One does not simply cut their penis off

'That wig and heels don't look like social constructs to me..'

It's because the surgery doesn't affirm the person's gender itself (you can't change your gender, regardless of how your body might change), but can help ease gender dysphoria; that is, surgery can help someone to feel more comfortable in their body

Gender Dysphoria. . .aka. . .puberty for 99.99% of teens.

I understand where you're coming from. I have heard that some people can get overwhelmed by changes that happen during puberty (I never experienced it, as I never really noticed a change.) However, those feelings usually lessen after puberty, as the person becomes more accustomed to their developed body. Gender dysphoria, on the other hand, also includes feelings that one should have body parts belonging to the opposite sex, and persists after puberty.

The question then is - "Are these people getting proper treatment(s) or are they being used for someone else's agenda?"

Because some people think that it does define gender. Yet they get mad when safe and effective surgeries are done to match what they think define genders?

That's one way to gaslight.

What do you mean?

Do you mean to tell me that it isn’t?

Side effects (mental trauma) spike greatly the younger the individual is that gets surgery ( 16 and younger include ambulatory surgery). These types of things need incredibly higher levels of regulation - Also anyone under 18 should not have -any- body altering surgeries done.

Well, yeah, these surgeries are seldom done to minors, nor should they be unless said surgery is necessary for an emergency (like a mastectomy for breast cancer, for example). But, I haven’t heard about those sorts of side effects happening before; is that a newer discovery?

Depression and suicide is often a side effect from doing something radical like breast removal from a female that is not even past puberty yet. These ambulatory surgeries are not reported as surgeries, Take into consideration the suicide rates of teens today.. the rates have sky rocketed since the transgender movement started to include children.

The reason that depression/suicide rates are so high in LGBTQ+ individuals is the stigma around them. While the U.S. has gotten a lot more accepting as a whole, for many of us from conservative backgrounds, being outed would be pretty much a death sentence. Not to mention how an entire major political party, one that is likely to take the Oval Office at that, has made it part of their platform to ostracize us even further.

And I can’t say I know what you mean by “started to include”. You talk as if we’re some kind of secret society. We’re not. But the awareness of us has grown to that some people realize who they are at a younger age than before. There’s nothing wrong with that, and many medicines given to these kids are 100% reversible and safe.

As for the consequences of gender affirming care in teenagers, where did you find your information on that? It was my understanding that the care given to most teens helped, not harmed them. Part of me wonders whether it’s the surgery itself that causes the stress, or the stigma people who are mostly conservative (After all, not all conservatives are transphobic, and not all Liberals are trans affirming) puts on people who receive said surgeries

I am sorry, but the suicide rates are so far beyond "social stigma" .. the only comparison to the rates are from Bi polar and paranoid schizophrenics and Jews in Concentration camps.. If social stigma was a contributing factor to suicide , fat kids would have a 90% mortality rate. This push on to children in preschool is brand new, people that are 18 years and older can do whatever they want and be whom ever they want to be, however, pushing that identity on to children that have not even reached puberty yet should be considered child abuse and sexual exploitation. I am , to my core as a person, against transgender ideology being pushed on to kids that young. One more thing, nothing is 100% safe, and why would any parent allow a child to have multiple surgeries , each with significant risk, simply to try to find what they think they identify as, when many adults still are having trouble finding their identity?

Again, I’m not saying anyone should get these surgeries before 18, since they’re irreversible. I agree with you on that.

But I find your claim of “transgender ideology being pushed onto kids that young” to be rather weird. By the literal interpretation of such, I also agree. No one should have any major ideology forced down their throats at that age. But to frame it a bit looser, I see no harm in children being aware of queer folk. Maybe not preschool age, that’s a bit too young, and there definitely should be no political slant on how they are portrayed, even for older kids or teens.

And yes, nothing is 100% safe. That being said, these surgeries have shown to have a significantly lower regret rate than other surgeries. These rates tend to be lower than 1%, while the average for other surgeries is closer to 14.4%. Though that number was admittedly done through a Google search, and the average may be influenced by outliers. But back to the point: if these surgeries were any riskier than any other, then why is there such a low regret rate? While it may not prove them to be safe outright, it does hint towards that conclusion

After 18 its none of my business what people do with their lives. However , like I said, the problem is when children are invovled - I have 3 children, but after reading your last reply it pretty much seems like we agree on that. Love the "no political slant" remark, I agree with that million % - That clip I posted about Hillary Cass has just been brought to my attention. But long term side effects have been appearing in people that were on Hormone therapy as children, including cancers and bones diseases.

Dr. Hillary Cass, former president of the Royal College of Pediatrics and Child Health, recently ordered a systematic review of “trans” medical care in the UK. Her work led to an official about-face on subjecting children to dangerous hormone treatments. In new comments to the New York Times this week, Cass blasted U.S. medical organizations for “misleading the public” about children’s medical care. This is from 05/17/2024