90 deliberate missiles vs. 1 accidental missile: Who Would Win

Everyone who's ever been through school knows this dynamic. Bully punches kid 90 times, kid punches back 1 time: Bullied kid is deemed "the problem."

In a similar way, Russian state-backed propaganda, allied with anti-Ukraine right-wing troll counterparts in the West, wants to exploit this one off-course missile to re-frame Ukraine as somehow being the aggressor in this whole conflict.

Poland itself doesn't think that, NATO doesn't think that, and anyone looking at this honestly doesn't think that. Russia started this war. All 91 missiles fired that day are a consequence of that.

you know, it feels odd being both aligned with the Republicans while standing with Ukraine. I find it odd that the other imgflip Conservatives, who should probably care the most about stopping anything Russia does considering the Cold War, largely ignore or even support Russia's war against Ukraine.

I think it's time to ask others like you- in a hopefully balanced explanation, do you have any idea why this is the case? I want to hear other perspectives, even those I may not agree with, on what feels really backwards based on my beliefs. My guess is that imgflip conservatives are just particularly extreme- my conservative friends and family all seem to be on Ukraine's side in real life.

Good question.

The mainstream, Reaganite conservative viewpoint is to push for freedom and democracy in Europe, and to oppose the obviously totalitarian USSR (now Russia).

Trump and the populist alt-Right are part of a different tradition: isolationism, which has deep roots going back to the isolationists of the WWII era like Charles Lindbergh (who were effectively pro-Nazi), as well as isolationists who wanted to keep America out of WWI. Arguably, this viewpoint goes all the way back to George Washington who in his farewell address cautioned America to avoid “entangling alliances.” That viewpoint won out when the U.S. turned its back on its former ally, France, when the latter underwent a Revolution and then got itself involved in the Napoleonic Wars. Though, ultimately, America could not avoid conflict with Britain indefinitely (see: War of 1812).

The question is this: Should America be interested in European affairs, or is it its own thing?

I think that was a very good question when America was a relatively weak, newbie state.

But in the 20th, let alone the 21st century, I think it’s obvious we have a self-interest in keeping fascism (whether it’s German, or Russian, or Chinese) from dominating the world.

But it’s certainly a temptation to retreat inward and tell everyone else to f**k off. But I think that’s a posture that will be far more costly for America in the long run. An unfree Europe and an unfree Asia will inevitably put considerable pressures on the Western Hemisphere to turn unfree as well. Perhaps some “isolationists” actually secretly want this.

wow, that was honestly a much better reply then I expected, and I can't really disagree with any of it.

If the United States wants any business in remaining a Superpower, which as perhaps the strongest Western Nation and arguably the last remnant of the western unity that allowed us to go the extra mile in the cold war, we most certainly have a business, nay, an obligation, to fight for democracy in the face of fascism and hardcore communism- if we don't, western democracy could be forfeit amidst a resurgent Russia, and though China is struggling, it too has the possibility of further hurting what little we would have left.

Though I align myself with the conservatives, I have left Trump behind. I see him as a ship that's already sailed, and it's time to jump to a new one before he sinks. I get the sense that this is the direction the rest of the party is starting to go too, but obviously this remains to be seen especially in 2024.

Basic Russian troll farm bots and shills and those duped into following them, which is plenty, as seen by the tons on various social media sites saying the same things. Just look at the front page, it's a conveyor belt of the same exact theme of the week memes differing only in templates and variations on wording used.

Some use alts here, but you can tell others apart by the words and lingo, grammar skills, etc, yet they otherwise sound identical.
Sure, shared political stances can account for that, but not for continued adulation for Putin even as they suddenly started jumping off the Trump bus last week. Really weird sticking up for a former KGB invading another country but not the guy they've been saying they're going to start Civil War II for the sake of for the last 6 yrs.

Not saying most here are shills - you'd see more of those on FB and Twitter and the like with memberships of gazillion of folks. But their influence is felt.

As for them caring "the most about stopping anything Russia does considering the Cold War," sure, it's odd that the "Nuke the Ruskies" contingent has swayed so far the other way, but they already did as it fell out of vogue when the Iron Curtain started Glastnosting to its demise back in the day, as the outcry against Rocky IV and Amerika can attest.

People prone to the tendency of flocking to caustic causes and cutesy jagged jingoism and kill-em-all stances without much thought are, by definition, people who have the tendency to flock to caustic causes and cutesy jagged jingoism and kill-em-all stances without much thought. It isn't so much about doing, but about belonging. Bumper stickers, after all, don't fight wars. Then again, people in general are like that, all talk, and that can oh so easily sway with the wind, depending on the soup de jour their team is told to like.

https://spyscape.com/article/inside-the-troll-factory-russias-internet-research-agency