Nothing is positive is gained by constant representation of select races or sexual identities in the media.

So everything has to be pure white...got it...🙄

“Workers of the world divide” — Marx

"Workers of the world unite against your fellow man" - Karl Marx

The bourgeois are our fellow man? Lmao!

Then are they another species? Do they come from another planet? What makes them different the then you?

How many times in your life can you count when the bourgeoisie have oppressed you?

Do you want to know who the real oppressors are? It is the government. It has always been governments and will always be governments. They are the bourgeoisie, they are the ruling class.

It's not big business, it's not the rich and it's not white people. It is none of the oppressors that modern Marxists try to blame. It is the very thing the Marxists want to have complete power over our lives, the government.

Marx was an absolute moron for not recognizing that. I guess he was too busy writing poetry to Satan to notice.

There is constant oppression from the bourgeois so long as workers do not control the means of production and the former monopolize all of the property and resources in society. We are thus forced to sell our labor to capitalists in order to survive. We are always oppressed when people go without food, without homes, without healthcare and the bourgeois sit on all their money and resources.

Are capitalists humans as well? Sure. But they belong to an exploitative parasitic class that needs to be overthrown.

You realize I’m not a fan of liberal government either, right? You’re correct, politicians make up the bourgeois as well and they are all connected. The politicians provide a ready army, namely the police or military, to service the bourgeois and their interests, including to quell dissent from the working class.

In the very little you’ve said to me it’s painfully obvious you haven’t even touched a book from Marx or one of his followers and instead are regurgitating the confused ramblings of conservatives who think they understand Marxism. I think white people are oppressors, sure, but I don’t think anybody is saying every white person is actively oppressing all others.

Marx was an atheist and held that religion is the opium of the masses. Understood materialistically, religion is a spiritual phenomena produced by the material world, more specifically man’s own creative thinking. Religion is traditionally a spiritual ideology of the bourgeois used strategically to win minds and poison the aims of class struggle in the proletariat.

In terms of the state, Marx believed that, in transitioning to communism, there must first be a proletarian takeover of the state from the bourgeois, in other words, a dictatorship of the proletariat. Gradually, the state would lose its political character and a classless, moneyless, stateless society would be realized.

Well it is kind of hard for me to touch my electronic copy of The Communist Manifesto.

Marx was a narcissistic idiot. I have nothing but contempt for the man. He gave birth to a political and economic system that resulted in the murder of at least 100 million people and the suffering billions more.

Nothing he promised with his insanity has ever been accomplished. No one's lives have ever improved. The only equality he ever gave was equal poverty.

But the bigger issue is none of his Bourgeoisie vs Proletariat dichotomy ever existed. It make have been easier to believe that back in his day because of the way businesses operated, even in America. It was based on the European model of the business owner controlling the lives of his workers.

The world we live in today is completely devoid of any of the old European model. As work standards have been studied it has slowly but completely eradicated the old model. However, we have always been free to negotiate better working conditions or better pay in the old European model. We may not have gotten it but we were also at liberty to quit and work somewhere else, even if that meant packing up and moving to another city or state.

Now employers have realized that the best productivity they can get from their workers is not because of control. It happens when the employee is treated with respect and are given a voice in how the business should be run. When the employee feels like he is working on a team and not as a subservient, businesses tend to be more productive and more efficient.

Where you well see less of that is in lower paying jobs. It is very hard to find employees who are committed to the success of the business when they are struggling to make ends meet. And in a free country there will always, always, always be people to just have no motivation or desire to improve their living situation.

If you are stuck in a low paying job, it is not the responsibility of the government, your parents, your neighbor, your church, your civic organization, your city or anyone else's responsibility to get you into a higher paying job. That responsibility is entirely yours. If you feel oppressed in a low paying job then YOU are the one who oppressing yourself, not the bourgeoisie.

I am a huge fan of liberal government. I think the Constitution is the greatest contract between the individual and the government ever written. Maximum freedom for the individual and minimal laws.

