So many leftists cheered when Kirk was murdered. Even author Steven King cheered. Absolutely disgusting.

🙏 Just wanna say at least some of us loser leftie libtards don't all agree with that. (I mean, I can't speak on behalf of anyone else ofc coz I don't represent anyone tbf. (It's not like we're all in some giant leftie WhatsApp group or sth and share notes so please don't take my personal views as indicative of any wider political ideology, by any means.)

I'm just my own person and a bit of a rebel, maybe. I'm also appalled tbf at some of the viral stuff I've seen going around online in the wake of this. I'm appalled when anyone is murdered in cold (or warm, or any kind of) blood btw. I'm appalled at what's happening in Gaza. I'm appalled at what's happening in Yemen. And with the Rohingya. And countless other places too.

All human life is precious (in my view). And I definitely didn't agree with a lot of stuff CK said or did. (I mean, I don't go around calling people "blacks" for starters. Mmmm.) But I'm genuinely sad, actually.

I think we actually need people like him who have the guts to speak their minds and debate anyone. If you don't agree with him or find him offensive, then grab the mic and roast tf out of him and prove him wrong. Don't shoot him.

I even think about the perpetrator (and especially feel for his family who had the human decency (and obviously societal duty) but agonizing decision to turn him in and lose their own child). Because even that's not simple and he had his own issues going on. It's sad all round tbh. 🙏

If we had more dialogue and difference of opinion no matter how much we disagree then maybe we wouldn't even be here? 🤔 I dunno...

I know there are some on the left who have some decency. I appreciate your comments especially after seeing multiple videos of human garbage trying to justify CK's murder.

You don't have to agree with him. Killing someone just because they disagree with you is psychotic and pure evil. The same would be true if a conservative murdered someone on the left.

We cannot lose our humanity or we will turn into France during the French Revolution or Nazi Germany. It is people like that who answer the question, how could Hitler convince so many people to follow him in a such a short amount of time. And why did the French continue their bloodbath after the royalty had been killed.

Those people who cheered Kirk's death must be made to understand just how reprehensible their behavior is. It is no different than those who supported Hitler.

Likewise, I appreciate your reply. 🙏

I might troll tf out of my own dead grandma and mess around a lot, but deep down I'm here for real dialogue and connection and I do genuinely appreciate it when people I disagree with politically engage positively, so thank you.

I'm sure we don't agree on loads of stuff. But I sure as hell don't wish ill or harm on you or those close to you and I'd be the first to condemn that.

And I disagree with my own friends and family just as much anyway.

>We cannot lose our humanity

Couldn't agree more.

I don't wanna sound too patronizing, but I think a lot of the younger generation are a bit lost these days.

We have a distinct lack of decent role models. (Andrew Hate don't count lol. He's a narcissistic lunatic. I'd even argue the only reason people like him are able to get famous is BECAUSE there's a vacuum of decent role models. Especially for young men. So he turns up to fill the void. Just like how you get terrorist nutjobs when a dictator is toppled. The real role models all seem to be in hiding or don't frankly have the guts to speak out, or maybe media and internet algorithms suppress their voices. Who knows. But where are they? Why is someone that ridiculous even able to get popular? (Like, sure, he's effing smart. Even I admit that. That's why he's interesting to watch. And inb4 I also wouldn't be cheering if he got the CK treatment. He's still a nutter though.) If there were sensible role models who taught what it really means to be a good man in 2025 without being a ridiculous caricature, maybe we wouldn't be here.)

I was a a fan of Jordan Peterson once (and Elon Musk too). His early lectures before he got famous (thanks to trans people lol, so he owes them one) were awesome. But he's also gone a bit off the rails and now just annoys me tbh. Maybe fame and fortune really does go to all our heads.) No one would even know who he was if he hadn't jumped on the bash trans people bandwagon. He'd just be some professor somewhere. Easiest way to go viral now.

