do some research before spouting off nonsense why don’t we

yeah, you get it. I mean, they’re targeting a minority. How f**ked up is that?

So,.less than 1% of the world needs to tell me how to live?

How the f**k are they telling you how to live?

“Hey y’all jsyk we want equal rights and gender affirming care” is apparently life changing and telling you how to live?

We do not “affirm” that your “gender” is different than what your chromosomes tell us you are.
Two sexes…. Male or Female.
All the rest of your mixed up made up “genders” are just so much bullshit.

And to add- anything extra in the chromosomes is a defect. We should be looking for ways to fix the damage, not normalizing it.

you’re right two sexes

money is also bullshit by your logic

Transgender is not normal. But live your life the way you want to, idc. But stop brainwashing children.

It IS normal. Every society and every culture has documented the existence of transgender people, regardless of whether or not they were tolerated. It is normal to have transgender people in your society.

The f**k do you mean brainwash children?

Transgender people just want to exist in peace.

when your rights are taken away I bet you’d resort to violence too

Cutting off body parts does nothing for your mental health. I don't have to ask an expert to come to that conclusion.

“it does nothing for your mental health! wait, there’s a ton of evidence by the AMA and Harvard?! Well I ain’t reading allat!!!”

well dude, the earth is flat. i don’t have to ask an expert to come to that conclusion.

Don’t worry, you don’t have to pay for them.

Yeah,. stephen colbert clears everything up....

The Obama administration came to similar conclusions. In 2016, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services revisited the question of whether sex reassignment surgery would have to be covered by Medicare plans. Despite receiving a request that its coverage be mandated, it refused, on the ground that we lack evidence that it benefits patients.

I mean the World Health Organization sees gender as a social construct and it can change over time

WHO is a political organization.
Yes, “gender” IS a social construct! It isn’t SCIENCE. It’s well-meaning adults coddling their indoctrinated children because they want to be their “friends” instead of being what they’re supposed to be, PARENTS.

he would hate modern christianity

Still doesn’t change anything

eh, you’re kinda ignoring evidence that’s stacked against you, all my trans friends agree it works, and you just get mad when evidence doesn’t match your world view

you’re like a flat earther

Ironic… YOU telling ME that I am mad when the EVIDENCE (SCIENCE) doesn’t match MY world view.
Folks, here’s actual proof that these people ALL project what THEY themselves are guilty of doing. It never fails.
The evidence is on my side, snowflake.

alright then, explain to me your science which is oh so right and correct and so valid against my sources whcih are the AMA and Harvard

No.
This is a two person circle-jerk and my arm is getting tired.

no, you just don’t have any sources.

So,.you are a powerful demon.

I will be adding that to my job resume

Christ doesn't change. Find another argument.

I did

ohhhh, they indoctrinate children?

hey, like religion!

WHO indoctrinates children with religion?
The only religion WHO indoctrinates with is the Trans religion.
Now, if the PARENTS of the child takes THEIR children to church or synagogue, it’s THEIR prerogative.
Schools don’t have the right to mandate gender bullshit.

dude no, i’m talking about how your “indoctrinating” is applied to every religion

being trans isn’t a religion, nobody wants to be trans. all the trans people i know hate dysphoria and wants to be the gender they’re born in. it’s not a choice to be trans.

I don’t practice religion.
I try really hard to practice my Faith.
But, I am a lousy Christian. I fail at being “Christ like”…But, even though I’m not the “best” Christian, I am forgiven.

ok good for you i’m glad that you’re finding something to believe in, but doesn’t jesus literally put empathy over religion? he also hates religious hypocrisy. hmmm, seems familiar.

Why would Jesus support the destruction of what His Father,God, created?

in favor of empathy and kindness he would

Nope

more like communism.

and religion

the who is pandering on behalf of pharmaceutical industry

mhm yeah you can say that about pretty much anything

as i have referencing this topic

Alright then

So Harvard also says it’s beneficial to have gender affirming care for trans people

Who the f**k is “Harvard” to tell us anything?

send me a link to the real science

ohhhhh, so you don’t have real science to back it up.

have you tried talking to a sociologist? they’ll provide you with your answer.

what a great link

Probably owed slaves, but nobody knows american history anymore...

idk, maybe they have a lot of medical studies and is considered the best college in america?

just sayin

They may have been years ago.

Just sayin, indeed!

so are you just gonna disregard every study by making up excuses

No.
Facts are facts , and the real SCIENCE disagrees with your woke agenda and gender bullshit

this is probably part of your problem

just sayin, when acidemia follows what the government wants, we are all probably f**ked.

bro what 💀

oh, harvard, why didn't you say that in the first place. that makes it all true. beg pardon for the sarcasm.

maybe ask people that tried making the switch and ask how it worked out for them. you may find they didn't get the outcome they believed they would. should give you more insight than us continuing this "4 out 5 dentists who chew gum" type of debate.

Oh welp, checked out at Harvard, at least I gave them some respect. 😆

Oh alright, let’s take a look at my trans friends

Yep, they’re good!

