I’m actually about to kill myself

That happens when a control freak has established himself to such a point that anyone who disagrees with them is silenced and the rest don't question it. They spiral deeper and deeper into their beliefs and do not allow any different opinions.

Anti furry society sounding a lot more like North Korea

Damn we going back to calling anti-furries Communists? You've gotta be shitting me.

Not referring to anti furries, I’m referring to Lordzerostrike’s stream in general, I feel like anti furries themselves can’t share their own opinions in there

That would make more sense.

It wasn't even my intention. I was going against specific people, not the community.

Thats what many furries and furry defenders always do.

Damn everybody's stereotyping rn. Can we just like... NOT?!

fr bro

this whole woke topic is kinda weird to use since I'm not that big on the whole woke thing but at the end of the day it Is what it is what matters is that people are happy and that's what we need in society and so what if he has an opinion on a character yes I agree it's weird to call the main character a Mary sue woke agenda character when the good example of a Mary Sue is Rey from star wars but that's besides the point Charlie is probably the least agenda pushing character in fiction right now hell (pun not intended) both of the creators shows have modern themes in them but they don't push it on to you like a lot of Hollywood slop they let it be there and treat like it's fine and that's what they should do not be like "hey I like women so that's gonna be my only character trait" anyway this comment is going way too long and I just wanted to state my opinion (btw my opinion on lords thought of charlie being a bad person is under his explanation with the batman image)

Ok reading all this, Sprig and Creeper, shut the hell up, as a fan of the show, Zero does have a point. And stop making everything so go***amn dramatic go***amn it you two,

Not funny at all dude.

Okay, so?

Meanwhile it's Zerostrike who:
• keeps interrupting arguments
• spreads misinformation
• displays an incredible ability to annoy

Look, you 3 are just bickering bitches, Zero keeps on with his anti BS, Creeper keeps up with his drama, and YOU are just a whiney asshole

Why are you describing yourself?

Im not.

Yes you are

How? Provide actual proof.

Well, that solves that, so you do not have proof.

What are you gonna do about it? If I was such a whiney asshole like you say, your ass would have been banned a while ago for insulting moderation. But I'm not a little bitch, so why would I do that? Meanwhile you could just accept people arguing. How 'bout that?

Ive taken notice of this whole damn agruement because of a source im not specifying. Reading all of this is so damn stupid.

Then don’t read it

Well, im inclined to read.

Fair

Then don't. Go back to your Discord.

And YOU go back to your own damn stream

This is my stream.

Your merely a mod. Not a owner.

Ahh yes people can’t use a stream unless they own it

dont be rude about it you unjust ban givee

As an owner, both mods and owners own the stream

Still more than you, peasant.

And yet, i have mod in Bossfights.

Boss fights is a different stream goofy

So? You won't achieve more than stalemate with that. Besides, banning me without a reason other than having beef with me is very much a good reason for an unban appeal to another mod.

You mean Zerostrike whined about it and you came over to defend him like the dumbass henchman you are.

No, i dislike him too. I just like watching the dumbassary the Anti Stream has, and the dramas. Im a neutrel

mf if you’re neutral than why are you arguing with pet

How the hell am i not neutrel if i agrue with pet?

Mf you’re arguing with pet FOR zerostrike because he whined about it

As much as i dislike both Zero and Pet, i do kinda agree with Zero

So you’re not neutral then if you agree with him

Twisting my words.

L bozo, keep being a dumbass henchman

Im not even a henchmen.

Lmao this was just about a meme I made, what does any of what you say have anything to do with the meme?? Lmao.

No, just with you in general. You deleted my comment defending the protagonists of Hazbin Hotel because it was apparently too woke for a show that, by your definition, is pretty "woke" by itself.

I’m pretty sure most people who watch hazbin hotel are “woke” anyways

The hellaverse fandom is hyper woke. And thats pretty messed up.

Nothing wrong about being woke, you just find it below your standards because you think your opinions are the most important

Bruh, being woke is wrong in so many levels.

How?

It ruins societies, corrupts minds, gets people harassed for giving criticism, spreads wacky ideologies, etc.

I could name the same stupid arguments and they would have the exact same effect as they do for you: Zero. If you dislike a show that is inherently woke, as you say, with an inherently woke fanbase and creator, then you're in the wrong place.

Nah, am just tired of shows with wasted potential being ruined by bad writing and being defended by toxic fanbases.

Crazy that you asked Discord for help using completely miscommunicated arguments.

Cry about it

Says you,crying about it in Discord.

Whatever

The writing literally is the appeal of the show. If you don't like it, it's not for you. If you think you can do it better, do it better.

''The writing is the appeal of the show'' lmao the writing is incredibly awful. The nly people this writing is appealing to is twitter users.

From your viewpoint. For me, you just described the effects of right-wing media. And we both think we are correct. The thing I will not tolerate is intolerance towards diversity.

There both bad

''Right wing media'' lmao, blaming the good guys for the actions of the bad guys. Wokeness is ruining society. If anything its left wing media thats its having negative effects on society.

