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Libs now support warmongering... go figure

Libs will support whatever they are told to support. It doesn't have to make sense. It doesn't have to be consistent. They will come up with crazy justifications, but their obedience will never falter. Mind control is a terrible thing to watch.

Zelensky the embezzler could surrender today and the fighting would stop. AMERICA could quit flushing money down the drain and Europe would be the same next week as it is today.

Why should Zelensky surrender?

Because the hired help say so,,,

The fighting wouldn't stop. It's their home. That's the point. Russia are the side who are not home. They're the ones who have the power to make peace by leaving.

You can't apply simple wrong/right, moralistic, binary thinking to the war in Ukraine. Putin doesn't share your moral values. Sorry, he won't play by your rules. You need to forget everything they taught you in college. It was all complete horse shit. There is no such thing as fair. It's a social construct.

No, you actually can! that's the thing! Russia is simply in the wrong, no nuance. They can end the war at any time just by going home. Putin has the power to issue that order. The fact that he won't makes him the unilateral warmonger.

If I am crossing a street and a car runs a red light and kills me, how is being in the right useful? You can call the driver "reckless," "careless" or anything you like, but I'm still dead.

Well, arresting the driver for vehicular manslaughter and sending him to prison for a long time can, quite helpfully, prevent that driver from killing anyone else as well as you. It also, very helpfully, sends the message to other drivers, and people who are seeking a license to drive, that the red lights aren't there for decoration - they're a f**king instruction to stop and obedience is required.

Where were you going with that one? Did you think that through?

So if I'm dead, it's OK because I was in the right, and if WWIII wipes out life on Earth, it's OK because Putin was in the wrong for invading Ukraine. OK. Good to know. Thanks for clearing that up.

This ain't World War 3, you drama queen! There are exactly two nations in this conflict!

Only two nations? Maybe you should take another count. Most of Europe is involved already. Remember how WWI and WWII started? Obviously not.

Yes! Both wars started by an explicit multilateral declaration of war between multiple nations around the world overnight! Neither one started as a slow escalation of a single theatre with a proxy presence!!!!

Who taught you history and can you get your money back?

Austria, Czechoslovakia, Hitler thought he could get away with Poland, but he miscalculated. Was clearly not overnight. Manchuria, China for Japan was also not overnight.

I couldn't resist.

No, your analogy posits that Putin might as well be allowed to continue on his route because he done killed thousands already anyways and there's no bringing them back by calling him a "meanypants"

So we should keep fueling a war no one can win and hope for the best. If a million Russians and a million Ukrainians have to die, so be it. All we can do is hope it won't go nuclear, but if it does, it just couldn't be helped. Is that your argument?

"CraigThompson

Do you think it's OK to play nuclear roulette? Do you think peace is not possible? Is peace not in the US's best interest? Is the US just too weak? Maybe you just like war. Do you think it's fun to see people die?"

Do you think I like copypasting what I had posted over and over just so you pretend you can retrofit it into your bogus argument?
Sorry, pal, that's your script to read, not mine.

PS: anti already addressed your questions, as did I about extirpating Russian invaders.

Young men must die because old men are stupid. Copypast that over and over again.

naah, I don't have to because I don't have a check in rubles to earn.

Lemme check.

Ah, found it!
I said just minutes ago in the reply you just responded to:

"Modda <1h, 1 reply

No, your analogy posits that Putin might as well be allowed to continue on his route because he done killed thousands already anyways and there's no bringing them back by calling him a "meanypants"

Not my argument,
YOURS.

Do you think it's OK to play nuclear roulette? Do you think peace is not possible? Is peace not in the US's best interest? Is the US just too weak? Maybe you just like war. Do you think it's fun to see people die?

Correct, he doesn't. Otherwise he wouldn't be the murderous invading leaky postule he (as always) is in this little shindig. Invaders and sickos have that curious tendency. Weird, innit?

Looks like the killing will continue for the foreseeable future. Neither Ukraine nor Russia can win. Young men die while old men come up with new ways to kill them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH2mmqhTpi8

Putin can send his troops home today. Peace would come overnight.

Please expand on your brilliant plan.

Putin issues a decree that says "go home. Just, go home." Russian troops are then handed their orders by the usual military communication channels. They utilise military and civilian transportation go relocate from the place that is not their home to the place that is their home. Since they will be home, they will not be firing weapons. Therefore peace.

Has anyone told Putin about your brilliant plan?

Several people have! Turns out, he's literally the one who's not interested in peace. Just him.

By the way, you need to dig in and study a bit more Russian history/culture. Putin is not the only one. Nationalism is a big deal in many Russian circles. Some are more hardcore than Putin.

Yes, but they might be a bit more tethered to reality, a reality not as overly displaced by the enlarged abscess that's his frail ego in that glass of so-what-are-your-plans-for-tomorrow.

