Leftist Logic on What It Takes to Bring the Government Down

sorry but the protesters were armed and rioters. learn shit before you post. brainwashed by some stupid fox news

Oooh, dangerous. Let's go over the body count. ZERO. So armed or unarmed the protestors were safe.

Now let's look at the body count of the police. One. That's Ashli Babbit shot by police officer THUG Michael Byrd. But don't worry. His department did an investigation on itself and found that itself meaning him did no wrong. I see no conflict of interest whatsoever. LOL.

I'm not brainwashed. I see the truth. You should, too. It will set you free, buddy!

they had weapons. mabye not guns but still weapons. ive also heard of cops there losing eyes and ears.hell one of my friends dead who is a cop saw a guy get stabbed

Stashed in a hotel does not equal on grounds of capitol. Try again.

We'll see how those charges play out for the political hostages. Innocent until proven guilty. I know you don't believe it but I do. I'm an American.

We've already seen how those charges played out. People have been found guilty for carrying guns at the capitol. The "completely unarmed" narrative is bullsh*t and it's been proven in a court of law.

"Innocent until proven guilty. I know you don't believe it but I do."

False. And do you actually believe that..... or only for people you agree with?

One easy way to find out:

What are your thoughts on the Biden 'Crime Family' ?

'Crooked' Hillary ?

And why did it take this many exchanges to get the truth out of you anyway? At first you were just talking about a stash at a hotel that was not on capitol grounds. Very weird strategy if I do say so myself. You think you're playing 4-D chess here? I think you're playing pocket pool.

My point here was refuting the claim that guns weren't in the mix... from someone who I otherwise more or less agreed with. (Perpetual-black)

You hopped in, responding to my response to them (apparently having done zero research yourself?), and told me to "try again"..... so I did.

Also I didn't think of this at the time (and correct me if I'm wrong) but you labeling J6 idiots as "political prisoners" means you think they were jailed for their political beliefs... Which I am pretty sure would be illegal discrimination/ detention. (A crime the arresting officers are guilty of until proven innocent?)

They should be charged and are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law but they will not be charged in the first place just as BLM and Antifa have never been charged for their crimes and property damage and they never will be!

The QANON Shaman as eccentric as he was dressed and was, was completely innocent of everything he was accused of and yet was imprisoned and had evidence suppressed by bad actors in the court because of which side of the aisle he was on. That's just a fact. Next time you're invited to take a tour of the capitol by police officers, I suggest you refuse.

I didn't participate in that crap. I don't think it was intelligent for anybody to do so. It only gave the other side ammunition. But like the people who stayed outside the building and were REALLY innocent of anything they could possibly be charged with (seriously) I still support their right to peaceably protest as enshrined in the First Amendment. It's called the Constitution. I suggest you read it.

And yet nobody on the side of the protestors murdered anyone. How many people have BLM and Antifa murdered again? Over 40 black people and counting. The protestors are even safer with their weapons than police as we can see. The people I don't trust with a gun? People on your side.

Yes we're lucky J6 didn't end much, much worse than it did... for everyone involved. I vageuly recall a policeman did die later but there was some debate here whether or not it was due to injuries sustained.

Also to be clear, I would not consider ANTIFA as on my side. I mean in the begging it was cool like... anti fascism.. right on. but at some point they basically became anarchists. Attacking the DNC and rioting during the BLM protests and such. I mean I get that they sided with the movement protesting against police brutality. That makes sense. But arson, looting, and violence is counterproductive to that movement.

https://www.adl.org/resources/report/murder-and-extremism-united-states-2022

The ADL is one of the least trustworthy organizations out there right now. Don't bother listening to their statistics. Their definition of racism only goes from one source to one source. And those are from white people to non-white people. It literally was their definition of racism put proudly on their page at one point, THOUGH, I think they might have taken it down since they got flak for it like they cowards they are.

Similarly BLM put on their page that they wanted to disrupt the nuclear family structure which they said was rooted in white supremacy (these people, man) and they cowardly took that down when people started noticing and they got flak for it.