Claims he makes 80K a *month* and is a "Christian". Okay, how about you do something with that utterly obscene amount of cash to help those less fortunate? Might be what Jesus would've wanted, jussayin. Kids are literally dying of preventable diseases as I type this message and this dude has the money to prevent that. So why doesn't he? Give me your credit card and I'll show you what you can do with it. Same goes for Musk and so many other rich kids.

"We have a distinct lack of decent role models."

So true.

I really don't know much about Andrew Tate. I've heard that he made some outlandish statements but that is about all I know of him.

I like Jordan Peterson. I haven't watched any YouTube videos or any of his shows on The Daily Wire recently. He had an interesting series that he hosted on the Daily Wire on the Pentateuch (the first 5 books in the Old Testament) and he did another one on the 4 books of the Gospel in the New Testament that was also interesting. But I haven't paid any attention to anything he's said or done recently. I just sort of lost interest, I guess. I'm not that fond of the Daily Wire. I just thought I would try it out and see what it was about.

"Claims he makes 80K a *month* and is a 'Christian'". I don't doubt he earns 80k a month but not as a "Christian". He probably earns that money through lectures and books. What he does with his money is up to him. It is none of our business. People seem to want to tell other people what to do with their money but would go ballistic if someone told them what to do with their own money.

Perhaps Peterson and Musk do give a lot of money to charity and we just don't know. As far as Musk goes, he is responsible for giving us Tesla, StarLink, PayPal and SpaceX and all of the products those businesses produce and all of the jobs those businesses create. Products that would otherwise not exist. So he does give back. I know that none of that is free but he provides jobs that would otherwise not exist.

To a lesser degree the same could be said of Peterson. He most likely keeps a staff to help out with speaking engagements and his books pay employee salaries at publishing companies and book sellers.

So both are contributing to the economy and that has a positive effect, much like charity.

Charity has be given out of love and it must be voluntary. If it is not voluntary then it is a tax and taxation is theft.

As a slight leftie, I feel nothing but sorrow and sympathy for his family. Yes, he has said some things that may have got people like me a bit angry, but he was human. He wasn't actively looking out to harm people. His children have to grow up without a father and with a heartbroken mother who has lost her love. 💔 All because someone couldn't argue with him and chose violence to finish the job. But all the shooter did was make his legacy and the things he said stronger.

He shouldn't have made you angry. I could clearly see that is the norm for those who debated him. Many of them were also angry. But Kirk's entire reason for his Prove Me Wrong series was to make people think. To show them alternatives and explain why those alternatives were valid. He was all about a civil discussion.

A civil debate is one where both sides support an opposing view but both sides are willing to learn and maybe even change. Kirk was asked how he approached every debate and he replied that he went into every debate with the possibility that he might be wrong.

I guess you're right. People who did debate with him were too blinded by rage to think properly.

I think the calmest one I ever saw was a trans person asking him about HRT, and he respectfully asked them to tell their story, and once they did, he told them to focus on loving themself first. As someone who is agender, so therefore falling under the trans umbrella, that made me think too.

I haven't watched all of his debates. I was more of a casual YouTube viewer of them. If they came up on YouTube's front page I would sometimes watch them. So I am not a Charlie Kirk expert.

Of the debates that I did see he impressed the heck out of me with how much he knew on so many topics. The debates that impressed me the most is when he went to the University of Cambridge in England. The students who debated Kirk, for the most part, seemed more educated on why their beliefs than American college students.

fellow agender person!!! hiii!!

👋 Hello :)

its been a while since I've seen another agender person outside of my friend group lol.

I'm impressed y'all have the guts to be on a place like this tbf lol. Glad (and a little surprised, ngl) to see you here actually. High five! ❤ Make some memes! Someone has to keep this place in check lol. They get a bit too naughty otherwise. 🤭

heh, I see. I'm not gonna be on here since I spend most of my time with teenagers.

