weather.