''The thing I will not tolerate is intolerance towards diversity.''

Twitter user moment.

No. You find it bad because it does not match your very limited view of the world. But guess what: You can't do anything about it.

Source: Trust me bro.

Says you. You complain that a woke show has woke fans who support the protagonist of the show.

No, I complain that a show with bad writing has a toxic fanbase that aside from forgiving the flaws of the show also idiolizes the protagonist as a hero despite being far from it.

The one thing I can agree with you on. F**k vivziepop, f**k hellaverse. F**k the fans. They’re all awful.

F**k this 24/7 internet spew of trivia and celebrity bullshit

Agreed. I hate what the hellaverse has become, how much of a bad person Viv is and how toxic is the fanbase.

Mf it's one of the better ones. And none of the characters in helluva boss at least are not horribly written

Alright, so we ain't cooking letting this sperm win the race.

Then why are you still pretending to like the show?

I liked the Hazbin Pilot, the Addict music video, the Helluva Boss pilot and season 1 of Helluva Boss. Everything else sucks.

I could delete your comments too simply because I disagree with you, but I'm not socially inept enough for that.

Ok

Again, none of that ever made him a "villain" or a bad character, the reason for that was to progress his character arc making into more of a misunderstood and confused character.

Mf did not just ask if cod is a good game

You have such dogshit takes bro go touch grass

1. He was literally originally meant to be a villainous horny owl. Him becoming sympathetic or misunderstood feels oout of place.
2. Rather than making him sympathetic or misunderstood, they just made him insufferable.

f**k u mean bro??? even my homophobic sister loves stolas.

Am starting to believe you are just insane.

💀 this is actual brainrot, that's not the purpose of the show. I assume you're talking about hazbin hotel, charlie is not supposed to be a perfect hero>

mf no it isn’t, helluva boss is just “sex f**k f**k shit bitch kill bitch asshole gay gay gay F**K MOTHERF**KER”

90% of the show is swearing

mf vivziepop’s fans are not chill

People criticize how terribly written a character is and her rabid fans will harass them and send death threats

Am not complaining about her being a perfect hero. Am complaining about her pretending to be a hero despite being a bad person.

never was he a villian dude. Like what? episode 4 I believe he was already a sentimental character.

He was literally and still is a villain lmao. In the episode 4 of the 1 season he did not even appear. And in the season 2 episode 4 he was never sentimental, he was simply just there as the damsel in distress. And that episode would serve as a key point to show that he is very ungrateful. Cause in Apology Tour, when Blitzo tries to talk to him, Stolas accuses him of not coming to save him from Striker, which is bs because Blitzo literally send Millie and Moxxie to save him. And the reason he coudnt come himself was because he was taking his daughter to the doctor. Stolas is an incredibly aweful person, which is why am glad he got his title and powers taken away from him.

That is intended dimwit.

And its awful.

character development is "awful" noted.

There is a difference between character development and an awful retcon done out of nowhere. Stolas was supposed to be a villain, now they decided to make him a ''sympathetic'' owl demon who apperently happens to have loved Blitzo all along and apperently wants to be with him despite him mentally abusing him and mistreating other imps (Blitzo's demon subrace), and this in turn has caused him to be neglectful of his own daughter. If you think that being neglectful of ones own daughter because of wanting to be with someone that one has mentally abused for a while is ''character development'', that just means you need serious help.

since season 1 episode 1 stolas has been more than a villian, f**king idiot lmfao.

In season 1 Stolas was a villain. In season 2 they turned him into an insufferable crybaby who is obsessed with Blitzo to the point of neglecting his own daughter.

mf you don’t even have a comeback for the fans being rabid psychos, you know I’m right

He low-key just coping that season 2 is more about stolas' relationship w blitz. etc homophobe lol

Lmao of course hellborns cannot be redeemed, as they have always been demons and as such are by nature evil.But the thing is, Charlie is not a sinner, she is a hellborn. As such technically the hellborn are her actual people. And her primary duty should not be redeeming sinners but instead helping improving the lives of the residents of hell.

So were like making hazbin hotel racist now?? Like what lmfao??

You are the one who doesnt know what character development is.

You are actively stating that Charlie Morningstar is a bad character because shes "a bad person" although the point of the show is that she can grow with the people in the hotel. I believe you have no right to hypocritically attempt to make that point.

You clearly don't understand what racism is. As a hellborn demon and the princess of hell, Charlie should be focusing on improving the lives of the hellborn demons, who are her real people. Not trying to redeem some sinners that where sent to hell for a reason: commiting vile sins when they where alive.

A. I'm black
B. You are insane. Can't accept basic logic ahh taking algebra 1 in senior year looking stupid ass kid who's biggest hobby is to respond with full paragraphs to bitches on the internet.