Also gender affirming surgery is the least regretted surgery out of all of them. Hmm, interesting.

ah, an empirical study...tell us about your "trans" friends and their experiences

Let’s talk about that after you actually read some studies because clearly you’ll just deny everything as you have just done

Oh, like the gender affirming surgery being the least regretted surgery. Read some stuff about that.

no studies necessary. you have pre and post operative "trans" friends. better to get this information directly from the source.

You are delusional.

eh, not really. i’ll take whatever evidence you give me and see if it’s outdated or if the source is obviously biased, like fox news

so only people who agree with you are not delusional?

that’s such a delusional thing to say

No, not at all.

try to have an open mind for once

They probably don’t have one in the first place

i’m assuming you don’t, since clearly you piss yourself whenever something doesn’t go your way

Sez the one pissing him/herself because I don’t agree with you.
Ironic, right?

then i assume harvard and the AMA is also delusional

Yes
Yes they are!

yes it is, you refuse to see outside your own little bubble and you try to work your way out of everything by calling other people delusional

didn’t they do this in the 1800s?

I don’t know.
I wasn’t around back then

then stop acting like it

pfffffffttttttttt

they did do that in the 1800s, persecuted anyone who disagreed with them

Well, we’re not living in the 1800’s.

And somehow Biology overrides WHO. Just look what England is finally doing. Who would have ever thought the British would be right of America?

Even France has said your full of shit....

do you just think a source of information is bullshit when you don’t agree with them? they did that in the 1700-1800. dude, I hate to inform you, but you’re a pilgrim.

how do you automatically assume the british are doing the right thing when all evidence points the other way? if you can find a reliable study, I will look at it.

https://digitalcommons.winthrop.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1019&context=sewsa

Oh sorry wrong answer hang on

It reduces suicide rates by 73%

Horse shit

It does. The medical community has known this for over a hundred years.

None
Sense

When you let people be themselves without pressuring them into fitting in to a society that has always bullied them, they stop killing themselves. That makes a LOT of sense. And medical research confirmed that over a hundred years ago.

why doesn't the "trans" cabal and community let people be themselves without pressuring them into fitting in. why bully people that dont agree with you? why indoctrinate and groom children?
let them become themselves without this influence.

We're TRYING to let them become themselves. That's what you're obstructing by making all this stuff up about them.

no, you are not letting them be. what i hear people wishing to obstruct is the grooming of children and men competing with women in women's athletics. if you went about your gender modification quietly i think nobody would take notice or care. besides, why do you feel the need to publicly broadcast your gender modification? isn't your intimate partner the only person you should worry about having this information?

You DO notice and care. You're doing it now.

you are not going about your affairs quietly.

and i ask you again -

why do you feel the need to publicly broadcast your gender modification?

isn't your immediate family and any intimate partner the only people you should worry about having this information?

No

Clearly this guy is fauchi or fbi.

it does not.

The American school of medicine says so

it does not

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/population-care/understanding-short-term-impact-gender-affirming-care

short term being the post operative word. now i must beg pardon for the pun.

you are altering the physical presentation which does nothing to resolve inner turmoil.

Ok…? Did you read the study?

Dude, the physical presentation is why they don’t like it. They wanted to be born in the body of their gender. Now they’re altering their body to fit into what they want more. It helps a ton and you just kinda ignored the thing I sent you

dude? did you just assume my gender? i didn't expect that from you. aren't you full of surprises.

it's not that i ignored, it's that i didn't read. am i correct to believe the reference supports your point of view?

i understand that it is the physical presentation they don't like. i also understand that, much like significant weight loss, you feel great for a while until you find it didn't provide the prolific life changing magic you thought it would and the internal conflicts return. it makes sense that dysphoria is followed by a period of euphoria.

Exactly

ok bye I will now go converse with my trans friends who are now happier after they’ve transitioned and finally feel like themselves

i mean it opens new perspectives, but i do some research and really think about it if it’s a big decision

i will however never like chocolate mint no matter how many people tell me it’s good

i look at the idea that a man can "transition" into a woman, and vice versa, the same way you look at chocolate mint.

i don't hate you for your beliefs or ideology. i am against the deployment of the mass marketing of the idea to children who are very easy to brainwash into believing anything (santa, easter bunny, etc.) quit indoctrinating them. let them come to their own conclusions regarding their sexuality and lifestyle choices.

in short, don't be a creepy uncle bob.

the thing is, trans people are not sexualizing children.

in fact, a lot of trans people first start feeling trans at the ages of 5 or 6, and they haven’t even heard of trans people existing yet.

plus, science literally support trans people, it’s just that you refuse to accept it

didn't we learn anything about trusting the science the last few years?

children are being sexualized, if not directly then on behalf of the "movement" by other actors (transvestite story hour, i mean, c'mon).

likewise, you refuse to accept that the "science" is sketchy at best pro and con. what i gather from proponents and opponents and the subject individuals is that there is a degree of psychiatric issues that are manifest from the onset. No other mental disorder is "cured" by body modification. Fat people aren't suddenly over "trauma" or bipolar disorder because they lost 200 lbs and are looking fine as frog hair. from the amount of suicide pre and post, i think my opinion is supported. you believe the rates are lower which supports your views.