“Murder of at least 100 million”
No. That isn’t remotely true. Right-wingers regurgitate this statistic every time they butt heads with socialists and have no idea where it comes from. It comes from the Black Book of Communism. The main contributors to the book, save the leading author have all repudiated the statistic and distanced themselves from the book, accusing the leading author of being “obsessed” with arriving at 100 million, using poor methods in order to do so and therefore producing sloppy research as a result. Nazi deaths were included to get to 100 million. Do you think those should be counted? It is a way inflated number.
“No one’s lives have ever improved”. Again, completely false. Marx gave birth to countless working class movements and through their organizations have made tremendous progress in all parts of the world. China has contributed the most in terms of reducing extreme poverty anywhere in the world. Revolutions in Burkina Faso and Spain for example, where their capitalist or colonialist states had restrained industrial and technical progress, had finally improved conditions for the peasantry through collectivization. Neither China nor Russia ever had another famine after Stalin’s five year plans or Mao’s Great Leap Forward (not saying there weren’t mistakes).
Just because work looks different, and other classes, such as the professional managerial class have emerged, does not negate the reality of class antagonism between the bourgeois and the proletariat. Liberty to “pack up” and work for another capitalist is not liberty at all, literally how can you not see that? We should be able to provide for ourselves, socialize our outputs without having to give them up to a wealthy minority.
Workers in America today earn less than they did generations ago.
In my opinion, your mindset that someone is fully responsible for managing the difficult task of entering into the upper classes by finding high paying work, which are in many cases cut off because of the inaccessibility to higher education, is absurd. It should not be a struggle to afford a comfortable living, no matter where you are in the world.
You think we need to work within the bourgeois system when it has no legitimacy whatever. What makes it more legitimate than feudalism? Or slavery? You can’t see that freedom is an illusion under capitalism. Every worker has to sell their labor in order to survive.

12 million killed by Hitler
25 million killed by Stalin (including 1 million Ukrainians starved to death)
75 million killed by Mao
2 million killed by Pol Pot
63 million killed by the SCOTUS since Roe v Wade.

These numbers are not inflated, they are actual facts. The problem is that socialists always seek to mitigate the damage they cause.

But just for the fun of it, let's divide this number in half. Does that make you feel better about socialism? How about we divide by 4. Does that make you feel better?

The actual number has relevance but how can you justify it if you cut it down to 10 million? It still makes it pure evil.

I definitely think Nazi deaths should be included. Hitler rose to power on the backs of the German National Socialists. He was kept in power by the German National Socialists. His atrocities were committed by the German National Socialists. Say what you want about Hitler but the fact remains, he couldn't have done very much on his own without the help of all for pure, righteous, kind, considerate, tolerance and loving Socialists.

So you think those socialist/communist/fascist nations achieved great progress? What is progress? Is it social programs?

What great achievements in science, medicine and technology have they created? Who are the stand out individuals who achieved greatness?

And if there were any who achieved a modicum of greatness, how hard were they pushed by their governments?

You point out a few minor instances and yet China and No. Korea are slave states. The only incentive to produce is threats to your life.

The ONLY way capitalism works is when the individual is free to determine how he or she will live their own life. Everything bad about capitalism that Marx and his minions talk about is corruption, not capitalism. Greed is corruption and there isn't a Marxist dictator out there who isn't driven by greed. The question is how will someone else's greed affect me? Government greed causes my taxes to go up. Corporate greed causes the price of their products to go up or the quality to decrease. But I am forced to pay taxes, I don't have to buy those products. If Warren Buffet got rich because of greed, it has absolutely no affect on my life. We have a government that is 30 trillion in debt. That has a horrifying affect on my life because at some point the people are going to have to pay for that or the economy will collapse and then we revert back to horse and buggy days.

You are extremely confused. Whatever numbers you just produced are irrelevant, because they are heavily debated numbers that scholars have no consensus on. And I would tally an additional 40 million deaths attributable to Hitler because he started WWII. Did you know one of the founders of the Victims of Communism memorial foundation works with a Nazi collaborator?

Socialists did not collaborate with Hitler. The NSDAP, after a wave of splinter parties became the dominant right-wing party in Germany. German conservatives were voting for the Nazis. At the Nazis’ peak, only about 1 out of 10 SPD voters defected to the Nazis. I doubt any communists defected (they started the first Antifascist organization in the world). You don’t know shit about Nazi Germany. Tolerant people didn’t aid Hitler. People full of total hatred did. There is a reason when you debate socialists that we don’t defend Hitler, ever. He wasn’t a socialist and nobody on the left claims him, except for other confused people, like NazBols.

Many people died in Russia and China because of poor collectivization and also both countries were prone to famines due to restrained industrial progress and conditions. Both were agrarian peasant countries and people starved there under their previous rulers. After Stalin and Mao, both nations never saw a famine again. I wouldn’t have done things in the same way as Stalin and Mao because I’m not a central planner, but I know life was better under socialism than Tsardom or the Qing Dynasty.

You’re joking about the science comment, right? The Soviets were the true winners of the space race.

No, Marx’s criticism of capitalism is not corruption, it is the entire fabric of the system. He criticizes the mechanics of capitalist production and what he describes as exploitation. You need to read Marx and stop talking out of your butt pretending like you understand what you’re talking about.

When people sit on wealth while others suffer, that directly affects the rest of us. When 20% of the people own 86% of the resources, there is a problem.

What is just as bad as greed? Envy. Marxism cannot exist without creating a whole lot of envy. The rich have too much money, so we much take it because we want to make our lives better. Envy and Greed are just two sides of the same coin.

