Rod Serling: Imagine If You Will

Whatever happened to the idea of ignoring the parties and just voting for the candidates who best represents what you think?

Oh yeah... I forgot... Democrats are told what to think, they don't think for themselves. Because if they thought for themselves they'd be called a racist. That's how the party leadership keeps their voters in line. That and brainwashing them into hating, with every fiber in their bodies, Donald Trump, and everyone else who won't comply with Democrat group think.

I'm so glad I'm not a Democrat.

It never existed because our founders created our two parties - they've just changed names and platforms from time to time.

But then the rest of your post makes it clear there was never a time when you thought for yourself either.

Not exactly. A lot of them were just used to the party system from England and they liked it but how this nation started was no parties. George Washington did not belong to a party and he opposed them because he said that they allowed foreign investors to influence our elections and policies. And wow, what a surprise, Washington was 100% correct. Because the Democrat party has been completely taken over by the World Economic Forum. Both parties have been accepting foreign money for decades, maybe even a century.

Initially the person who had the most votes was the president. The person with the second most votes was the vice president. This system did not last very long because too many of the founders wanted parties and they did not want their vice president to be a member of another party. I think it might have all changed either before or just after Jefferson was president. I don't think he is the one who changed it. I just don't remember the details. It's been too long since I read about it.

The first American parties formed before Washington finished his first term, and were started by Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican) and Alexander Hamilton (Federalist).

That said, the reason we stopped using the first and second place system was because in early administrations, vice presidents openly acted against the presidents because they were political rivals.

This was such a problem that we amended the constitution to fix it in 1804, less than 20 years into this great experiment.

Thanks. I knew it was around that time frame but I couldn't remember when and which administration pushed parties on us.

I prefer the George Washington type of party, none.

What I am truly done with is the monopoly of the 2 party system. For the last several elections they have both been promoting the worst possible candidates to the front runner position to eventually be nominated.

The last good Republican was Reagan and the last good Democrat was Kennedy. Both of them stuck out like sore thumbs in their party machinery. Both had assassination attempts on them, and one attempt was successful. Both lowered taxes and because of that the economy improved as it always does because taxation is theft.

Now the Democrat Party has sold out to the World Economic Forum. There's just not good reason to put a Democrat in any position of our government because they don't work for the people. They work for power and money. There's a lot of Republicans in that same boat. Fortunately it's not all of them, like in the Democrat Party. There's a handful still committed to the principles this nation was founded on.

The last two Democrats who stood up against the WEF were Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr. They had to leave the Democrat Party because they wouldn't march in lockstep with the globalist fascists.

Tulsi and RFK Jr are legitimately nut cases, and if you think the GOP hasn't sold out you must not have been paying attention to the fact your tax cut in 2017 automatically turned into a tax increase a couple years ago while those for their owners are permanent.

See what I mean. Gabbard and Kennedy strayed off the farm and immediate the attack machine came out to inform all of the sheeple that they are "nut cases". I've intentionally listened to their speeches. I was very impressed with both of them. They are both very intelligent people with a few good ideas and a whole lot of not so good ideas. I would never vote for them for president but conversely if the Dems elected them I would not be upset either. The both love this country and do not want to see it collapse. I have not heard any Democrat candidate, other than Gabbard and Kennedy, ever once say that they love this country. All I have heard for decades is how much they have to change this country. Change, change and more change. And if you question it then you are afraid of change. No, I am not afraid of change, I just want them to be honest on what they want to change.

5 days before the 2008, Obama said he was going to "fundamentally change America". That should have worried everyone who believes in freedom, inalienable rights and liberty. He wanted to change this nation at it's foundation. Fortunately, he wasn't able to do that but he sure screwed up big parts of America.

Horrible Harris (BTW the Finnish word for "horrible" is "kamala") keeps repeating her mantra "what can be, unburdened by what has been". Well... what have we been. We used to be the freest nation to have ever existed. Our Constitution is unlike any other Constitution in that it was written from the viewpoint of "We The People" instead of "Us The Government". It is a statement telling the government what we will and will not allow it to do. It places strict limits on the government. It created three separate and equal branches of the government to regulate the governments power and prevent any one branch from violating the rights of the people. That's what we used to be, anyway. And Harris called that a "burden".

Now what bothers me the most is that both Obama and Harris were raised by Marxists. Marxism is all the know. Biden, on the other hand, is just an idiot. He was an evil toxic narcissist idiot, then he got dementia and became a demented evil toxic narcissist idiot.

