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Who was using who? | WHY WOULD TRUMP TRY TO RESURRECT A FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT THAT A JUDGE THREW OUT AND FINED HIM $900,000 FOR FILING? KREMLIN WATCHERS REPORT THAT PUTIN'S HELP TO GET HIM ELECTED WAS TO WEAKEN NATO IN ANTICIPATION OF INVADING UKRAINE. QUID, MEET PRO QUO. | image tagged in politics | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
250 views 2 upvotes Made by LarryCaird 3 years ago in politics
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Still on this Putin helped Trump win bullshit even though no shred of evidence has ever been produced? I thought you didn't believe in the Trump Russian collusion, yet here you are trying to peddle it again. Classic Larry Canard.
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The Select Committee on Intelligence of the United States Senate, after three years of investigations issued a report titled "Russian Active Measures Campaigns and Interference in the 2016 U.S. Election." They concluded that Putin did exactly what you say there isn't a shred of evidence of. Putin used a team of social network experts in St. Petersburg, Russia known as "The Internet Research Agency," to create and transmit thousands of dis-informative posts to influence the outcome of the 2016 election. While it was a Bi-Partisan Committee and investigation, the Senate was run by Republicans back then. My meme and responses did not bring up the "Trump Russian Collusion" you did. I did say that Russia interfered in the election. The Senate Report proved that. Trump did weaken NATO, even threatening to pull the US out. It was in all the newspapers. Also widely reported in the news was the Russian Invasion of Ukraine. Some people see a relationship between these activities.
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How did Trump weaken NATO? By demanding the countries in the treaty live up to their military spending obligations? And why did Putin wait a full year after Biden took office to invade instead of doing it during Trump's term? Trump was such an "ally" it would have been perfect timing, since NATO was "weakened" so much under Trump.

Trump threatening to leave NATO is what's called "applying leverage". He wanted the European nations that were ducking their financial commitments to actually pony up. Since NATO can't exist without the USA, it puts member states relying on US money, aka taxpayer money, in a bind if the US leaves.

Finally, the baltic nations, the ones sharing a border with Russia and most at risk for an invasion actually disagree with your assessment. This from Newsweek, hardly a right wing outlet.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-nato-baltic-allies-stronger-1639290
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Also, Trump's actions in office were hardly in line with being a great ally, stooge, buddy, friend, etc of Putin. Over 200 mercenaries of the Wagner group were killed under Trump's watch, and Trump later bragged about the US Military's performance. Trump's energy policies spurred domestic oil and gas production, leading to lower oil and gas prices, which hurts Russia's economy, which as you've noted before, is over 50% oil and gas sales. Trump also STRONGLY urged Germany to stop buying natural gas from Russia, not a good move from a supposed "Ally".

I get tired of you constantly trying to connect Trump to Putin when there is no connection. You know it to be true because you insist on never using the word "collusion". Collusion requires communication and coordination of which there is NO evidence. That doesn't stop you from misrepresenting facts and using innuendo to allude to it.
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"From when Trump entered office in 2017 to 2019, he had at least 16 private conversations with Putin. While these meetings alone are controversial, it's how he tried to shield the public from knowing what was discussed that's even more concerning. According to a 2019 Washington Post report, Trump went as far as to seize notes from his own interpreter after a 2017 meeting with Putin.

One thing is certain: It appeared that the U.S. was propping up Russia, and that in and of itself was a threat to U.S. interests overseas, because Trump was seen as cozying up to a dangerous dictator."

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POLITICS & POLICY
March 1, 2022
Ashley Pratte Oates--Republican Women for Progress, Board Member and Director of Communications
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The Biden Administration has had access to the transcripts of those conversation for over 2 1/2 years now. If there had been anything damning in them, it would have been released by now. How was the US propping up Russia? What was the US doing that propped Russia up?
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"The president wrongly claimed that other NATO member countries’ spending on defense was “heading down” three years ago. That spending went up in 2015 and 2016. And he claimed countries that spent a low percentage of their GDP on defense were “delinquent.” They don’t owe NATO, or other countries, any money."--FactCheck.org 12/3/19

"While the 2016 election seems ages ago, people in the U.S. shouldn’t forget Russia's influence and interference in that election and their consequences on the future of our diplomacy. The election of Trump played into Putin's overall strategy. He knew that a Trump presidency would be crucial to moving his own despotic agenda forward if Trump was successful in weakening NATO — the alliance that has for so long deterred Russian aggression.

And how would Putin know that? Well, on the 2016 campaign trail, Trump expressed interest in withdrawing from NATO, previewing what his administration would be like if he was elected.

Think
POLITICS & POLICY
March 1, 2022
Ashley Pratte Oates--Republican Women for Progress, Board Member and Director of Communications
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How did Trump weaken NATO? You keep making that assertion but never say how. I found a nice .pdf that shows that defense spending of NATO countries increased while Trump was President, and decreased after Biden became President. Chart is on page 2.

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2022/6/pdf/220627-def-exp-2022-en.pdf

Your idea that Putin had to wait for NATO to "weaken" before doing his invasion is absurd anyway. Putin invaded Georgia during that last year of Bush's presidency and he took over Crimea during Obama's terms. The only time in that last 20 years that Putin hasn't invaded or annexed part of another country was when Trump was President.
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Talk about Quid Pro Joe... OOPS
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SPOO
1 up, 3y
LOL... keep ignoring the facts... the Bidens are dirty... their offshore bank accounts proved it...
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That is simply not what Tapper referred to. Just reviewing the text in that story, Trump says that Hunter Biden made a "fortune," in "Ukraine, in China, in Moscow." Biden responded, "That is simply not true." Then the story focuses on just the 2017 and 2018 income of Hunter Biden, years before Joe Biden was President. Since that time Hunter Biden has admitted in court to making about $2.5 million in 2017 and 2018. Some of that money was reportedly from Chinese companies, some from Ukranian sources but none of it is reported to have come from Moscow. During the panel discussion Tapper does say that it appeared that Trump was right about Hunter making money and that Joe Biden appeared to be wrong. But, Tapper says that Hunter Biden may not have told his dad about this money. That happened when Hunter Biden was a drug addict, which he also did not tell his Dad about. I am not surprised that an addict like Hunter Biden made money in questionable dealings and did not tell his Dad about it. Drugs killed my Sister and my parents were completely in the dark about her addiction. Since Hunter Biden has admitted to making this money, paid his taxes, and also admitted in legal filings to being an addict, this whole thing boils down to Tapper appearing to being uncareful about his phrasing.
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There's so much spin in that comment, if I hooked a dynamo to it I could power New York City.
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American Indians came over from Siberia, Russia. So you still want to call it Stolen land or hand over the US to Putin?
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