There was an officer who died the day after January 6th named Brian Sicknick. It's a compelling story because supposedly he was brutally beaten with a fire extinguisher on the grounds, came back to the precinct, and later died of a stroke, I believe. The trouble is there's literally no evidence he was ever beaten with a fire extinguisher nor anything else. People started questioning the narrative when police were combing the footage and couldn't find any of this incident.

It's interesting because meanwhile we have about a thousand different angles on everything else that happened because of security cam footage and cell phone footage, yada yada yada. The age of uncertainty is dead, my friend. LOL. Tragic as officer Sicknick's death is and I regret it I believe that ultimately we will have to chalk his death up as being to natural causes, namely whatever causes strokes.

And people who are dishonest about his death posting the dates of his birth and death leave out the month and day parts but leave in the years. Which is also a smooth move for smooth brains. That should raise questions in anybody discerning about their information. It actually caused me to look up the date of his death to make sure I had it right. Again, tragic, but there is no evidence he sustained any injuries.

Was that all stuff they found around the place? And the body count is still zero for their side. Perhaps you missed the fact that cops actually instigated that violence by shooting tear gas and other crowd control measures into the mob. You're on the left right? Doesn't that piss you off when they do that? You'd be screaming bloody murder if they did that at a "mostly peaceful" BLM/Antifa riot. By the way, BLM and Antifa killed over 40 black people and counting. Just sayin'.

A group trying to take over our government themselves by force on a random tuesday would need quite an army and serious firepower to do that.

A group trying to disrupt a democratic process to reinstall a previously elected president might not need quite so much. And to say there were "unarmed" is false.

They wouldn't need quite so much. Okay, without quite so much did they succeed?

No... Luckily they were a bunch of idiots who failed to stop the "steal" and didn't do much except expose weaknesses in our government's processes, weaknesses in the Capitol building itself, weaknesses in security, and get themselves arrested. Unfortunately they also beat up a bunch of cops and one of them managed to get themselves shot while trying to enter a barricaded area.

How much more would they have needed? I'm trying to get a bead on this "quite so much" quantity you're talking about.

I guess however many more weapons it would've taken to "convince" Mike Pence to reject the official electoral college votes there at the Capitol....( if he would even do it.)

You realize even Van Jones on your side thought the alternate electors slate was a legitimate and legal way for Trump to stay in the whitehouse, right? I've got that footage if you want to catch it.

1. Van Jones..? Who? 🤔

2. Saying "even Van Jones" makes it sound like it is some mainstream belief held by the dems. Who else agreed with him?

3. I'm not a lawyer or anything but let's say that part was true and legal.... I don't think storming the capitol and using the threat of violence to force a vice president to do it would be.

4. This alleged legal possibility seems to give more credence to my claim that it might not take as much firepower for a group to do this compared to a group trying to take over the government on a random Tuesday.

Van Jones- contributor at CNN, I believe. Bald black guy. If you don't know him, I don't blame you. No foul on that. I'm just saying that it was mainstream enough that CNN did broadcast this theory and it sounds like there's more information about the alternate electors slate and the history of it but the imperfection of my memory doesn't allow me to retain all the data about it.

But you are right that the legal possibility does lend credence to "less firepower needed"- it probably should mean "no firepower needed." But if that's the case then no uprising has happened in the first place. My opinion is yes, the democrats absolutely cheated in the 2020 election, and we needed to fix it, but it should've been done differently. The ability of democrats to cheat is far and wide because they've invented literally all of them.

I see a TED talk by him from October 2020... I wonder if that's where the donald actually got the idea from or if wheels were already in motion prior to that. 🤔

"...should mean "no firepower needed." But if that's the case then no uprising has happened in the first place. "

If true, it would mean "no firepower needed" THEORETICALLY. But an uprising (or an attempt anyway) clearly took place.

