This land has always belong to the Israelites. It never belonged to the Arabic people living in the nation of Israel.

They didn't.

There has always been a Jewish presence in the land. Different people tried to take claim of the land (Ottoman Turks, British and now Hamas) but it was always Israel and it always belonged to the Israelis.

Because they have lived there ever since they left Egypt. This historical fact is talked about in the Bible but it is certainly not the only place you can find references to the Israelites living there.

It is amazing to me how the left talks about how we stole the land of the indigenous people in America. Then the left turns right around and wants to kick the indigenous people of Israel off of their land, the land that is named after them.

Palestine is another name for the land but that name was given to the land as an offense to the Jews. The Romans called the land "Palestina" which is derived from the Hebrew "Pelesheth". Pelesheth is who English speakers call "Philistines". So the Romans were telling the Jews that this land belonged to the Philistines and not them, even though there were no Philistines in existence when the Roman Empire was around.

The Philistines are mentioned in more places than just the Bible, they are well known to historians and archeologists of the area. They were a seafaring people who had colonies all over northern Africa, Southern Europe and in Israel. The Israelites warred with them for centuries and then the entire group of people just faded out of history. Most likely they assimilated into other cultures.

You need to understand that just because something is in the Bible does not mean it is fiction. It is popular for the misinformed and uneducated to lampoon everything in the Bible but what you fail to know is that the Bible has been one of the greatest archeological sources of the area. And with very few exceptions every place and every people mentioned in the Bible has been verified by historians and archeologists.

"The difference is that Jewish people are not the only people who have been living in the Middle East for the past 3000 years. There are many other ethnic groups who have inhabited that land in that time. Just because the Jewish religion has a book which says it belongs only to the Jewish people doesn't mean that it does."

The other ethnicities who inhabited that land no longer exist as an ethnicity. The Canaanites and the Philistines no longer exist. The Babylonians, Persians and Assyrians invaded and took possession of the land. The Babylon is now Iran, the Persia is now Iraq and Assyria is now Syria. None of them are the great empires they once were and they're not directly trying to take over Israel.

The Ottoman Turks claimed the land followed by Great Britain.

However, the goal of the Muslim religion is a global caliphate. Global domination. It has been since the beginning of the religion. So while Iraq, Iran and Syria may not directly being trying to take the land, their are factions in those countries who finance and support the caliphate.

This is the goal of ISIS or as Obama called them, ISIL. ISIS stands for Islamic State, Iran and Syria. The Muslims and Obama preferred Islamic State, Iran and the Levant. The Levant is Syria, Lebanon and Israel. Obama also referred to Jerusalem as Al Quds which is what the Muslims call Jerusalem. I'm not saying Obama is a Muslim but he used to be in his childhood.

Anyway, the Arabic Muslims living in Israel today do not have a claim to the land. It was never theirs. Their only claim is they want the total extermination of all Jews to fulfil the will of Allah. And then they are coming for the Christians.

That's true. In fact most of them don't. But it is a commandment in the Quran.

99.999999999% of them do.
I challenge you to ask any Palestinian if they want a two state solution and I will bet you that NOT ONE will say “yes”.

"The other ethnicities who inhabited that land no longer exist as an ethnicity. The Canaanites and the Philistines no longer exist. The Babylonians, Persians and Assyrians invaded and took possession of the land. The Babylon is now Iran, the Persia is now Iraq and Assyria is now Syria. None of them are the great empires they once were and they're not directly trying to take over Israel."

The Assyrians invaded and took possession of Israel round 720 BC, when the latter thus ceased to exist. They picked the wrong name for New Judea, as the 10 Tribes of Israel in that land have been gone - without a smidgen of a hint of the slightest trace - for nearly 3000 years. That's even longer than the Judeans being removed from Judea by the Romans in 70AD. Those are the Eastern Europeans who now occupy Palestine, more Slavic than Semite. They, the Askanazis, treat 'Arab' Jews - Mizrahi and Sephardim - as 2nd class citizens, despite those residing throughout the ME and eastward for ages.

"The Babylon is now Iran, the Persia is now Iraq and Assyria is now Syria."

The Assyrians were later absorbed into Babylon, both located round the area that is now Iraq. Assyria is NOT Syria. Millions of Assyrians still exist in Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Turkey.

The name "Persia" came from what Alexander the Great called Iran, "Parsia" - Land of the Pars. Pars and the Medes (Media in the map beig Mede land in what is now the northwestern area of Iran) being the 1st and 2nd major Aryan tribes in what became Aran (Land of the Aryan), known as Iran today. It is the 2nd oldest country in the world. It still exists, as it has for over 2600 years.