Why Marxism? What is the attraction? It has been a dismal failure everywhere it has been tried. It is responsible for the murder of 100 million people in the 20th century. And yet, it is more popular than ever.

I will not live in a Marxist regime.

Admitting you're impressed by the guy with brain worms and the lady who dropped a defamation suit for being called a Russian tool when she figured out she would have to go through discovery isn't quite the flex you think it is.

Fact is, Democrats are right-wing centrists while Republicans are right-wing authoritarians - that's pretty much the long and short of it. No communism, socialism, or even the Marxism you're pissing yourself over.

We're corporatists like you, we just don't have any need for kings.

Brain worms?? You discount RFK Jr because you think he has brain worms?

I didn't know Gabbard sued anyone for calling her a Russian tool. I knew the left was calling her that because name calling is something the left does ad nauseum. It wouldn't matter one way or the other if the left's allegation was true or not because, like I said, I would never vote for her or RFK Jr.

The actual fact is the Democrat Party was taken over by the Progressive from the early 20th century. That is just a historical fact. The Progressives were Marxists and they didn't seem to care which variation of Marxism they supported back then. They openly praised Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler as "men of the future". Then WWII happened and the Progressives rapidly distanced themselves from their forner love of Nazism and fascism. They, very successfully passed the blame off on the Republicans. They created this false notion that the extreme right is authoritarian. That's bogus because the differences between all 4 types of Marxism are so minute that there cannot possibly be any room between them for our Constitution and freedom. What you need to do is stop looking at Nazism and fascism as the extreme right. If anything they are only a hair's width to the right of socialism and communism.

Why? Because that stupid scale completely leaves out anarchy. Where does anarchy fit on that scale? It doesn't. What you have to do is move much farther to the right and leave all those authoritarian governments on the far left. Anarchy is at the extreme far right. What is a few steps to the left is the Constitution and the founding fathers.

I will admit that the Republicans are much farther to the left than they portray themselves. That's why I'm not a Republican any more. I joined the Constitution Party over 10 years ago. I stand with the founding fathers, who by the way were NOT authoritarian in the slightest.

No, the meaning of conservative is conservative, not the self-appointed gatekeepers of some mythologized vision laid out by the sainted Founding Fathers inspired by liberty, individuality, and worth of the common man.

Conservatives then as now were royalists, hence the continued appeal of top heavy big governments and authoritarian fascistic figures to them, like a Reagan, like a Trump - like a Putin. It's not like America's about to resign to the British Commonwealth and put King Chuck on our coins. So the next best option as far as they're concerned would be the wannabe dictator who would be king, the more Nazi-esque the better to them.

The modern Conservative movement was born as a reaction against freedom for former slaves and additional civil rights granted to them as well as to other minorities and women. Add to that resistance to notions in science such as evolution - the Scopes Monkey Trial not only spurred them, but basically created [see what I did there?] the Christian Fundamentalist Movement. That's what Conservatism in America is today, a reactionary movement against civil rights, women's rights, and modern science.

tl:dr

Progressives are corporatist centrists that sit between conservatives and libertarians.

Anarchists are the bottom of the scale.

Any other silly questions?

That is a chart created by liberals. It means nothing. Here is another one that the Libertarians use.

I trust the Libertarians more than the liberals but I take issue with an authoritarian right. ALL authoritarianism is left wing. Every single type of authoritarianism is. The far left and authoritarianism are synonymous. They mean the same thing.

The far right is anarchy, no government at all. This includes anarcho-capitalism, anarcho-communism, and voluntarists. It is not a square chart, nor is it a circular chart. It is a horizontal line. All tyranny is on the left and anarchy is on the right.

The reason is it linear is because you are either for tyranny or liberty and it can be by degree. The more you want to have the government do stuff for you the farther left you are. The less government intervention in your live the more right you are. That is all there is to it.

There are three types of people in the world. Those who want to rule other people. Those who want to be ruled by other people. And those who just want to be left alone. The first two are essentially the same because the second, those who want to be ruled, will do everything in their power to insure that you are ruled right along with them. They become proxy tyrants.

The last group are on the far right. They do not need or want the government meddling in their lives. They believe all taxation is theft. That sounds a whole like the libertarian position but that is because libertarians are farther to the right than conservatives.

Hahahaha... you're ridiculous.