As the princess of Hell she should be focusing on improving the lives of the ACTUAL residents of hell: the hellborn demons. Not some sinners that where sent to hell for the vile stuff they did when they where alive. And thats not all, she actually believes that sinners are ''innocent souls'' and that ALL of them, even genuianely horrible ones, deserve redemption. This would explain why she did not use her powers and authority to save Angeldust, HER OWN FRIEND, from Valentino.

Bro what are you onnnnnn abt??????????? Like the second I give a valid opinion you come up with random shit. The point of the hotel is to give people a chance to redeem themselves. That's not possible for hellborn demons dude lmao.

No, am complaining because the show was supposed to be an adult dark comedy with horror elements about a group of assasins who run a business about killing people on Earth. Now its a mediocre fanfic with lots of drama and bad writing. Not to mention Stolas is a horrible person and a neglectful father. And I see you have resorted to false accusing me of things am not. Lmao.

Bro doesn't know what character development is. Bro would read 1984 and proclaim it's the worst book because he can't understand it.

Wait, do you even get the concept of hazbin hotel? Because you really seem to be a big fan of Adam, which is no surprise

I mean who doesnt love Adam. He alongside Lute are the only characters with basic common sense in the entire show.

Yep, you’re definitely a fundamentalist

Am an atheist lmao.

He is also a misogynistic hornball (in hellverse)

To a minor degree. And besides he deeply cares for Lute.

"Minor" misogyny doesn't justify misogyny.

Him being caring for Lute and not being rude to any of his exterminator angels (which are all female) shows he is not a misogynistic as people make him out to be. Sure he is not the best guy out there, but he is not the worst character of the show.

Nah, I deleted your comment because you where defending a protagonist that was in fact a horrible person and a mary sue.

So why not just, you know, disagree with me instead of deleting the comments? It was not inappropriate for the stream and didn't break the Terms of Service.

What you said was still pretty fcked up. Thats why.

Then just f**king tell me

Ill tell you everything:

Charlie is a horrible person because aside from literally killing exterminator angels whos duty is to control overpopulation in hell, she also openly thinks that sinners are ''good people who did nothing wrong'' and openly defends them, even ones that have done pretty messed up stuff when they where alive. She also demonized heaven for killing sinners even though they do it for a reason and the fact that most sinners are horrible people. Oh yeah and despite being the princess of Hell and having inmense power, she never used her authority and powers to save Angeldust from Valentino.

Yep, definitely know nothing about the show, dumbass lmfao

Charlie literally sees good in people who have nothing but darkness within their hearths. Adam is just doign his job, which is controling overpopulation in hell. And he is not killing innnocents, he is killing genuianely horrible people.

I just f**king hate hb, hasbin hotel, tamdc, md, etc in general bro

How do you know those people feel nothing? Do you know that for sure? The reasons for those actions could’ve been the reason of them feeling something, you’re an atheist right? You wanna know the truth about Christianity? none of us are deserving of God’s grace we are all bad people because of our pride and arrogance we have against him, he gave it to us out of his love and grace for us even if we didn’t deserve it, So what your basically saying is because we didn’t follow up to God’s rules and were misguided out of our own independence, we are therefore seen as bad people who deserve eternal suffering, that’s what a fundamentalist is, you don’t even have to be a Christian, it could just be someone who judges only by their actions and are strict to a set of rules

I know a lot about the show. Which is how I know Charlie is a bad person.

The reason why Charlie likes sinners is not because of their sin, she’s inspiring the idea of giving others a second chance for redemption because she judges by someone’s heart and remorse and not by their actions, Adam is an example of how Justice and Perfection can be cruel to individuals especially ones who are misguided and afraid

If you disagree with the core protagonist and therefore story, why are you even moderating the stream?

Just because I dislike a series does not mean I dislike a stream. And I moderate it in order to maintain order within it, knowing how chaotic the hellaverse fandom can be. Recently someone posted NSFW artwork of Vox which got approved by a mod. I had to delete it afterwards.

Wait, did you delete my man’s comment because you took on his opinion personally over some silly cartoon? That’s like me deleting your ai generated memes because they give me absolute brain damage and therefore they are bad lol what?

I view it kinda like how batman in the comics is fighting f**ked up people but will still wanna give people like the joker a chance to rehabilitation

At least Batman recognizes that this people are evil. Charlie literally views sinners as ''innocent souls who did nothing wrong''.

well I mean imagine yourself in her viewpoint you grew up in a f**ked up place with killers rapists thieves etc etc and since you grew up in that area you know that type of society as normal plus your royalty and you want what's best for your subjects and you also gotta live with people coming around every year from the sky killing them
so if you think of it in her point of view it kinda makes sense (also it could just be her wanting to fix what happened with her mom and dad)

And for the record I don{t hate the story, just what the creator did with it in the current project. In the pilot it looked interesting, but it got ruined in the series. This is why I miss the pilot era of Hazbin Hotel.

which protagonist were they defending?

Charlie Morningstar.

am pretty sure you removed my comment not liking about this meme

No, I was Obsidian. He told me.

ohhhhh

sorry