As usual you are just making up disinformation.

ISIS taking over Iran would be like the Conch Republic of the Florida Keys taking over the USA.

Iran, through General Soleimani and their Quds force, along with Kurdish Peshmerga and Iraqi Shiite militias which he coordinated, did most of the fighting against ISIL in Iraq as well as Quds and Kurds in Syria agianst ISIS.
Obama laid out plans in 2014 to route ISIL, again, mainly fought by Soleimani's forces, which Trump took credit for in 2017. In 2020 Trump sold out the Kurds who fought ISIS for us in Syria to Erdogan /Turkey.

Obama gave Israel $100 billion for the Iron Dome Israel is using now, which Israel 'accidentally' left 'off' for 7hrs on Oct 7th. We now know Israel knew about the impending Hamas attack for ONLY 1 whole year, so not enough time to find the on switch.

this is what absolutely stuns me.

so many people rightly have come to the conclusion that corporate media has been lying to them for decades.
so they have migrated to independent and alternative media,rightly so.

and what have they done with this newfound freedom of information,analysis and deep dive conversations?

attached their wagon to the talking head that most appeals to their biases and prejudices.cheering their favorite demagogue as they are fed a consistent diet of confirmation bias.

so instead of an echo chamber being forced on them,they have instead willingly walked into the echo chamber of their own choosing,and grossly patted themselves on the back for their perceived defiance to their corporate masters.
when in reality they have defied nothing but feed their own egos,and their own self-serving desire to be RIGHT.
ironically serving the establishment.

they can see the narrative forming.
they know there is an agenda at play.
yet they refuse to even entertain an opposing view,or tolerate even a modicum of pushback.
because it threatens their world view.
their meager understandings.
it exposes their ignorance.

and what is so bad or wrong about being ignorant about something?
it is not an incurable disease.
you didn't catch aids.

just look at the CONFIDENCE they post bullshit.
it blows my mind.

if we can't even come to terms with differing opinions, which is basically just analysis based on our understandings at that point in time, then we can never get to the politics.
which is the ACTUAL meat and potatoes.

instead, we see battle royales of rhetoric.
rhetoric that was fed to them!
it is just pure laziness.

but,to be up front.
this is where i find the majority of my entertainment.
so don't you start critically examining issues kiddies and wrecking enochs fun time!
god forbid you all abandon your partisan hackery.

History may be written by the victors, but now reality can rewritten by any loser who can type "poo" into a search bar. The meek truly have inherited the Earth, but some shouldn't have been let out of their rooms.

Truth is passe, logic is irrelevant. People like lies. It's like in that episode in The Walking Dead where Carol said of the fine folks of the town, Alexandria, that she was duping into thinking she's Ms Sweetie Pie neighbor deluxe, "These people are children. Children like stories."

These (albeit slightly out of context) excerpts from Steve Miller Band's "Jungle Love" come to mind in a Rumi-esque way:

"...
The question to everyone's answer
Is usually asked from within
But the patterns of the rain and the truth they contain
Have written my life on your skin

...
You live in a world of illusion
Where everything's peaches and cream
We all face a scarlet conclusion
But we spend our time in a dream"

For media, it's like in school when the teacher split the class into study groups and spent the rest of the period not paying attention to us while we did the work on our own for said teacher. The end result is still a game of Checkers with less elbow grease required from our dutiful disseminators. Cogs work best when they find their own notch on their own.

That's true. But there never was a time when there were no Jews in Israel. If I remember correctly the first 2 state negotiation happened before the resettlement of the Jews back in Israel. But I could be wrong. I do know that they tried 6 times and one time the Jews offered so much land it would have put them in an indefensible position.

Each time they sat down at the table the Muslims walked out. Because to the Muslim population in Israel the only solution is Hitler's final solution. They demand the total annihilation of ever Jew on the planet.

That is why this time the Jews should not capitulate and give every single Muslim, who wants Jewish extermination, a one way ticket to another country or to meet Allah.

Before the two state soultion exsisted it was called the palestinian mandate which the british controled. However IMO I think that both nations need to work something out peacefully, because if Israel takes all of palestine then other Arab nations will step in against Israel.

That would be ideal but on side has a mandate from Allah to kill Jews. You cannot reason with people who are of that mindset.

To a certain extent Israel created a two state solution without the consent of the Arabic people occupying the land. They just gave them Gaza, clear and free, and moved all the Jews out. And as you can see that wasn't good enough. Hamas just Gaza to launch their attack.

Well extremists will be extremists

I give you the Democrats

What “both nations”?