Oh nice. One of those IRL types who touches grass and stuff lol instead of commenting all day on meme pages. Good luck with the kids and stay grounded, friend. 😎❤️

will do!
also probably should've said this earlier but I'm also a teen. sophmore actually.

Ah, gotcha. A lot of people here seem to be older, funnily enough, and mainly from the US (and also skew more rightwing) so it's easy to assume that's the default.

(I don't know where you fall on the political spectrum actually but ofc you're free to have your views, whatever they are, and don't let me or anyone else ever tell you what to think, because I don't claim to have all the answers. Think for yourself and make up your own mind.)

Stay safe out there. 🙏 The internet is a strange place. Didn't even exist when I was growing up. We didn't even have phones, computers or cameras lol. The world was a bit different. A lot less convenient, sure. And we had plenty of problems too. But maybe life was a bit more grounded and simple. I'm lucky enough, I guess, to have lived in both worlds.

Good luck with your studies. Life is very confusing these days. Feel free to hmu any time btw. xxx

I agree, mate.

Debate people, even if you hate what they say. Use logic, facts, evidence and intellect to fight and defeat them and roast them in debates. Shoot down their ideas. Don't shoot *them* dead or gloat over their murder. That won't lead to anywhere good for society if you ask me. That's mafia world. And humans didn't last as long as we have done by living in mafia world.

I ain't no anthropologist, but I have a feeling those kinds of societies don't tend to last very long.

Also I could comment on gun control and funding for mental health services, but we all know the US ain't gonna give up their guns any time this century, if ever. Charlie Kirk himself was pro-guns, so here we are. Rest of the world can shout til they're blue in the face about guns and it won't change anything because it's baked into the US psyche.

Not sure I remember the last time the 2nd Amendment really saved the people from govt tyranny though and everyone having a pistol in their underpants stopped the govt taking away their freedoms.

Most of the developed world doesn't have this problem and they don't live in fear of the Stasi.

agender trans dude here, I don't really know who this guy was. all I know is that he got shot for something, which he didn't deserve. those kids don't deserve to grow up without a father. that woman doesn't deserve to have to deal with the kids alone.

Charlie Kirk was a man I didn’t like what he said because I believe they were terrible and wrong things

But I will never EVER like the killer or agree with what he did. The thing I actually liked about Charlie was he debated and didn’t just yell at others to get his opinion across he always did a fair debate. I can accept that.

To emphasize the FEW DO NOT REPRESENT THE MANY. The few liberals celebrating don’t represent all. The FEW conservatives calling for civil war and for revenge don’t represent them all.

I’m sorry for his wife, I’m not sure how he was as a father or husband but I doubt it’s anything like what he said. Those kids deserve to grow up with a father. That monster who’s neither liberal or conservative had no right to take that away from them no right

"To emphasize the FEW DO NOT REPRESENT THE MANY."

I can only hope that is true because there are a whole lot of videos out there of people being all too happy that Kirk is dead. I personally haven't met anyone who is happy about his death but I haven't been around a lot of people since he was murdered. Everyone I talked to was conservative and we're sad that such a great man was murdered just because some idiot who got his panties in a bind because he has a transgendered girlfriend, started planning his death long before he spoke.

I wish I could understand what is so terrible about what he said? He wasn't wrong on anything that I heard him say. He was very well researched and knew his topics very well.

Here is where I am coming from and I think Kirk might agree (but I won't make that assumption) in a free country you can live your life how you best see fit. The way to maintain that freedom is by supporting and upholding the Constitution of the United States as the founding fathers originally intended. If there is any doubt read the Federalist Papers to clarify what the founders ideas were.

This means you and I can disagree the color of the sky but we cannot force each other to change our minds. So we must learn to live with the idea that people have an inherent right to think however they want to.