You can't beat police officers... with weapons... smash windows to break into the Capitol...on the day of the vote count... literally call yourself "Stop the Steal"... and then turn around and be like... what? Nah bro. Uprising? This was merely a "guided tour"!!
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The idea that Joe Biden /the democrats stole the election from trump, seems to be one more example of the right failing to actually believe "innocent until proven guilty".

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Oh, this was I reply to yours about five lights, but the comet chain had ended so I posted it up here.

In case the reference didn't make sense to you or anyone else, that's Captain Picard from Star Trek: The Next Generation in an episode where he was getting tortured by a Cardashian who was trying to brainwash him into thinking he saw three lights instead of four. So when Picard finally got to leave, he defiantly told the Cardashian that there are four lights.

Man.. I used to watch that show so I should know that reference... but I don't remeber that episode.

I blame the Cardashians with a K.

There was at least 6 of them.. not 3!

Kim's booty brainwashed me.

Idk what the hell it did to Kanye.
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https://rumble.com/v4d2nzf-feds-wont-arrest-trumper-who-fired-gun-and-killed-someone-during-j6.html

Here's your character that shot someone on J6.

How about 5 lights?
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$83.3 million for E. Jean Carroll

I remember when you said "no links" after I destroyed you in our last argument. Shouldn't you still be licking your wounds from that one?

Innocent until proven guilty, sure. But are you telling me there's NOTHING suspicious about the way the 2020 election went? You're not questioning anything that happened in all of that?

You see, I think just the fact that the people who ran it came out and said "this was the most secure election in history" like they were guilty of something was enough to raise an eyebrow. Even if you weren't apprised on all of the anomalies, inconsistencies, and straight up defiling of constitutions both state constitutions and this country's constitution at the same time! And I'm only talking about Pennsylvania alone.

The 2020 election stinks to high heaven and if you're one of those democrats who says he doesn't see anything, I have to say I think you're lying. Democrats questioned the integrity of voting machines before 2020. In fact, there's an HBO special called Kill Chain that's still up questioning the integrity of voting machines! Georgia, I think, just banned voting machines! I can send you supercut after supercut of democrat politicians excoriating the use of electronic voting machines. Then they fast-tracked mail-in ballots without testing.

Even if nothing actually did happen all the doors were opened so that everything could happen. And that's where the questions about election integrity come from. But if you want to tell me with a straight face like the authorities that the 2020 election was the most secure election of all time, well I think I understand I'm addressing an NPC at that point.

All of the stuff about the election that was questioned that I looked into turned out to be nothingburger after nothingburger. Just as all the repeated claims about trump being reinstated were. And all the court cases about the election.

For example one of the errors provided to me as supposed proof Joe Biden stole the election turned out to be an error done by a life-long republican that was caught by and corrected.

Humans aren't perfect. The more total votes there are, the more likely there are to be counting errors.

Another one was dead people voting. Loki told me (and as far as I know still believes) millions of dead people voted for Biden in 2020. I looked into the handful of actual examples provided and half of em weren't dead the other half voted republican.

But anyway I also question the integrity of machines. But as far as this past election, Dominion sued Fox News for defamation and basically won. If ever there was a time to prove the machines cheated that election, that would've been it. But they decided to shell out however many millions of dollars instead. So I think it's pretty safe to assume if they could've proven that the machines cheated the election, they would have.

As far as "the most secure" idk. But trumps own people agreed that he lost. I'm sure if the donald ends up getting elected later this year he will either try harder to find good little "yes men"...or his administration will once again be a constant revolving door circus like it was last time.

Darko, you just admitted to losing in this article of a lie. "Yes, but some people are saying Trump lost. Trump's own men. Brr de brrr brrr." Well, Trump had some snakes in his adminstration. We all know that. And if you want to go by popularity right now the amount of people who believe the 2020 election was rigged is growing by very real numbers- enough to make headlines. Go ahead and look into them yourself. You will (not) be disappointed.

'The idea that Joe Biden /the democrats stole the election from trump, seems to be one more example of the right failing to actually believe "innocent until proven guilty".'

Okay, Jan. *rolls eyes* How much do you have to practice to rubberneck away from the truth like that?