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We do not need the trauma that would come from putting a president in prison. | REPEATING MY PAST PROPOSAL:; PRESIDENT BIDEN SHOULD GRANT DONALD TRUMP A PARDON, LIKE FORD GAVE NIXON. THE FORMER PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE TO ADMIT HIS GUILT AND AGREE TO STAY OUT OF POLITICS FOREVER. | image tagged in donald trump | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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0 ups, 3y,
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51 former national security officials falsely claimed the Hunter laptop was Russian misinformation. That claim was used to influence an election. None of the 51 nor its originator have been prosecuted.

Lois Lerner abused the power of the IRS against conservative groups prior to an election to influence the election. She was never prosecuted.

Hillary Clinton and the DNC in collaboration with many others in the White House, FBI, DOJ, the media and a law firm knowingly smeared Trump with false information before an election and continued their actions with a special investigation.

Make mandatory prison time for all those part of the deal and he might just accept
0 ups, 3y
“We are all individuals who devoted significant portions of our lives to national security. Some of us served in senior positions in policy departments and agencies, and some of us served in senior positions in the Intelligence Community. Some of us were political appointees, and some were career officials. Many of us worked for presidents of both political parties."

“We are all also individuals who see Russia as one of our nation’s primary adversaries. All of us have an understanding of the wide range of Russian overt and covert activities that undermine US national security, with some of us knowing Russian behavior intimately, as we worked to defend our nation against it for a career. A few of us worked against Russian information operations in the United States in the last several years.”

“Perhaps most important, each of us believes deeply that American citizens should determine the outcome of elections, not foreign governments. All of us agree with the founding fathers’ concern about the damage that foreign interference in our politics can do to our democracy."

“It is for all these reasons that we write to say that the arrival on the US political scene of emails purportedly belonging to Vice President Biden’s son Hunter, much of it related to his time serving on the Board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma, has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”

This is the letter. Where exactly does it make the false claim you say it does? The "Trump Justice Department," passed on the political prosecutions you suggest. Trump lost the election because he failed as a leader at every opportunity.
3 ups, 3y,
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Name the charge that you claim he is guilty of.
3 ups, 3y,
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It doesn't matter what I think. The Attorney General would not have gone to the effort of naming a "Special Prosecutor," if it was apparent that there was nothing to prosecute. It is highly probable that they already have at least one major charge that they think they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. Forced to choose I would say it is in the documents case.
0 ups, 3y
In the mean time any news of special prosecutor for Biden’s documents is conspicuously absent.
We are still waiting to see charges recommended for Biden.
3 ups, 3y,
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Then name it.
3 ups, 3y,
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A group of legal scholars analyzed the known facts of the Mar-A-Lago documents case, and came up with this list of charges:

Retention of national defense information (18 USC § 793(e));
Concealing government records (18 USC § 2071);
Conversion of government property (18 USC § 641);
Obstruction of justice (18 USC § 1519);
Criminal contempt (18 USC § 402); and
False statements to federal investigators (18 USC § 1001)

Since he was still President when the documents were brought to his private residence, he would not be charged with taking them. No court is likely to uphold his "I declassified them," without documentation of said act. All these charges pertain to his willful disregard of his obligation to return all government property after January 20,2021. That is exacerbated by the fact that he ignored multiple requests from GSA and the National Archives that he return them and submitted untrue documentation that he had complied with the law.