Unfortunately this is the road the left has been on for over a century. In the early 20th century the Progressives used to openly praise Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler. Then WWII broke out and those same Progressive distanced themselves from Nazis and fascists because we were at war with them. They pushed those ideologies on the far right. That was an idiotic move but today nearly everyone believes that is a fact. Nazi is an acronym for the National Socialist German Workers Party. You cannot have socialists on both side of the political scale. The true far right is anarchy, no government at all. The true far left is socialism, communism, nazism and fascism. It also includes monarchies, oligarchies and any other authoritarian dictators.

The left is marching towards authoritarianism. They have pushed it into our culture. They have convinced millions of left wing activists that the right are Nazi and fascists. That's crap.

The right is for limited and small government and maximum freedom for the individual. Our rights cannot be taken from us because they are endowed by our Creator.

What I have told you is 100% verifiable truth.

Whether or not the shooter had a transgender girlfriend or roommate or next-door, neighbor or mailman is completely irrelevant. You're just desperate to blame what happened on transgender people.

You say you can't think of anything he said that was wrong. He said the civil rights act was a mistake. He said that there's a deliberate effort to replace white people. He said that a 10-year-old raped victim should be forced to give birth. He said a whole bunch of disgusting stuff.

You say conservatives want small government and maximum freedom. Does that include the freedom for same-sex couples to get married? Or for women to make their own medical decisions?

While the right might represent that putting Donald Trump as president was not the best choice to get that across I will say that.

I haven’t met anyone happy about his death but I have met only a handful of people saying we should get revenge and murder the left for what we apparently did.

I don’t think the Left is going authoritarian or the Right is it’s just a lot of mis information and the few trying to represent the many

I would imagine that there are those on the right who want to blame the entire leftwing for Kirk's murder. Things like that happen all the time when there is any kind of polarization between groups.

I blame the murderer. To a lesser extent I blame the Democrat leadership and their minions in the media that created and perpetuates this fear of rightwing fascism.

That is the real misinformation and I would go so far to call it mal-information because it is intentional.

Fascists are vehemently opposed to a small and limited government. Conservatives and libertarians are all about small and limited in power governments. We believe that all political power belongs to the individual, not a collective.

The irrational fear of something that does not exist in this country is what seems to be driving many people on the left crazy. The entire purpose of Antifa is to fight this imaginary dragon.

My dad enlisted in the army during WWII (he was not drafted) to fight fascists and Nazis. My uncle was sent to Italy to fight the fascists in WWII. Fascism is evil, just as evil as communism, socialism and Nazism. Why on earth would I ever want anything close to fascism in this country?

Unfortunately, the left IS authoritarian. It's so obvious to those of us who are not leftists. The left has massively increased the size and scope of the government over the last century. Our founding fathers wouldn't even recognize the government they left for us. We have less freedom in our country now than when we lived under the rule of King George before the Revolutionary War. And we just keep losing more and more freedoms as time goes on.

And it's not all the Democrats fault. There have been many Republicans who are just as addicted to power and control as Democrats are.

Trump 2.0 campaigned on the promises that I had given up hope for any politician to ever stand for. He wanted to clean all of the corruption out of the government, cut wasteful spending, reduce the size of the government and he campaigned on the elimination of the IRS and income tax. So far he's only delivered about 1/4 of those promises. The left gets in his way every chance they can. It doesn't even make sense why they stand in his way. Democrat voters cheer when someone gets in Trump's way. It's like they actually want the government to have more power of them.

Trump is not a fascist. He's the opposite of a fascist. He wants to put political power back in the hands of the individual.

Let’s buy missiles

🤔

I feel bad for his children because they should not have their father taken away from them. But that doesn't mean he was a good person.

I appreciate that you're not part of the problem.

What makes a good person in your book? Everything I learned about Charlie Kirk is what a kind and generous person he was. Those that knew him said he was one of the kindest persons they knew. Even in his debate videos he is always respectful to those he is debating. He was a devoted husband and father.

So I really do not understand how you could call him a bad person? Just because you disagree with someone does not make that person a bad person.

He wasn’t a good person because he disagreed with you: