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Conservatives are brainwashed | I've noticed that all your criticisms of socialism describe conditions under capitalism. What makes capitalism freedom? Socialism is authoritarianism | image tagged in maga npc an an0nym0us template,socialism,propaganda,capitalism,communism,conservative logic | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Great Question.
One answer could be:
Individual Liberty and Freedom endowed by our Creator and acknowledged in writing within the US Constitutions' Bill of Rights one can imagine, pretty much makes Capitalism Freedom.

I'd go through it here, yet the first 10 Amendments are widely available.
A suggestion would be to Try starting with the property rights segments of Amendments 4 and 5.
Then understand, those property rights apply to legal property purchased for the 1st-3rd amendment, or the 6th-27th Amendments for that matter, for all law abiding and legal citizens, of course.

What makes your brand of Socialism, Cultural MARXISM???

ROTFL
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God isn't real, so the Constitution acknowledging that means nothing. How is capitalism freedom when the original inhabitants of this land were genocided by our forefathers, and had their land colonized and stolen from them? Is that freedom? What is free about having to sell your labor to a small population of rich property owners and still barely being able to make ends meet? What is free about being robbed with taxes but getting no universal healthcare, no guaranteed higher education or paid maternal/paternal leave?
My argument is that property rights are the foundation of tyranny, not freedom. Most Americans own no property anyway.

Your question doesn't make sense, I'm not a cultural Marxist.
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https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/marcuse/
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You may actually just be confused at who you should be aiming your disgust with capitalism at. You focus on schooling conservatives but you have to keep in mind that a very high percentage of true conservatives live off the land that they own and they are sustainable living and use bartering as a means of trade. The people causing capitalism to suck are the leftist and especially the one trying to push socialism.
Did land get stolen and did many people die on the way? Of course they did but it has happened throughout history to every race and gender, (only two genders BTW), and religious belief. Unless you can stop man from being ambitious which it's hard wired in our brains to compete, socialism is just a cop out from those less inclined and less capable of achieving anything of substance other than complaining about how unfair everything is.
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You don't have a clue about anything you're talking about.
Leftists aren't making capitalism worse. We're pushing for real wins for the working class through unions, legislation and direct action. Conservatives are standing in our way by continuing to vote for austerity and neoliberal politicians.

You don't just excuse a whole genocide like you're trying to do right now. What we did to the natives isn't acceptable and the modern day distribution of wealth and property is also unacceptable. It's a feudal-like system. Peter Kropotkin said competition is the law of the jungle, but cooperation is the law of civilization. It is true that we are innately competitive, but cooperation and mutual aid is the trait that determines the future and propagation of a species. It is a greater factor than competition, as Kropotkin demonstrates in his book, Mutual Aid. Anarchism is prepared for power vacuums and bad and greedy players by removing social hierarchies, privilege and power over others, and instead organizing horizontally.
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you watch cnn.

anyways your final point about anarchism is invalid because you just implied that cooperation is important, resulting in government.

additionally, socialism has never resulted in a strong economy.

bUt cHiNa- no, shut up, china is not socialist anymore, there are private companies operating all over the world, BASED IN CHINA.

the soviet union never succeded. why? because too much ran through the government, resulting in power accumulating to a select few.

socialism isn't going to fix anything, because power will still be too concentrated to the top.
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I don't watch CNN, actually. I have no clue where tf that came from.

Cooperation does not necessarily result in government.

Socialism made both China and Russia economic superpowers. China today is market socialist, though they have liberalized much of their economy.

The USSR literally did succeed and had booming industries such as coal and steel.

Don't you think that's the problem with capitalism? In bourgeois liberal democracy, what say really does the average voter have? It's impossible to get a progressive candidate in the White House. The only president we can have is one propped up by the wealthiest donors. Moreover, capitalists and their institutions have undermined democracy all over the world and make economic policy on our behalf. To refer again to my original meme, your criticisms of socialism describe capitalism.
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Explain to me how the USSR's economy "succeded" when much of the populous was poor and starving and shelves at grocery stores would often be quite empty, or how the USSR and USA had a very similar gross domestic product despite the fact that the Soviet Union had nearly 50 million more people?