"ALL authoritarianism is left wing" ... immediately after the diagram showing the Authoritarian right.

The only difference between the two political compasses is that mine is overlaid with the actual political ideologies, whereas yours leaves that up to your wild imagination.

Sorry bud, your understanding of politics is on par with any American third grader.

Hey! That's 4th grade! Get it right. 🤣

"Democrats were the conservative party until Jefferson left office"

Again, your understanding of American history is right about what you'd expect from someone who learned it from cartoons.

Andrew Jackson was the first Democrat to step out of the Jeffersonian standard with his manifest destiny. That led to the deaths of millions of native Americans.

John Locke is considered the father of classical liberalism. Thomas Hobbes is considered the father of classical conservatism. If you look at their writings it is very to see there is a real disconnect between classical liberalism and modern liberalism. Modern liberals sound much more like Hobbes. Modern conservatives sound just like classical liberals.

All you have to do is just pay attention to what we are saying and stop listening to what the left is telling you what we believe. It's not that hard. I am the farthest thing from an authoritarian. If I was any farther away I would be an anarchist but I'm not.

Here's the 2024 map from the people who invented the political compass - you'll note the candidates fall pretty much right where the diagram I posted of political ideologies said they would.

You see, on the compass you have two axis: North to South represents the political ideology from authoritarianism to anarchy, and West to East represents the fiscal ideology from collectivism to corporatism.

If you go back to the diagram I posted earlier, you can see this is the case, as the authoritarian collectivists (communists) are in the upper left, and authoritarian corporatists (fascists) are in the upper right.

Likewise, we can see the bottom half of the diagram represents the libertarian contingents - from socialist libertarians on the left to their capitalist counterparts on the right.

https://politicalcompass.org/uselection2024

Who arbitrarily put Trump and Vance in the upper right corner? Clearly they weren't listening to what Trump is saying.

Explain to me how Trump is a dictator.

Hannity: "you are promising america tonight, you would never abuse power as retribution against anyone"

Trump: "Except for day one"

Trump: "He says, 'You're not going to be a dictator, are you?', I said, 'No, no, no, other than day one'"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQkrWL7YuGk

So then enforcing our sovereignty laws (which have been a part of this country and every other country in the world) and ending our dependence on foreign oil are what makes a dictator in your book?

And I always thought selling us out to the World Economic Forum so that global fascists take everything we have and then renting it to us, telling us were we can live, work, vacation and controlling our food, water, energy and transportation was more dictatorial. And if you think this is some wild conspiracy theory then go to the WEF's website and look up "smart cities" or "15 minute cities". And just know that the Biden campaign borrowed "Build Back Better" from the WEF. It was their slogan for their "Great Reset" plan to collapse the global economy and replace capitalism with fascism.

Harris wants to give all 1st time home owners 25k for a down payment. Democrats don't see or don't care that doing so will cause housing once again skyrocket. This is part of the WEF's "you will own nothing and be happy" plan.

BTW Blackrock, the largest investment firm in the world and an integral ally to the WEF has been buying up property in America like crazy. They are in a race with China to own America. China is not part of the WEF. China has their own alliance with Russia and Iran. The WEF is mostly taking over the Western world, which exactly why Europe is having massive inflation and mass immigration of mostly fighting age males from Islamic countries.

The Great Reset has to take Europe down as well as Australia, New Zealand and Canada. Klaus Schwab, former president of the WEF, even bragged about which countries have sold out to him. I'll bet that really pissed Schwab off when he lost Argentina to a free market libertarian. He bragged about having Argentina and then they voted out there puppet. Biden and Harris are their puppets in America.

Democrats were the conservative party during the first half of the 20th century.

They became progressives during the civil rights era (1940s-1970s), at which point the Republicans swept in to snatch up the southern white vote.

This was, of course, clearly demonstrated in voting patterns of the former confederate states.

Democrats were the conservative party until Jefferson left office. By the time Andrew Jackson came around they started their journey into tyranny. However, they were far more conservative than they are now. BUT SO WERE THE REPUBLICANS AND THE WHIGS WHO PRECEEDED THEM. The entire nation was conservative or what is now called classical liberalism. Modern liberalism is when the tyrannical Progressives tried to mask their authoritarianism by claiming to be the party of liberty, and they hijacked the word liberal.