The potential charges above come from a 169-page document published Thursday. I will read it this weekend.
2 ups, 3y,
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Legal Scholars? Legal Scholars?? You mean law school students spit-balling about what they "think"? Conducting moot courts with the deck stacked against the "defendant"...
"Potential charges"??
That is quite a stretch, Larry. Too bad you don't have the reach.
3 ups, 3y,
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The authors are former DOJ and DOD prosecutors with expertise in these types of cases. You are free to read their document at Just Security Mar a Lago Model Prosecution Memorandum November 2022 by Just Security on Scribd. It will be interesting to see whose characterization of this document is closer to the facts, after the Grand Jury brings charges. I have not completed reading the documents, yet. However, I don't see how he will avoid indictment.
2 ups, 3y,
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Really? You don't?
I do...just like he avoided all the other false charges. He is not guilty of any of the things you project on to him.
You are free to provide E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E of his crimes, not innuendo, not your "wish-list" of supposed "crimes".
2 ups, 3y,
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The evidence is found in the multiple notices and requests from the government telling him he had government property and demanded its return. It is also found in his responses asserting he had returned said property, before the FBI executed search warrants and found it in and around his private residence. I have cited a source for a more complete description of this evidence for you or anyone else to refer to.
1 up, 3y,
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Then you should have no problem telling me exactly what exact crime he committed.
I can wait.
3 ups, 3y,
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Retention of national defense information (18 USC § 793(e));
Concealing government records (18 USC § 2071);
Conversion of government property (18 USC § 641);
Obstruction of justice (18 USC § 1519);
Criminal contempt (18 USC § 402); and
False statements to federal investigators (18 USC § 1001)
2 ups, 3y
So, why hasn’t he been charged and arraigned?
Ohhhh…. Right,,,,there’s no evidence.
2 ups, 3y
Amazing [non] refutal!
2 ups, 3y,
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sure sure... millions of dollars and lots of years and still NOTHING...

This is unheard of... the first time ever a sitting President uses the government to go after their political rival...
3 ups, 3y,
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Eugene Debs, a presidential candidate, may not have had the size of political party that Trump has behind him. But he was prosecuted by the Justice Department, when a potential political rival was President. The law calls for the Justice Department to ignore that status when considering whether to bring charges. There are numerous precedents of people being charged for similar crimes on a smaller scale, being convicted and serving time.
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3 ups, 3y
I ignore comments that have little value or merit. Sorry if it hurts your feelings, but some of what you post is more like a zircon than a diamond.
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2 ups, 3y,
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Nope. Prison is in that bitch's future
3 ups, 3y
Thanks for proving my earlier assertion!
2 ups, 3y,
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Trump leads from the front.
Too bad you don't have any images of him at the Capitol Building that day. Of course, he wasn't there.
The only people demanding prison for him are malcontents who are sore that he beat Hillary like a baby seal, even though she and Obama stacked the deck against him using the DOJ & the FBI in a phony "collusion" charge.
Which failed.

Now, BIden, on the other hand, he leads from behind. Hiding in his basement or at Rehoboth Beach.
3 ups, 3y,
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He was never charged with collusion. He beat that phrase to death, as part of his disinformation campaign. And it was his own Justic Department that assigned a Special Prosecutor to investigate him. That prosecutor said that the reason he wasn't charged was because DOJ interpreted the law to say a sitting president could not be charged.
2 ups, 3y,
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Actually, it was the MEDIA that beat that phrase to death, as part of THEIR disinformation campaign.
Again, your pomposity is exceeded only by your mendacity.
3 ups, 3y,
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Again, you have mischaracterized the source of information to fit a faulty narrative.
2 ups, 3y
It’s just a meme. Ted Pillman has made a career out that persona… I wasn’t mocking anyone. And Ted is white as rice.
Engaging in a meaningful conversation with you would be an excercise in futility.
2 ups, 3y,
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No, Larry...that is what YOU do. Daily.
3 ups, 3y,
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He posted actual facts, as always.

You post nothing but reactionary ad hominems as 'refutations'
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2 ups, 3y,
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Inbreeding has done Confedies good!