Plus, how the hell is capitalism not freedom and socialism is by your almost explicit statement in your arguement?

If the government controls business and economies, and the people don't have the right to free enterprise, who is controlling the economy? The government. Are the majority of people involved in the government in any meaningful way? No.
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If the people have the right to free enterprise and companies, who controls the economy? The people. Are the majority of people the people? Yes.
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Inequality in the USSR was not as bad as elsewhere in the world. Not to say there weren't any issues, some civilians lived better lives because of blat, i.e. having political connections with party members or politicians. There was certainly a level of elite bureaucracy that developed in the USSR, almost immediately. But the situation was not as dire as you describe. People weren't constantly starving. The biggest issues with food and agriculture were immediately after the revolution — under War communism and food acquisition, again in the Holodomor under collectivization, and then in the late 1980s-early 1990s as the USSR collapsed and economic shock therapy was implemented to rapidly liberalize the economy.

Capitalism is not freedom because we live under a repressive police state where the police
and military uphold the status quo and protect bourgeois property through the employment of state violence. We are deprived of the necessaries of life unless we sell our labor to the capitalist class. They will go as far as to incarcerate large segments of the population in order to enjoy virtual slave labor (the U.S. holds a quarter of the world's prison population). You work exorbitant hours under capitalism, and the remuneration is still not enough for many to pay all their bills and to survive. You spend most of your days and time at work where you are under the complete command of your boss. Workers, unless they are organized, have no say in the production process and cannot resist unjust treatment, conditions, pay or benefits (lack thereof). Organized capitalists pay millions of dollars to retaliate against employees who try to organize and resist all attempts at unionization in the workplace. They have gone so far as to spy on their own workers to ensure unionization does not occur.

Socialism on the other hand is freedom, because the working majority are instead in control and have self-determination and independence in the production process. Nobody is compelled to do anything. Our rights are not temporary, as they are under bourgeois control. Socialism is based on free contract and voluntary association, it is quite literally about liberation from capitalism and other forms of reactionary oppression.

I find it sad that you are most likely not joking when you say the people are in control under a free market economy. That could not be further from the truth. The property owners and those with the most wealth clearly are in control.
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Free market economists sometimes say the market is like a democracy, and you vote with your dollars to help the production process along, and determine what capitalists produce and what they don't. The truth is, ordinary workers have very little say unless they are unionized. Obviously the people with more money have a greater say in this so-called democracy transaction process. Also, the people with zero money have zero say, even though they might have a genuine need for certain products but no money to pay for it.

The U.S. and world economies have liberalized quite a bit since the 1970s in the neoliberal era of capitalism. We have witnessed the deregulation of industry, privatization of government assets, austerity measures, attack on labor unions, cutting of corporate tax rates and so forth. A lot of this economic policy has been decided without the involvement of the working majority. In fact, a lot of it has come with the resistance from the working majority. Many South American governments have resisted and still resist neoliberal capitalism today. The Zapatista rebels famously had an uprising in southern Chiapas, Mexico the day NAFTA was implemented and have been living in communes and worker co-operatives ever since.

So no, free market capitalism is not freedom, nor is it controlled by the people. That's why working people everywhere fight it and fight for socialism instead.
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allow me to remind you that Jeff Bezos, a supposed gigarich tyrant that holds governments hostage, came from a family born in Albequerque, New Mexico, to two people in their late teens (already bad enough), and his trillion-dollar company started in a garage.

anyone can make it in the world with enough effort. sure, it might be more or less challenging depending on a situation, but regardless its possible. even then, capitalists markets would be EASIER to make it through than a socialist market because you can sell shares easier, have lower taxes, have less restrictions, and you don't have to worry about as many expenses IN GENERAL.

that is FREEDOM
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Jeff Bezos is a billionaire because he profits off of the backs of other's labor and the reallocation of surplus value. Seriously, his employees face retaliation for not meeting quotas (which require them to work very fast), for taking breaks, and the drivers have to piss in water bottles on the clock. One Amazon warehouse in the UK refused to open the garage doors due to fear of retail theft when the warehouse was soaring above 100 degrees. Instead they stationed ambulances outside for when workers collapsed. Amazon tried to pay a woman hush money after they fired her for becoming injured/disabled on the job. Amazon has also paid millions to crush unionization efforts.