I'm not going to change your mind, no amount of rhetoric would prove sufficient. If that worked we'd all be one religion, one political party, all wearing the same gray jumpsuit and calling each other comrade.

No one can change your mind but you, no one can change my mind but me.

thank you for the debate. best wishes for you and your future. i am sure we'll cross paths and exchange opinions again.

wdym who didn’t

i reckon my notifications are coming in out of order.

new stuff - do you have any appreciation for people telling you what you should do or believe?

ok done celebrating

so since gender is a social construct, it can change over time

i agreed money is artificial and a social construct.

let me ask you - if gender were a social construct how could you change genders?

dw, dude is a gender neutral term. hope this helps!

in 2022, a study showed that only 8% of trans people detransition, and 62% of the 8% only detransitioned due to outside factors.

what was the total number of "trans" persons according to your source study?

Social pressure, mostly

28000

what are the "outside factors" stated by the study you are sourcing?

they didn’t like the gender they were assigned at birth and changed it to fit their perception more

i'm a little lost, who didn't...the 28,000 or the 8% or the 62% or your friends or someone else ?

do you feel the same way for religions?

religions, political parties, government agencies, schools, media, film/music industry, any organization that is bent on sexualizing children and attempts to remove authority from the child's parents. realizing no one lives in a bubble, it seems as though young, impressionable minds are being targeted. if you don't want them bullied for who they are or may become, why should they be, in effect, bullied the other way. let them be and see.

No such thing as “gender”.
You as much as admitted that in earlier comment about it being a “social construct”.

money is also a social construct dude

on that you are correct! money is artificial and socially constructed. we found common ground ! take a moment to celebrate.

sexuality is socially constructed. gender is predetermined by the biologic content of the egg cell and the sperm cell that fertilizes it. XX = female XY = male . after that it becomes individual choice how one presents.

No. Sex is predetermined by the egg. Gender is what you describe in that very last sentence, the choices people make to present in society. Nobody has ever once scanned my DNA to determine my gender, not even once.

It does. The medical community has known this for over a hundred years.

No
It
Has
Not

sex and gender are synonymous. you can dazzle me with semantics and i will ask - what characteristics presented to society distinguishes male from female?

Well, that depends on the society!

You know how pink has been pushed as a feminine color? Well, five hundred years ago, pink was a masculine color. Red dye was expensive and it faded into pink when washed so pink clothes were reserved for people of status, and in societies were men were given status over women, that meant men were more likely to have pink clothes.

So it's a completely arbitrary choice that we all made together and we can change our minds at any time that children who like pink things may be presenting as feminine or masculine.

That is how flimsy your question really is. Everything that answers your question is an arbitrary choice that can change at any time.

from your last sentence it seems the answer is also flimsy. you haven't provided any distinguishing characteristics presented in society that differentiates man from woman.

furthermore, if there is nothing but ever changing arbitrary choices of what is masculine or feminine it is impossible, or at the very least, unnecessary to change ones gender.

btw - and i've never told this to anyone - i wore a pink shirt once. I didnt feel like a woman, more like a douche than anything...khaki dockers and all.

Yes I did, I wrote four paragraphs about it. Read it again.

all im gleaning is the evolution of pink shirts. i'm trying to find out what characteristics cause you to think that person is a man and that person is a woman

I answered that question already. I was very clear.

you did not. if you had and you were very clear i wouldn't keep asking the question - what characteristics cause YOU to think that person is a man and that person is a woman ?

antithesis - i must beg your pardon. i accidentally hit the flag button instead of reply. i am trying to remedy my error

Nobody cares. It happens all the time, if the mods see that there's nothing to flag they just ignore it. If it were in any way important, they wouldn't put the flag and reply buttons so close together.

untrue.
you are accepting current popular thought as science, much like people did with covid vaccines. t

Current popular thought is you guys saying that transgenderism shouldn't exist!!!

i am not saying "transgenderism" should not exist. i am saying it does not exist. the best you can do is alter your body chemically and/or surgically and present yourself as the opposite gender. you have not changed genders, you have put on a costume and appropriated the culture of your opposite gender. still no actual gender change. i think a lot of these individuals are looking for a source of righteous indignation more than acceptance.

Well, that's funny because the medical research has known for over 100 years that acceptance is the cure.

then why can't we accept cancer and it be cured?

acceptance is the cure for trans people, dude

No. Trans people aren't a disease. Acceptance is the cure for suicide.

maybe because cancer is a tumor…? are you f**king stupid

only because you haven't enlightened me on why you can't cure any physical ailment through acceptance

There is no such thing.

That's weird because there's millions of people round the world who say they ARE such thing.

It’s a social construct…haven’t you heard?

You don't seem to know what we mean by that.

I know EXACTLY what you people mean by that.