When they did that they inadvertently changed the definition of conservative. Modern liberals are classical conservatives. The idea that mankind cannot be trusted to govern themselves and, therefore, must be controlled by the government. The meaning of conservative is one who is trying to conserve or preserve our inherent inalienable rights, our liberty and trying to restore our small and virtually powerless federal government.

Trump and Vance "arbitrarily put" themselves in the upper right corner based on their platform and their speeches - again, this is the political compass project, the thing the Libertarians use.

A dictator on day one who intends to engage in the largest mass deportation event in United States history, strip LGBTQIA+ citizens of rights, give away trillions to his wealthy supporters, corrupt the executive and judicial branches with ideologues, all while subjugating all of us to the will of a party that represents a shrinking minority of Americans.

What's really interesting is when you put the graphs for 2016 and 2020 up against those, you can see he's continually moved further and further into the fringe of right-wing authoritarianism over the years.

https://politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

https://politicalcompass.org/uselection2020

https://politicalcompass.org/uselection2024

"A dictator on day one who intends to engage in the largest mass deportation event in United States history, strip LGBTQIA+ citizens of rights, give away trillions to his wealthy supporters, corrupt the executive and judicial branches with ideologues, all while subjugating all of us to the will of a party that represents a shrinking minority of Americans."

And Trump specifically said all of that? Point out the speeches. I've heard the left say all of this stuff but so far I haven't heard Trump say ANYTHING like this.

For one, dictators may or may not engage in "mass deportation". That does not define a dictator. Especially when those who he allegedly intends on deporting have violated our sovereignty laws, which is a felony.

At no time have I ever heard anyone on the right talk about mass deportation. Deportation, yes, but never mass deportation. The government just doesn't have the manpower to round up everyone all at one time. The other problem is that if somehow it were possible to round everyone up at the same time and deport them, that would collapse our economy. Collapsing the economy is more of a Democrat goal.

"strip LGBTQIA+ citizens of rights". And what rights are those? I just want to know seeing how you are accusing the right of wanting to do this. And again, I've never heard a single conservative ever say anything about taking the rights away from anyone, let alone the alphabet collective where liberals herd people with any kind of sexual peculiarity into. Nope. No rights will be taken.

"give away trillions to his wealthy supporters". No, that is definitely a Democrat thing. That is why Biden has been laundering money through Ukraine only to have most of it end back in the DNC. I haven't heard of any plans of Trump to give taxpayer dollars away to anyone. That doesn't mean he won't. Trump spends money as fast as a Democrat and that is my big beef with Trump. Spending did not decrease under Trump from Obama's spending spree. He just kept right on spending.

"corrupt the executive" The executive is more corrupt than I have ever seen it before. I don't see how Trump can make them stoop any lower.

"judicial branches with ideologues" Hopefully they he will continue nominating constitutionalists. Not like Cavenaugh. We don't need any more Bret Cavanaughs. If he could clone Thomas and Alito then he would be doing his job correctly. Not like the Democrats who have ruled the courts for decades with there Anti-Constitutional, pro-Marxist idiots. The Marxists on the court don't judge cases by their Constitutionality, they unconstitutionally make law based on whatever whim the left can think up.

Dumping Roe v Wade was a huge step in the right direction because it was a bad ruling. Legislating from the bench violates both the letter and spirit of the Constitution. The left is pissed because when the unconstitutionally make law, they must have it apply to everyone. Screw the will of the people, screw states rights. It is power the Democrats crave.

"all while subjugating all of us to the will of a party that represents a shrinking minority of Americans" Are you sure about that? Your the ones who are murdering your future voters. Oh..... I forgot.... You mean all of those people who are in the country illegally. You need them to illegally keep the power elite in office. It is a fact that if the majority of people who entered this country illegally were conservative, the Democrats would have built that wall decades ago.

We want to subjugate everyone under the burden of freedom. We want to burden ourselves with what has been, and not look at what can be living under tyranny.

Sure, George Washington gave a dandy speech where he said he supposedly opposed them.

That being said, Washington was in effect very much a Federalist, the party his Secretary of Treasury, Alexander Hamilton, created. Hamilton controlled Washington, molded his policy.
The big government favoring Federalist Party ultimately involved into the Republican Party.

Jefferson's counter to it, the Democratic Republicans, which favored states rights and a smaller central government, later became the Democratic Party.

I don't have to imagine it. It sticks its ugly butt in my face every day.

In what way has Trump himself promised he’d ruin America?

Clever

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Weird to admit you jack off to trump, but not surprising.