Then again, they might not be and they could continue of the same trajectory which will land them on the same plane which ultimately ends in their own end as well.
This isn't exactly a situation where the invaded will finally just shrug their sholders and learn to deal. It never is.
It, as always, is doomed to failure as even a successful invasion campaign has to then maintain a hold on that which they sought to take. For a nation with blow up tires on rusty tanks dependent on gulag grads for their fighting, that expnditure might prove a tad bit higher than whatever it is they think they're going to gain.

OK. And yet the decision to send the Russian troops home rests with him and him alone.

So what is your brilliant plan B?

Well, plan B is to defeat the invaders who won't go home on the battlefield 🤷‍♀️ and that plan doesn't need Putin's agreement, it's coming together quite nicely without him.

What does "defeat the invaders" look like? if 100,000 more men die and Ukraine's infrastructure is completely destroyed, is that OK? What if Putin is losing and gets desperate and sets off a nuke or two? What if a hardliner kicks Putin to the curb and starts a world war?

Putin's deadlines for when he'll start using nuclear weapons in Ukraine have come and gone three times.

The fact is, every single one of his generals have told him: this WILL NOT be a nuclear war.

It's an empty threat. It means nothing. It shows only how terrible his imagination is when it comes to scaring the west. Frankly, with all due respect, it shows how terrible YOUR imagination is at trying to scare me.

I do think that Ukrainian lives and infrastructure are a terrible thing to waste in a war that was not their fault - which is why, as I said from the start, Putin should really be ordering his troops to go home so that peace can be restored, instead of pressing the Ukrainians to defend their own homes! That is THE best way to save lives at this point. Because the Ukrainian troops CAN'T go home until the Russians do, that's the entire problem in the first place.

He admitted he's Russian!
And he can't claim typo as he did it twice in one comment!

"But why vacuum the house if it will still get visibly dusty by next week?"
said no one ever

Why would anybody not want peace? Why would anyone support endless wars? Are we damned to repeat history over and over again? Young men are dying because old men are stupid.

Then tell Putin to order his troops home. The war will end overnight. It is THAT easy.

Does Putin act morally? No. Does death act morally? No. So why do you keep trying to apply your morality? It makes no sense. That is the point I'm trying to make. We live in an immoral world. Your ideas of morality do not apply. Might makes right. Putin must be forced to the peace table with a stick and a carrot.

You said the quiet part out loud.

You think that might SHOULD make right. You think countries SHOULD be allowed to invade each other. You think that's a good thing.

Which is why it was complete and total nonsense for you to ask in the OP when someone is going to talk seriously about peace. YOU DON'T WANT PEACE. You don't BELIEVE in peace. You believe in perpetual colonial wars of expansion. THAT'S what you're really talking about.

Putin doesn't get a carrot. He doesn't get ANYTHING. He believed that might makes right - except that he forgot to put the might together. Now he's losing. So even by your own philosophy, he wasn't right.

And it's his fault. And if he doesn't want what is about to happen to him, he should end the war immediately - no carrot, no reward, no gift, he's not getting the 4 Oblast annexations, just a simple choice: does he want to end the war now by choice, or be forced to end the war by losing the soldiers and the money and the loyalty that is keeping him from being overthrown.

BUT IT'S NOT THEIRS! THEY DON'T LIVE THERE! Your logic is based on simple, ridiculous morality! example: I don't think anyone should have to grow old and die. Shouldn't we take a vote on that? Growing old should be illegal.

Impressively, you've managed to be the only person I've ever met who has demonstrated that they don't know what morality means.

Your ideas are so simplistic and unrealistic that I don't even know where to start. You base everything on your values. Putin and most of the rest of the world do not share your values. You stand on your moral high ground like Moses receiving the Ten Commandments on Mount Sini. Good and evil are subjective, human concepts, not objective facts.

No. I base everything on the invaders from an outside country being the ones who have the capacity to go home wherever they decide to, and the ones who are already home as the ones who were minding their own f**king business the entire time. That not a value, that's how war works.

Correct, and the only ones who 'think' what Putin is doing is alright are paid by him to post it on social media.

"How war works?" No. That is not how war works. Russians believe Ukraine is theirs. Why are NATO and the US interfering in our internal affairs? Why don't the US and NATO go home? They are threatening our sovereignty and security. They should go home so peace can be restored.

BUT IT'S NOT THEIRS! THEY DON'T LIVE THERE!

If the US and NATO leave, Ukrainian homes are still occupied by Russian forces. The war continues.

If Russia leaves, Ukrainian homes are lived in by the Ukrainians who own those homes. The fighting stops. Peace. You see how that works?

It looks like extirpating the Russian invaders. Completely.

No, it's a secret.
And please don't tell him, this is just a "In case of fire, break glass" last resort plan. It's being saved for emergency. Like if he runs out of men and starts drafting little old Borsht cooking babooskas.