Perhaps if you keep posting that introspective meme a gazillion times more in a day it might eventually somehow resonate with the mass viewing audience. Perhaps.
1 up, 3y
I wonder about the ability to engage in meaningful conversation, when a person posts memes that rely on mocking someone's physical deformities, size, shape, race, or other characteristic, over which they have no control. That is the lowest level of humor possible. It suggests the posting party lacks the intellectual where-with-all for serious debate and has no discernable sense of empathy.
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"I'm Rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say, bounces off of me and sticks to you."
2 ups, 3y,
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Really?
I thought you were in your 70’s.
1 up, 3y
If you keep repeating your lies (and coupled with a lame attempt at ad hominem to boot), everyone else who lives in reality is bound to eventually get brainwashed into believing it because of the sheer awesomeness of it all!

Which reminds me, any examples of "Lest We Forget" on Armistice Day there in Texas the other week? Been a year, surely you must have come across a plethora of them by now as you claim there are...
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"merryprankster

... The fact remains that it was the Hillary campaign and a complicit MEDIA that started the “Russian collusion” hoax and propagandists like you who run with it."

False. That lil' goalpost was a Trump one, him being the one to introduce it into the mix, and repeatedly repeating it repeatedly, no less.

You ARE aware that you can look at video clips of Trumpty saying it just like it was on John Peel, yes?
0 ups, 3y
A lot of “things” there, yet, no charges filed or convictions for DJT.
He is only using the term that Hillary’s campaign and the MEDIA coined with their proven hoax.

Hey, don’t you have more fat-assed women to exploit in your memes, with and sans captions?
1 up, 3y,
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Context is everything. My posting made more sense when it came after your "No Larry, that's what you do," statement. Even though your meme probably violates the rules concerning demeaning comments, I will let it stand. It is a perfect example of what you think is appropriate.
2 ups, 3y
Yes, yes it is. The context is your constant lying about history. The fact remains that it was the Hillary campaign and a complicit MEDIA that started the “Russian collusion” hoax and propagandists like you who run with it.
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2 ups, 3y,
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Are your forgetting about stealing top secret documents?
2 ups, 3y,
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In all fairness, he was still president when he took the documents to his private residence. I don't see how he could be charged with "stealing," them. As former president, he would no longer have a legal "need to know," what was in the classified documents. And the non-classified documents were not his. He would have legal "access," to such documents under existing law, but not possession. His lawyers and government lawyers appear to have advised him of the above. He illegally retained these documents, subsequent to these notifications. So, the charge would be "retention," not "stealing."
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2 ups, 3y,
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Yeah. Don't think so.

He took the highest toppest secretest documents. Documents that shouldn't leave their secure location and flew home with them and stored in an unsecured location.
2 ups, 3y,
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As President, he had the right to see any document he wanted at any time in any location he wished. I think he was irresponsible, in this regard. But I don't see how anyone would be sustained in defying a direct order from the president to give him a document or documents. As the country's top Foreign Policy officer, he would have the last word in such contests.
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Yeah. Don't think Trump waltzing in and saying show me all the top secret nuclear information and btw I am taking these home with me is how it went down.
2 ups, 3y
In the movie "Zero Dark Thirty," there is a scene that supposedly recounts a real-life event, which demonstrates how this happens below the Chief Executive level. The protagonist is shown having lunch in the cafeteria at CIA headquarters, in Langley, VA. The CIA Director enters the cafeteria and asks if he can join her. She is uncomfortable with his request but agrees to him joining her. After some small talk about her history of joining the CIA fresh out of high school, he asks if she is aware of why the agency recruited her. She tells him she can't tell him, that she is not allowed to tell him. She is not allowed to tell him because the program that recruited her was top-secret and he did not demonstrate a "need to know," the information. She told the CIA head that she could not tell him. He let it pass because she was right. Secrets are secret for good reasons.
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REPEATING MY PAST PROPOSAL:; PRESIDENT BIDEN SHOULD GRANT DONALD TRUMP A PARDON, LIKE FORD GAVE NIXON. THE FORMER PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE TO ADMIT HIS GUILT AND AGREE TO STAY OUT OF POLITICS FOREVER.