trust me bro it will work this time i promise we’ll achieve true communism

>be extremely intelligent capitalist
>say that humans are inherently greedy and will fuсk everyone over for personal gain
>say that best way to organize the economy is to give all tools to people who are the most greedy and will fuсk over others for personal gain the most

Dude trust me, capitalism will work this time. Countries like Burundi, Somalia, Mozambique, the Central African Republic, Madagascar, Sierra Leone, Niger, Malawi, Haiti, Iraq, and like at least a dozen other Central/South American, African, Middle Eastern, and (now capitalist) Eastern European countries that have been deliberately fuсked over by imperial powers for the sake of the growth of capital just haven’t committed to capitalism enough. Bro it’ll work this time, just trust the process. Just trust the process. Just trust the process.

Eastern European countries are far from fricked, they’ve improved massively since the USSR’s fall. And even if all that were true, the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and Western European nations have developed into thriving democracies. Communism has never been able to achieve such results.
Also you never addressed the point of the meme. Communism fails to address man’s greediness, it merely gives the state immense power to act in greed rather than private individuals.

Wow! You’re right! The introduction of capitalism for Eastern Europeans have been so successful that they’re now desperately trying to find somewhere else to go to because their living situation improved so much!

Of course living standards in countries that never had communism will be better than those that’s are still recovering.
If capitalism screwed over Eastern Europe so much, why haven’t they voted any socialist parties into power? (even in countries that ban communist parties there are still socialist ones)
How come Western Europe is doing so well? Surely if capitalism is bad for Eastern Europe it would be bad for Western Europe too?

Ok, which is it then? Did the quality of life in Eastern Europe improved massively after the introduction of capitalism or did they still not recover from gommunism?

Also, I’d like to make a small correction: Living standards in countries that received insane amounts of funding from the Marshall Plan will be better than those that didn’t. Especially if they’ve been bombed to dust.

Also, you deny genocide and simp for totalitarianism, adoring such men as Mao Zedong and Joseph Stalin, cheering on their massacres, and yet I’M the brainwashed one for trusting in democracy instead. Yeah. Sure.

People like you are the reason why “totalitarianism” has basically become a buzzword

If Stalin and Mao are not totalitarian then totalitarianism has no meaning.

On what grounds?

I mean if you give some one a job in America (and their lazy) they will beg the government for money and complain, but if you give a hard worker a job he will rise the ranks and benefit. Money and wealth goes to the hardest smartest worker. If you can work in America wealth and happiness will go to you

TIL Jeff Bezos works 162500 times harder than the average Amazon warehouse employee

Money and wealth usually go to the well connected. That's why nearly all millionaires were born millionaires, and the poor have a hader time getting out of poverty than those not poor it to begin with.

Good gosh, anyone actually think that a blithering idiot like Trump just only coincidentally was born rich, and that Hunter Biden simply put the crack pipe down just in time to land a terrfic job with his otherwise impressive resume?
How many inventors got Edisoned out of not just the profits, but the credit as well? How many geniuses died in the gutter?

For every Lennon & McCartney there was a Harrison.

Exactly. Capitalism rewards those who work the most or work the best. Communism fails to provide an incentive for worker productivity and this inevitably leads to disaster.

^^^^^^^

Same goes for greed (in the meme)

Ironically also why Communism can't work in the long tem or large scale if implemented as intended.
By eliminating or at least reducing greed and thus competition, the incentive to do better and get ahead are thusly rendered purposeless, ending up with uninspired workers which translates into a lackadaisical broader workforce and thus an economy doomed towards stagnation and inefficiency and ultimately failure.

>”By eliminating or at least reducing greed and thus competition”

Jonas Salk would like to speak with you.

In regards to...?

In regards to how you think greed correlates with innovation

You're going to have to explain a little further.
Salk didn't exactly come up with the vaccine by shrugging his shoulders and turning over in bed.

And no, I do not "think" that.
As per ye olde cliche, necessity being the mother of invention n all... it is the need to get ahead and improve the means to do so that sires inventiveness. That's why the automobile was never invented by the sponge.

Same with the USA. The old stratified system installed by England was gone. Greed was not only good, it was needed to make up for the slack in supplies that used to come from England.

Meanwhile, over in the behemoth that is Russia, ossification was so ingrained, you gotta wonder if it's genetic. If it wasn't for the Cold War or the threat of the next Napolean or Hitler storming their gates, they would have been content to be the perpetually lumbering peasants toiling for a head of cabbage to boil for the week with a turnip tossed in for flavor during the holidays like they've always been. If Russia had managed to conquer the whole of Eurasia, the whole continent would still be frozen in the 18th Century. Sheesh, if it wasn't for Catherine the Great, they'd still be living like the Fall of Rome happened just the year before.

That's why Communism failed so easily and early in the USSR. They so lacked initiative, it was easy to hijack by the few who had a smidgen of greed. Usually when an empire expands, it absorbs ideas from those it has conquered and utilizes and builds upon them, creates. It happened in Mesopotamia, Egypt, Indus Valley, China, Iran, Rome, Mali, the Incas, Aztecs... But with Russia, all it ever did was turn everything it touched into sludge. It made the territories at its fringes go backwards. pffffft, if it wasn't for sympathetic Marxists in America, they'd still be going by candlelight today.

Rule by consensus doesn't mean crap if people won't get off their asses and open their mouths. Russians like being protrasting plebs. It is in their nature. Communism suitied them because they couldn't elevate themselves. It failed there for that reason as well.
It can only work by stifling differences and instilling uniformity. That, however, only generates stagnation.

Not saying greed doesn't have it's faults, but sadly the only alternative is sloth.

First of all, you anti-communists can’t both say that people in the USSR were forced to work by the government and that they were a bunch of lazy people that never got off their ass. You have to pick one.

Second of all, if it’s true that greed is what keeps the world running, then why has almost all our innovations that make the modern world the modern world come from state-directed innovation? Microprocessors, memory chips, liquid crystal displays, lithium batteries, touchscreens, the internet… hell, even just basic shit like the paved road you drive your car on and the filtered water you receive from the sink, just to name a few.

Third of all, going back to the USSR part, it’s bold of you to say that the country that literally launched the first satellite into space didn’t last because “not enough innovation”.

Were you, nay, were your folks even born yet by the time the USSR ended?

Much of rocket science came from former Nazis. No V-2s, no rockets into space.
Yay, then the USSR sent a puppy into orbit! woof woof!

Sheesh, they still depend on us to get a ride out there.

Oh wow, color me impressed, all those inventions were from (so-called) Communist contries? Viva la revolucionovskanov, babies!

- oh, wait.

hahaha, 70% of the wheat the USSR ate came from the USA, AT A DISCOUNT!
Maybe if they worked a few million more peasants in Gulag to death, they could have fed themselves. Or need less to do so courtesy of the population reduction!

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