It is like they are Anti what ever is good and decent , anti work, anti family, anti religion, just anti American in general.

Bud hate to break it to you but a large amount of people right and left wing included are agreeing with luigi here.

If you agree with shooting a guy in the back, then you are not even human. Any one that supports that should be hung.

I do not agree or disagree with the act of murder done my magione. All I am merely doing is the stating of fact. (However I think we can all be agreed the health care of the United States is a bloody nightmare)

If you do not disagree with murder then you condone it. There is no gray area there. Also we can agree with our health care system being f**ked.

Yeah definitely

If you agree with letting insurance companies use a flawed ai to assess medical claims and as a result, make people choose between death or living in poverty, then you are not even human. Luigi killed one man, which I am not endorsing but United Healthcare has killed countless people by denying them a basic human right

healthcare is not a human right, nowhere in our constitution says that other people have to take care of your health. You don't get to kill people cause you have a gripe with them. That makes you an animal. When someone murders someone else in cold blood , you don't get to use "But"

And sorry for using but, a human life was taken and I shouldn’t take the focus of such a tragic event. So why don’t we agree to stop this game of trying to bring the focus to our view point and just agree to disagree

we don't disagree actually , we both agree that murder is wrong. Murdering in cold blood is wrong no matter what excuse you use to defend it, that is my point and taking the politics out of the equation, I am sure you would agree to that as well.

Yeah murder is bad, I think all sane people can agree

No, that makes someone human. Very much and distinctly human.

Humans kill others because of gripes. Or sport, lust, greed. Even fun.
Check the news today on the 13yo who rammed someone on a bike with the car he was driving with 3 passengers in on the fun just to tape it and post it on social media.

Cats make toy with their food, a chimp may yank that testes off another one during battle, but there is not a creature that has ever existed ever that will kill someone they never even met casually going about his business just for fun so that him and his friends can have a giggle and post it on social media.

I can agree with you there, with all of our intelligence, there is nothing as vicious and capable of evil acts as a human.. that is unique unto us.

But doesn’t it say in the first few lines of the Declaration of Independence that people have certain inalienable rights such as life, liberty and happiness? I think being denied healthcare coverage because some big business wants to make a few more bucks is in violation of at least 2 of those rights. Also some of us are decent people who actually want to help others, even if it isn’t to our benefit

Wrong , you don't get to force other people to take care of you.

Your right on that but you shouldn’t be able to take someone’s healthcare coverage away just to save a few bucks

That is just the problem with capitalism with in the healthcare industry, you can't kill random people that work in that industry because you disagree with the system. There is no way you can defend what that dude did.

Unless you have legal* guardianship of them, yes? That it's ok?

Yay mic and me not proofing before posting

no i understood your last message even with typos seeing I make so many myself, no, even with legal guardianship that doesn't mean i can kill the person at a whim ;D But ina medical situation where the person is terminal, or if resuscitation wouldn't add to any quality of their life, like them being deathly ill, and such , the decision would fall on whomever has the legal Guardianship.

State ID is like stone soup, if you got the ID you need to get one, you don't need one.

Birth certificate isn't mission impossible to replace, but it's not photo ID, so doesn't mean crap unless you already have photo ID and you just using that as a second ID. You need six points worth of ID to get a driver's license here. Birth certificate is one point.

People think it's easy till they have to go through the process. Two individuals who said the same thing to me for years, no biggie, no problem... changed their tunes once they had a try for themselves.
One of them was in his 20s when he tried to get a state ID and found out he had insufficient ID. Guy calls me up and said remember when you told me that, were you were right. As if I didn't know I was right when I said it. Why would I say it if it wasn't right? I love when people do that, "Remember when you said whatever, you were right!" Um, kinda.

Another is a family friend who had who had told me the same thing for years, it can't be that difficult, she's a social worker, so she should know, etc. But then one of her daughters tried to get a driver's license in her 20s and she too lacked sufficient ID.

My advice to everybody is get what you driver's license and whatever other ID can before you turn 18 but because at least you can use your parents ID to help you get your driver's license and what not when you're a minor, otherwise, it's going to be next to mission impossible.

I have heard that other states might be easier than New York, but I wouldn't bank on it.

So when somebody who's too poor to get their own car is having trouble getting a driver's license and their parents never had one because they're too poor to own a car, they ain't lying.

Here in IL all you need is your ss# and birth certificate , with those you can get state Id,drivers and really anything else you need. I think the only other thing they ask for is proof of your mailing address, so what you gotta go through sounds a lot tougher than what we have to.

But when did killing someone enter this? Talking about medical coverage,
including for the disabled, a concern for someone claiming legal guardianship.

This on the news just now: Even elderly and disabled are now going to have to come in to the Social Security office with, apparently, their driver's license. Neat trick for those too old or too disabled to drive to have one,,,

How about a State ID? Birth Certificate? My Uncle was 96 years old and had an ID, I think that is less of an issue than you might assume it is. Even if you don't have any of that, you can get most of it at USA. gov or birth certifcates and vital records online. Smoe are more costly, I think to get a Birth certificate replaced its like 50 bucks. But the other IDs are cheap, State and drivers you can get for 10 bucks at the DMV.

I think there would have to be a ton of legal reason proven before you could end some else's life in a medical sense. LIke a DNR, or I think it is called something else these days. I dont know off the top of my head, I am in the middle of a tornado warning on the road.

My typos, I meant something else.

United Healthcare hasn't killed anybody. Getting provided reduced medical costs is not a basic human right. People still have access to medical care. Unfortunately it would cost more if they're not insured, but they're not being blocked from utilizing it.

Please name them.
And then compare that number to all the citizens in the USA...

https://www.axios.com/2024/12/17/united-healthcare-ceo-killing-pollhttps://www.newsx.com/world/70-of-respondents-blame-healthcare-system-not-just-luigi-mangione-for-ceo-murder-poll-reveals/https://www.axios.com/2025/01/09/luigi-mangione-approval-poll-gen-zhttps://www.newsweek.com/luigi-mangione-voters-understand-anger-unitedhealthcare-poll-2017226https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/51189-presidential-pardons-billionaires-and-luigi-mangione-december-15-17-2024-economistyougov-poll
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