Typical know nothing maga

He does not want to “invade” Iran.

He wants to bomb it but same thing

No it isn’t and I have wanted to bomb it back to the Stone Age back on 20JAN81.

What do you think about the Iranian people?

That has nothing to do with the equation. Israel surgically strikes military targets.
Iran and its proxies target Israel civilians.
Huge difference.

Israel literally aims for 'collateral damage.' The more innocent bystanders they kill, the more they like it.

You really don't get this on the news over there?

Collateral damage is part of warfare, remember? Blame the enemy...

Total fabrication of the facts.

Precision weaponry right there. But damn those human shields.

Right? Oh, well…FAFO

If the US (and their little helper dog, the UK) genuinely do end up taking on Iran, it's gonna be FAFO season all round so everyone gets to play for prizes. 🥳

I am not concerned since the only direct involvement that the U.S. will have will be to drop GBU-57A/B “Bunker Busters” on the Fordow Nuclear site.
As far as the UK is concerned, what makes you believe that they will be involved?

p.s. I can’t wait to see the imagery.

>>Gazans are Hamas.

Not quite factually correct, chaver sheli. Most of Hamas may be Gazans. But most Gazans are not Hamas. Are all Israelis Likud?

There are 2 million people in Gaza (minus the casualties of the recent ongoing conflict). Hamas had an estimated 40,000 fighters in May according to the IDF.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-855471

Including all military and other personnel working for Hamas, as a generous estimate if we allow 100,000, then 100,000 as a percentage of 2 million means Hamas represents ~5% of the population of Gaza.

That leaves 95% of the Gazan population that do not work for Hamas.

At this point you will counter by saying I'm being facetious and what you obviously meant is simply that most Gazans "support" Hamas. Well, Gaza hasn't had real elections since 2006, and almost half of the Gazan population is under 18.

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/gaza-strip/#people-and-society

So half the population wouldn't even have been born when Hamas seized power. By definition, they have never been in a position to actively vote for Hamas. In fact, they've never voted in their lives and have never known a different leadership.

Opinion polls? That's about the main thing you can go on. (Whether you can rely on them is another question. Are people free to express their true opinions against Hamas without fear of reprisals?)

https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/997

Around half of Gazans still apparently support Hamas (I'm not exactly thrilled about that either, for the record), but support appears to be dropping.

That would still leave 1 million people that don't support Hamas though. I'm not sure truly accurate data is even available. (Bit hard to do opinion polls when most of your land's reduced to rubble & ppl are facing mass starvation.)

And here is where we differ. Bc I don't believe that even one's continued support for an extremist organization that openly admitted carrying out a brutal massacre against mostly innocent and unarmed Israelis and foreign nationals on 7 Oct justifies one's extrajudicial killing en masse in air strikes. Whereas I assume you may do and you morally justify that because a significant portion of them still apparently support the perpetrators remaining in power.

But at least let's get the numbers a bit clearer. If the US does something and a foreign country makes the statement that "All US Citizens are Trump supporting Republicans", I think you would also dispute that.

Yes. Thank you Joke Biden.

The UK usually follows the US into battle like a puppy bc of its "special relationship" and bc it also still thinks it's the global police force and likes to forget it doesn't have a vast empire any more.

I'm not sure it'll be quite that simple. For a start, the bunker busters may not even succeed in destroying the facilities and then only a ground invasion would work. (Assuming for argument's sake that Fordow is genuinely being used to develop nuclear weapons. Be a bit awkward if it transpired later on that it wasn't... )

If the US does make a direct attack on Iran, Iran will most likely retaliate as they've said they will (and would probably be legally entitled to in self-defence?) and target US military bases and personnel, possibly also shutting off the Strait of Hormuz which would hit global oil trade.

Iran may be technologically highly inferior to the US but it does have a very large army, and the topography and size of Iran makes it very difficult to invade. It will also draw the ire and condemnation of Iran's allies and those sympathetic to them. Pakistan, Russia and China all have nukes too. We don't want them to join.

A few Arab/Muslim countries may consider getting involved, or at least be less cooperative and block their airspace. Iran is a proud country with a very ancient history. A lot of its citizens do despise the regime and may well be happy to see the end of it, but they equally won't be in favour of a foreign power occupying their land and many will likely fight hard to defend it, especially if the US causes civilian deaths, as Israel already has done. Forced regime change through military force doesn't tend to work as well as the US thinks it does.

The US won't be able to hold Iran for long even if it succeeds in toppling the government and imposing a puppet leader. It may lead to civil war and destabilize the region for years to come and new factions may arise, possibly even more hostile to US interests.

It will cost a lot of money and the lives of US troops, and achieve little long-term gain. Iran ain't Gaza. It won't be a walk in the park.

But I'm not a prophet and could be wrong about everything. So try it and see. FAFO and report back in a year (or 20, as the case may be).