Seriously, this isn't a guy to look up to. In America, you are way more likely to wind up homeless than ever become a millionaire, much less a billionaire. Just because a very small few have become successful (off of the labor of others) does not at all justify the poverty and suffering of the rest of the working class.

Everything you're describing makes the lives of the rich easier, not ordinary people like you and me. I don't care what makes them free, I care about what makes the rest of us free.
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its lovely that some of your previous points (though not the bezos ones, those are true) are you just throwing claims that you havent even backed up or provided examples of
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cmon bro
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Not an argument.
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What points do I still have to back up? Let me help you out.
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"We are deprived of the necessaries of life unless we sell our labor to the capitalist class. You work exorbitant hours under capitalism, and the remuneration is still not enough for many to pay all their bills and to survive. You spend most of your days and time at work where you are under the complete command of your boss. Workers, unless they are organized, have no say in the production process and cannot resist unjust treatment, conditions, pay or benefits (lack thereof)."

1. You are not providing examples of this
2. This is for the people who do not work HARD, companies who value their important employees will provide benefits, more flexible hours, and better pay. Why? Because you are valuable. If a company doesn't find you valuable, you can search for a new company. THATS THE BEAUTY OF CAPITALISM. You can search for different jobs if you're unhappy with your current one. If you are not getting any offers or interviews, guess what? That means YOU aren't doing something right, there are thousands of hiring companies out there, hundreds of which will pay 6 figures on 40 hours/week for GOOD WORK in an IMPORTANT PART of their system. You can't expect to get paid well if you aren't performing or are not an integral part of a system.
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I'm talking about our real-life living conditions. Look at the homeless people in your town. They rely on scraps from other people. They aren't working for an employer, so they don't equal access to food, shelter, clothing and healthcare like the rest of us. I think these basic things ought to be guaranteed to us all.
Most people tend to work 40 hour work weeks. To narrow that down, let's say people are getting at least 8 hours sleep, then maybe an hour to commute to work and back, another hour to get ready in the morning, 8 hours of week and then the rest is leisure. That leaves maybe 6 hours to yourself. Many people work still more hours than that, like 12 or 16 hour shifts. They definitely see their bosses more than their families.
Workers without a union are retaliated against all the time when they fight the injustices of their employer. I can provide plenty of examples of that if you actually need it.

And I disagree with you, there is nothing beautiful about getting the "choice" of whom you sell your labor to. It is all wage slavery at the end of the day, who cares if you have some say over which employer that is? I think you should get to decide who the management and bosses are in the workplace through elections in said workplace.

I'm not doing something right if I'm not getting hired? Try being one of the millions of convicted felons in this country. You will struggle hard to find a place who will employ you, much less a place where they'll let you live.
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Ok, again, you're saying many people are taking huge shifts, so let's start with that

You can negotiate with a company for better hours, if they don't budge, search for another job, if you don't find another one, try working in a different field. To be honest, it feels like you're straying further and further from socialism and more towards workers unions WHICH ALREADY EXIST, and are indeed perfectly fair.

As for the parts about being a felon, sure some felonies are pretty bogus, but, and hate to burst your bubble, it's probable that a good chunk of felons ARE bad people.
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Literally untrue but you didn't really even attempt an argument the last 8 times you posted memes with this sentiment so I assume you're just here to hear yourself talk as per usual
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Obviously nonfiction is anything paid for and signed off by the billionaires. You're so pathetically brainwashed.
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Obviously, you have failed again to present any credible proof of any socialist country that has succeeded... so you have to stoop to insults... again...
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Yup... you have deflected... where's the real proof?
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You don't win arguments by being a dumbass. I'm blocking you, not wasting any more time on you.
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Keep stooping to insults... you'll "win" arguments... LOL
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Self Appointed Authority, such a compelling interest.
How Social and Civil can one imagine to aspire?
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I've noticed that all your criticisms of socialism describe conditions under capitalism. What makes capitalism freedom? Socialism is authoritarianism