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Would you be considered a criminal for jaywalking or breaching a contract? Illegal immigration is the same type of offense 🤷‍♂️

Think about it this way: If someone is willing to break the law of the land regarding entering a country, would they be willing to break other laws while they are there? Also, what motive does one have to enter the country other than by the prescribed manner? Time was such would be regarded as spies

Your logic there does not make sense. Why would they be willing to break other laws if they were so eager to come here for a better life? Nobody comes here for the sole purpose of committing crimes and wreaking havoc. Though some do commit crimes, it’s usually a result of class and racial inequality. That’s why most demographics of people commit crimes.

Their biggest motive to enter illegally is that our legal immigration system is severely flawed and time consuming, and sometimes they don’t have that time. I think Democrats and Republicans should come to a compromise: crack down harder on illegal immigration (focusing mostly on criminals and avoiding human rights violations) but make it easier to immigrate legally. As for the last sentence, I don’t really understand what you meant.

Many who come illegally are also trafficking people or drugs — like Abrego Garcia who is now facing charges of human trafficking. As for the last sentence, if someone is sneaking into a country, he obviously would have an ulterior motive, such as being a spy for a hostile nation or working to overthrow their government.

Alright, those people who traffic drugs or humans should face consequences, which might include deportation. That doesn’t bother me one bit. The issue is the large majority of people who don’t. I don’t see why you would have an issue with this majority, because they do not affect your life. They don’t receive any benefits, they are mostly kind and compassionate people, and they work their butts off to help the rest of us. Deportation is not inherently bad, but it should not be used to dehumanize or target anybody. There are plenty of illegal European immigrants, but they aren’t being covered nearly as much because we’ve formed a harmful narrative about all Mexican immigrants: that they all commit crimes. And no, you don’t have to have an ulterior motive to sneak into a country, that’s just absurd.

I don’t think it’s the requirements needed for immigration or work visas that’s the problem. The problem is that government work takes so long to process. I do federal contract work and have work orders that have been in place for over a year waiting for parts. Much of the issue I’ve heard from your side is “It takes too long” — I agree that it shouldn’t take years, but that just means those who process applications need to be on top of it more and find ways to streamline the process without compromising national security. However, it’s still not fair to those who have gone through the process after the prescribed manner to fast-track those who cut in line.

Also, you should see what Mexico requires for immigration into their country. I have several friends from the US who live in Mexico — one couple has three or four children who are Mexican citizens by birth and they still have to go through a long process to obtain permanent residency. Another married a Mexican National and has to cross the border into a Central American country (they live in the south of Mexico) in order to fill out paperwork for residency every few months.

I agree that it is not fair for people to cut in line. And I did not know about the immigration requirements in Mexico, so thank you for informing me. But what I’m understanding from that second part is that you want it to be harder to obtain citizenship in the US, like in Mexico, and I’m curious as to why.

Ooh I know, Is it because the Democrats are secretly forming an army of illegals to have children in the US who will all vote for them and increase their political power? Right, right, everyone knows about that.

Seriously though, why should it be harder to become a citizen here?

I’m wondering what part of streamlining the process you didn’t understand. That should make it easier rather than harder to immigrate

Haha. Sorry, bro, cos I'm actually on your "side" otherwise btw. (I don't believe in taking "sides". That's lame.)

But yeah:

"There are plenty of illegal European immigrants, but they aren’t being covered nearly as much"

Europe is literally OBSESSED with immigrants. It's all they ever talk about lol. Like, literally, they never shut up about it. So yes, sorry, they ARE being covered. Europe is obsessed with this stuff. All they ever talk about is "immigrants".

I think you misunderstood me. I was talking about undocumented immigrants from Europe in the United States

Okay, so you need to be specific, no offence.

Your beef is with illegal immigrants to the US, specifically from Mexico or sth.

If you make a meme that blankets immigrants in general, no offence but you can't complain that some people will defend that.

Sorry, I’m a little confused now. Why are you talking to me like I made this meme. (And yeah I’ll try to be more specific next time)

I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to JHornick.

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My mistake

"Time was such would be regarded as spies."

He means this: Once upon a time, such [ie illegal immigrants such as these] would have been regarded as spies.

"Time was, .... " means "Once upon a time, ... "

All immigrants are illegal? Gotcha. Or did I misunderstand? Leonard Nimoy was the son of Ukrainian immigrants. I quite like him.

Musk is also an immigrant.

Where do you get that idea? I never said “All immigrants are illegal.” Quit trying to do a “gotcha” by putting words in my mouth.

Okay, well that's good then. At least we agree on that. You're not against immigrants per se. Just "illegal" ones. (We can debate what that means later, but at least we can agree on something.)

The world would arguably be a less interesting place without Mr Spock.

It’s really not that complex: a country puts in place a prescribed manner by which people may come from other countries in their laws. If someone comes in by another way, he is there illegally. For instance, if I were to go to Mexico I would not be able to get a work permit there unless I have a skill in demand among Mexican citizens or if I were to start a business that employs at least one Mexican National and learn Spanish — also I would not be able to attend a political protest. If I were to go to Grenada I would need a passport and return ticket out of the country, and go through a work-permit process if I want to stay. In either case I could not just slip into the country and then hang out in front of Home Depot to get work that pays under the table.

And I agree. Every country has immigration rules. If you want to visit the EU, you can stay 90 stays. Overstay that, and you're illegal and risk deportation. If I want to go to Thailand, or Japan, or Australia, or Mexico, or the US, or wherever, rules similarly apply. If I break those, I get deported and I can't complain and that's that.

We all have to follow the rules.

(Whether I like those rules or think they're unfair or whatever is a separate question. (I actually do think a lot of these rules are too strict and arbitrary, but oh well.) Rules is rules, so I still have to abide by them either way or I get deported. That simple.)

I think we probably agree on that, actually. Every country has borders. That's not exactly weird.

Immigration rules is one thing. We've all got to obey the rules. I think where we perhaps differ is where this bleeds into anti-immigrant rhetoric in general, and even xenophobia or unsubstantiated accusations (like Muslim immigrants are more likely to be violent criminals). And I guess that's where I start to take issue, because those are enormous claims and need big evidence to back them up.

And no offence but I think the Trump administration has encouraged this kind of rhetoric and lazy reasoning. I hope that makes sense and you can see where I'm coming from. Because like I said we probably agree on the main stuff.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dVouaFFMJiI

Haha. 😄 Well, good to see at least you conservatives still have a cheeky sense of humor. RIP that poor lib snowflake lol.

(I love dark and silly humor btw, so thanks lol. And owning and laughing at ourselves is literally part and parcel of where I come from. Can't speak for the other sensitive types, but feel free to share that stuff with me, anyway. 😎)

days* even. Not stays lol. Ugh.

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If I started illegally downloading movies and shit does that automatically make me illegal as a person,

An illegals immigrant isn’t illegal as a person— he just isn’t in the country legally.