Re imagery, watching a few explosions might be fun for some. Watching thousands of civilian casualties from US munitions might be a bit less fun. Also, blowing up a nuclear facility with possible stockpiled uranium might come with environmental risks.

The only thing that Iranians hate more than the US and the UK are Arabs. They've been hating each other before there was even in England, let alone America. There are no Arab countries that will assist Iran.

Merry said this:

"It’s interesting that you support Iran, Gazans, Houthis, Hezbollah, Yemeni’s."

I must have skimmed past that one.

"Furthermore, I do not see US ground forces intervening. The IDF and Mossad are very capable people of follow-up operations.
Perhaps the Iranian people will finally rise up and do the right thing"

It's pretty obvious what framed his viewpoint.

“ I'm not sure it'll be quite that simple. For a start, the bunker busters may not even succeed in destroying the facilities and then only a ground invasion would work.”
Well, we shall see. It’s interesting that you support Iran, Gazans, Houthis, Hezbollah, Yemeni’s.
Furthermore, I do not see US ground forces intervening. The IDF and Mossad are very capable people of follow-up operations.
Perhaps the Iranian people will finally rise up and do the right thing,
I am inherently an optimist.

“If the US does make a direct attack on Iran, Iran will most likely retaliate”,
WTF are they gonna do?

“ It will cost a lot of money and the lives of US troop“
Yeah lots of money. With all the moolah we are saving on an open border, we can swing it. As far as US troops go, see my first paragraph.

You wrote:

>>It’s interesting that you support Iran, Gazans, Houthis, Hezbollah, Yemeni’s.

Not quite accurate and it's a bit more nuanced than that. But I appreciate you removing Hamas from that list as I mentioned to you previously how I am opposed to them and want them gone as a "government" and replaced by one that might allow for progress (but not "removed" in the way Israel is planning).

I support Iranian people. I support Gazan people. I support Yemeni people (especially Yemeni children being killed by UK-supplied weapons). I don't support Hezbollah or the Houthis and what they do is their problem. I don't support most militant groups. I support legitimate governments that abide by international law.

>>Furthermore, I do not see US ground forces intervening. The IDF and Mossad are very capable people of follow-up operations.

Without US ground forces, I don't think Israel has the manpower to take on a full invasion of Iran. The numbers just don't add up. Aside from that, just getting there is complicated. They'd have to cross through Iraq, face pro-Iranian militias there, and be sitting ducks for Iranian missiles, Israeli air defence notwithstanding. No Iron Dome out there.

Attacking by sea is a huge risk because the Iranian navy is relatively powerful, the terrain is very mountainous and it's difficult to land troops.

In any case, Israel is a tiny country in comparison and could not possibly hold a country that large with its limited military, one of the best-trained and best-equipped in the world though it may be.

>>Perhaps the Iranian people will finally rise up and do the right thing,

Perhaps they will. I'm sure a large number of Iranians would love to see the back of their oppressive regime. But if you want that, killing Iranian civilians on home soil is not a great way to persuade people. That will likely have the opposite effect. I think Netanyahu is a bit delusional as well as arrogant.

>>WTF are they gonna do?

As I pointed out above. Militarily: Missile strikes on US assets and personnel. Possible attacks on US citizens abroad.

Economically: Closing Hormuz and disrupting the global oil market (20% of global LNG trade passes through there so that won't be an insignificant blow to global trade). US navy would be required.

>>With all the moolah we are saving on an open border, we can swing it.

Have you spoken to the Accounts Dept to see if this proposal is fully costed and those books are balanced? Wars costs trillions.

>>Gazans are Hamas

Dude. I already explained in depth to you how 2 million Gazans aren't Hamas.

Not much more I can do.

All Israelis are Zionist terrorists then who worship Netanyahu and think it's okay to airstrike innocent people to take out one terrorist, and think killing 50K Gazans in response for the Hamas massacre on Oct 7th is justified.

All US citizens are gun-toting MAGA Trump supporters with cowboy hats.

I can't reason with you if you're beyond reason. I'm hoping you're not. You seem quite intelligent otherwise. Please don't let me down.

Gazans are Hamas

Ok, but do you think that most Iranian people are bad?

Of course not. There you go,again, ascribing to me things that are not true.

I just asked you?

All you are passive aggressive.

*is

I have to be, otherwise you and yours will flag my comments

Iran saved the Jews from disappearing 2600 years ago, so therefore this is Israel's thank you note.

Ancient history.

Literally

So you listen to Tucker now...
Got it.

No I still dont

The dude went to Princeton for undergrad, and then Harvard Law School. He’s been in politics for 22 years. I think he knows a little something about Iran. He’s also a member of the Committee on Foreign Relations. Finally, he doesn’t want to invade Iran.

Nope, he doesn't, even your favorite person T. Carlson agrees

Oh, wow, I stand corrected by the ultimate arbiter of truth! Please, enlighten me with your infinite wisdom, because clearly my entire existence is just a glitch in your flawless reality.

Hahahahaha

Nope