Strange how one of the most important parts of the day just isn't talked about.

Well . . . to be fair it would interrupt their stolen valor attempts. This is one of the reasons why they ceased teaching real history inside all the public educational systems that they now control. The average student is utterly unaware of what really happened . . . or why.

All they KNOW is what Cultural Marxist historical revision leftist teachers TELL them while whoring for the political interests and ideology of the Dem Party. Pretty neat, eh?

That's cute.

Explain to me in simple terms how the GOP were conservatives back then and not the filthy liberals you hate so much.

I've got all day.

The conservative/liberal dynamic got flipped at some point between then and now. That's what is meat by classic liberal as in the modern conservative who identifies as the old style liberal who believed in freedom and equality instead of the liberal of today who race hustles, divides, censors, and cancel.

Conservative: (in a political context)
Modern: favoring free enterprise (Failing Free Market), private ownership (Small Business), and socially traditional ideas (two genders, anti lgbtq, anti immigration).
Classic: (in a political context) favoring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially traditional ideas. - Yeah slavery falls into all of those categories.

Liberal 1. willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas (tolerance, but not a tolerance of intolerance.)
2. relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights (abolition, LGBTQ+), civil liberties (individual rights to personal happiness), democracy, and free enterprise.

We are not the same. If you need a more thoughtful analysis of then-and now conservatives of GOP today and GOP then, versus Democrats then and now, I can write you one. But let me assure you, the GOP of today is the Democrats of yesterday as the conservative ideology changed party.

So your telling me that John Brown and the other abolitionists were considered to be conservative in their day? Now who is trying to re-write history?

What part of 'dynamic got flipped at some point between then and now' did you not understand?

you are just making this up... Liberal always meant progressive and change while conservative always meant to conserve the ways of the past.... There has not been a dynamic flip... conservatives of their day wanted to conserve slavery while progressives wanted to abolish slavery....

The conservatives back then tried to keep slavery and racism going. . .and today's liberals idea of 'progress' is to keep people chained mentally while ignoring things like sex slavery which is a problem because of illegal immigration and is thoroughly ignored by leftists in the press.

There are several types of "liberal," and not all liberals are the same. Most "conservatives" today (which, by the way, is not an antonym to "liberal," as the root word "lib-" is emblematic of liberty, something conservatives believe in) would be a classical liberal (like the Founders and Lincoln were) while you are thinking of a neoliberal (kumbaya transgenderism and such). Most conservatives, myself included, are classical liberals. Not neoliberals, or what you are, a liberal leftist.

No, that's inaccurate. You see, the trait that you define as "Neoliberals." (which is ironically coined by conservatives to co-opt the term for themselves and label themselves as the proverbial social "Good guys") that "neoliberals" cling to that is present within "Classic liberal" is the individual freedom and self-identity. You've conveniently cut that part out. However, there are many more traits which you hold that make you more conservative than liberal. The problem is, you're still functioning on a binary mode of thought and that's your greatest strength and weakness. Liberals understand that there's a scale and not everyone fits into a box, much as you might like to think so. Liberals hold more liberal values than Conservatives.. *ahem* "Classic Liberals" do.

So now, we're fighting over who's more liberal?

What a time to be alive.

Okay then.

Okay, what traits are those exactly. And before you go lecturing, a classical liberal is someone like the Founders, and I would say I'm like the Founders (ideologically, of course not in level of influence or bravery or anything like that). Again, "liberal" and "conservative" aren't necessarily opposites.

What exactly is wrong with a "binary mode of thought"? And what exactly are you referring to?

ClassicAL liberals. Think Paine, Jefferson, Washington, Adams, Henry.

No, over what KIND of liberal, because, as I've already explained, some liberals can be "conservatives" and some are "progressives." (THOSE are the two antonyms).

Yes, back then the GOP you're familiar with was populated by Liberals. Back then, the Democrats were populated by conservatives.

Class dismissed!

So explain to me how not wanting to tear down statues negates or falsifies any of the previous points by the guy in red?

I'll wait.

Why do you want monuments honoring those horrible slave-owning democrats?

Oh, no. I'm asking how it DISPROVES any of what he said.

You're evading the question.

Because party affiliation and ideological affiliation are not the same thing. Go ask any hick waving a confederate flag outside their window today who they voted for, 99% of the time they'll say they voted Republican.

No, again, I'm asking you, how does what he is saying DISPROVE any of the previous statements, not make him seem like a hypocrite.

Again, you're evading the question.

I'm not evading the question, the question itself is irrelevant because the Republican Party that freed the slaves almost two centuries ago is not the same Republican Party that worked with the CIA to move crack into black neighborhoods under Reagan. Stop wasting my time.

Ah, so that's your answer. The Party Switch myth.

No, you stop wasting MY time.

And while we're on the topic, some statues SHOULD come down. The Confederates (their leaders in particular) were traitors, after all. But some should not. Especially ones to units in general or ones on private property.

I don't necessarily blame the common soldier, who was just going along to get along, or those who were almost brainwashed into thinking Republicans were just "out for blood." But statues of people like Jefferson Davis and Alexander Stevens,need to come out of places like the Capitol Rotunda.