Trump Democracy

The Colorado Supreme court just ruled that Trump cannot be on the ballot due to the fact that he hasn't been tried or convicted of any crimes . . . but he LOOKS guilty. Fortunately there is plenty of time for the U.S. Supreme Court to over rule the Marxist/Fascists of the Colorado court.

The 14th Amendment says nothing about being charged, tried, or convicted of any crime - just that one must commit insurrection against the constitution.

One of the MAGAt terrorists has already been thrown out of office using the 14th amendment for participating in Trump's insurrection, so the precedent is sound.

That clause does not have to state that a trial and conviction must come first, because the Constitution explicitly states that one is innocent until PROVEN guilty and that guilt MUST be via a court of law. There has been no trial and no conviction; and thus Trump is innocent. Therefore the Colorado Supreme Court has gone rogue and deliberately violated the Constitution.

Well... they also applauded Americans being interned in the DC gulag without due process of the law...

They honestly think that there will be no meaningful consequences from their consistent trashing of the Constitution by their own lawmakers and politically weaponized enforcement agencies. The combination of arrogance and their rank ignorance of history is . . . breathtaking.

Yup... Trump exposed their criminal hypocrisy...

The amount of projection in this conversation would be astounding were it not for the fact every criticism of the left is an admission of guilt by the right.

Ah, yes, rules for radicals in action on this very thread.

"Accuse your opponent of what you are doing, to create confusion and to inculcate voters against evidence of your own guilt."
~Saul Alinsky

Hillary Clinton wrote her senior thesis on the the views advocated by "Community Organizer" Saul Alinsky. Saul Alinski was the inspiration behind Obama becoming a "Community Organizer."

Look in the mirror, leftist. It is your party who espouses these views and accusing your opposition of that which your are guilty of. We see right through you.

That's quite the reach for the follower of an actual fascist who praises dictators, repeats nazi slogans, and keeps his copy of Mein Kampf close by at all times.

The words "innocent until proven guilty" appear nowhere in the Constitution, and the people the 14th Amendmemt were originally written to prohibit from holding office were never tried for their treason.

Are you just making this up as you go, or uncritically regurgitating some nonsense you heard some right-wing talking head vomit up?

Holy crap. The Constitution is wrapped around the concept of a trial by jury as its legal foundation. I . . . just . . . can't deal with anymore leftist versions of alternate realities this morning on this subject while they collectively celebrate the methodical trashing of this nation's justice system for blatant political reasons. Buh-bye.

No, no - you said the constitution "explicitly states that one is innocent until PROVEN guilty".

Show your work - where does it explicitly state that?

I am not going to bandy words with a leftist that believes the Constitution supports 'guilty until proven innocent'. I haven't blocked anyone on this site for months. Congratulations on being the first.

Appreciate the block since you're clearly unable to admit when you're wrong.

It's called the due process clause and is well established Constitutional law. But please, continue looking stupid..

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/436/478/

The presumption of innocence is recognized as a due process right under the Fifth Amendment. The prosecutor has the burden of proof to show you are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

I'm not surprised to hear that you don't see it ad a right though. Anti-American leftists are always attacking the Constitution and American ideals.

I didn't say anything about it being a right - just that those words don't explicitly appear in the document Charles pretends to know the contents of.

Ok, then Biden has committed insurrection because 4 conservative justices said so. You can no longer vote for him.

So your political ideology is loudly misunderstanding how everything works - that checks out.

This from the people throwing someone off the ballot simply due to his ideology. Delicious...

No one is being thrown off the ballot for his ideology - his attempts to remain in office, from fake electors to attacking the certification of the results, were exactly the sort of insurrection against the constitution and our representative system of government that were envisioned when the 14th Amendment purposely prohibited traitors from serving.

And if you were one of 12 people to decide that, it would actually be a fact. However, you have 4 democrat appointed judges just deciding that without a trial or a reasonable chance to mount a defense. It is funny when you guys wring your hands about people "destroying democracy" when you are literally doing just that. If it weren't so delusional, it wouldn't be so freakin hilarious.

First, you watch too much television - trials, especially at the state and federal Supreme Court levels don't have juries.

Second, Trump's attempts to overturn the election - from the Big Lie to fake electors, and attempting to strong-arm state officials to attacking the January 6th certification of the vote by congress with a milita of goons - was the attack on both democracy and our system of government.

Removing him from the ballot is the constitutionally proscribed response to that undemocratic, anti-American attempt to seize power - and if you don't grasp that, then you're the one lost in delusion.

Ugh, yeah the federal and state can't just come in and make you guilty of a crime without you even defending yourself. This isn't Russia you idiot..

"Insurrection" is a crime. I our justice system, you are innocent until proven guilty. Therefore, Trump has no committed an insurrection. Pretty simple stuff.

The 14th Amendment has nothing to do with the justice system - it's about forbidding people who attack our system of government from holding office within it.

It is pretty simple stuff as long as your head isn't being filled with garbage from the likes of Turley.

So... We can just accuse anyone of being an "insurrectionist" on a whin and then ban them from running for office? You do realize how absurd that is, don't you? You are not legally recognized as an "insurectionist" until you have been found guilty of such. Period.

Is that what you think has happened, or are you asking a purposely absurd question in an attempt to dismiss the mountain of evidence also presented?