Here is another problem that you probably haven't considered. Right now capitalism is practiced by only small businesses because large corporations are in bed with the government. Those corporations are either Corporatists or in the case of the world's biggest financial institutions, big tech, big pharma, and the entire media, that is fascism. It is not exactly the fascism that Mussolini espoused but the results are the same. Mussolini took over all businesses in Italy by force but he left the business owners retain ownership and they still ran those businesses. This newer fascism that is happening right under our noses, is the largest businesses voluntarily collude with the socialists in government.

You know, like how we just found out that the FBI and Twitter worked in harmony to stop people from expressing opinions that the fascists don't like. Like how ImgFlip's moderators in the Politics group, act like little dictators and censor opinions they don't like. Facebook, Google, Apple, Microsoft and Amazon all are engaged in the same activities.

Every TV and movie, if they mention anything about politics it is always pro-leftist. Conservatives are portrayed as domestic terrorists or white supremacists. Christians are always the bad guys or child molesters. A very common movie trope now is when one person asks another person if they are religious it ALWAYS ends up with neither believing in God, when that is just not reality. Yes, there are a lot of atheists and Christianity is on the decline but we are not at the point where EVERYONE is an atheist. There is still a Christian majority. And why is it that when Jews or Christians do anything in the public square the Freedom From Religion morons get their panties in a bind. But Muslims get a pass everywhere they go. If they have any special requirements to fulfill their religious obligations, everyone, including the government, is right there helping them. Why does the 1st Amendment only apply to them and occasionally Buddhists and no one else?

Just asking. Religion does not have anything to do with Marxism, except for Liberation Theology and Black Liberation Theology where they put a Jesus mask on Karl Marx's face and pretend to be Christian.

I’ll just keep this short, one, people have a right to be envious when capitalists and colonists steal their f**king land and force them into servitude, and make them survive on small amounts of money.

Two, fascists are not trying to censor conservative opinions. Fascists are the ones with conservative opinions.

Spoken just like a liberal. Can you just pull your head out of the sand for 2 seconds and look around? It has nothing to do with skin color. It has everything to do with collectives and group think. The left has been trying, very successfully, in creating collectives based on some identifying, but totally irrelevant, feature. Then they promote those collectives as the the oppressed and everyone not in those collectives are the oppressor. It is a divided and conquer strategy.

Diversity comes from the same root as divide. It means to separate and isolate people into specific groups and then the politicians, news media and professors pretend to speak for these collectives.

Diversity is promoted as being inclusive but here is the massively huge problem with that. If a person who would fit into any of those collectives is a conservative, a libertarian, or just thinks for themself, they are excluded. In fact they are treated, at best, like they don't exist and at worst, that they are betraying their collective.

End the end, there is really only one collective and it is Marxist ideology, not race, sexual id or anything else. If you do not march in lockstep with the leftist narrative then you are considered worthless. You are considered a racists, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, Islamophobe and a bigot. And soon you will be calling us pedophobes.

"'Diversity comes from the same root as divide. It means to separate and isolate people into specific groups'

No it doesn't"

Come on Octavia. You're smarter than that.

To divide it to separate to united objects. In math to divide is to find the difference between two numbers. It has to do with separating objects, people, numbers to find their differences.

Diversity is based on the same root as diverse. It has to do with a wide range if differences. Different objects, people, opinions, perspectives, etc.

They are both about the differences between things. You cannot have diversity without division, it is impossible. If everything is the same then nothing has been divided and there is no diversity.

Let me divert from my original meme to show a divided opinion. Diversity is not a virtue based on race or ethnicity. We have no control over our race or ethnicity. There is no virtue in being one race over another because we were all created equal.

HOWEVER, what we do have control of is our values, morals, ethics, opinions, lifestyle, philosophy, etc. THAT kind of diversity IS a virtue. It leads to emotional growth, knowledge, intellect and experiences. But it is also a double-edged sword because it can also lead to war, violence, arguments, hatred, frustration, etc. So on one hand it is a virtue but on the other it is a vice. How we decide to act when faced with opposition is what determines if it is a virtue.

In a free society, diversity of thought is critical. But we are losing that free society. We are told we much all think the same, have the same opinions, etc. Fact checkers, based entirely on this one opinion, are calling everyone who does not agree with them liars. ImgFlip moderators have no tolerance for certain opinions. ImgFlip users routinely call people who do not hold that opinion, "liars", and that is from the nicer ImgFlip users. The rest of the Libs, ironically, call those who do not have that one opinion, "Nazis" and "fascists".

Those opinions we are being pushed into just happens to be your opinions. You march in lockstep with the leftist elites who are controlling the world.

The MAGAts reject anybody who refuses to march in lockstep with Trump.

They haven't rejected me. I don't march in lockstep with Trump. There's a ton of stuff I didn't like about Trump.

They don't know about you.