Remember kids lionesses hunt, but nonetheless their pride is still ruled by a lion

Secular or sectarian?

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It's actually a very simple explanation. Many secular people such as myself believe that men and women deserve the same rights and legal protections, so any human rights men have, women should have as well. Make sense?

No, because you have no sound argument for those so called “rights”. It makes sense if you mean sensitive feelings(i.e you feel sad when you see a woman without “equal rights”) but if you’re simply asking if it seems reasonable or not I can assure you it doesn’t.

"That’s somewhat circular ‘Hurting people is bad… because hurting people is bad’."

No, shooting innocent people is bad because it hurts them.

"Well, if God tells you to shoot someone that’s a different case. The rules have been slightly shifted"

Why have the rules been shifted? Either it's moral or it's not. And you didn't answer the question. Would you shoot someone if god told you to?

"You’ve still of course failed to address why it’s wrong"

I said it's wrong because it hurts people

"But is it not true someone with minimal negative genetic mutations would have more use to society?"

Not necessarily. Look at Stephen Hawking.

"As an atheist what do you do to ascertain right from wrong?"

I ask whether or not it contributes to the overall well-being of an individual or society. That's my starting point.

“No, shooting innocent people is bad because it hurts them.”

Shooting someone is an act of inflicting damage upon their body, hurting is an act of inflicting a age upon someone’s body and therefore causing pain. So we need to break this down: what makes hurting people morally wrong?

“Why have the rules been shifted? Either it's moral or it's not. And you didn't answer the question. Would you shoot someone if god told you to?“

If morals rely on a higher power for support, then the higher power can alter those morals. I would say it’s highly unlikely that God would request someone kills someone, but it’s still possible. I would probably do it, but only after very careful analysis if it was truly God. If it was a dream for an example the same dream would have to occur every night vividly for a month or so. If it was a thought I would not listen. And if it was a vision I would first try and deduce wether or not I have the imagination to create such an occurrence in my head.

“I said it's wrong because it hurts people”

Why is hurting people wrong?

“Not necessarily. Look at Stephen Hawking.”

Well, sure, but he was also a genius. I was addressing someone with mediocre talents who also had a genetic defect. So someone who does not hold the genetic to be one of the greatest theoretic physicists of the modern era. Someone with subpar to mediocre traits. Should they be culled? If not why shouldn’t they be culled? Are they not simply worsening overpopulation?

“I ask whether or not it contributes to the overall well-being of an individual or society. That's my starting point.”

What makes society so Important that it dictates morality?

"So we need to break this down: what makes hurting people morally wrong?"

A society where people are allowed to hurt other people whenever they want isn't going to function very well

"If morals rely on a higher power for support, then the higher power can alter those morals."

Then morality is subjective, not objective

"I would say it’s highly unlikely that God would request someone kills someone"

He did just that in the Bible, numerous times

"I would probably do it, but only after very careful analysis if it was truly God"

And how would you determine if it was from god and not from your own brain, or from some other source?

"If it was a dream for an example the same dream would have to occur every night vividly for a month or so"

So if you had the same vivid dream every night for a month telling you to kill someone, you would do it? That doesn't sound moral or logical.

"Why is hurting people wrong?"

That's part of my standard for what makes something immoral. Like I said, if people are free to hurt anyone they want, society won't function very well.

"Someone with subpar to mediocre traits. Should they be culled?"

I would say no, because they still enrich other people's lives and have plenty to contribute.

"What makes society so Important that it dictates morality?"

Because we depend on society for our survival.

“Because we depend on society for our survival.”

The importance of survival implies an inherent value to life which there is no reason for besides the idea that there is a higher meaning to life. If there was no deity behind life we’d hold no more significance than any other matter and I think most people would agree certain matters don’t hold intrinsic value. For an example gaseous waste. Now once again atheists would typically argue through evolution for a meaning to life but it’s a very unsound argument. Evolution can only point to a purpose, but not a meaningful purpose. I enjoy boxing the PURPOSE behind contracting my muscles in a way that leads to my glove making contact with their face is to hit them and inflict pain, but the vast majority of the time I have no personal conflict with this person therefore having no meaning behind it. Now if I was walking and someone harasses or attacks someone and I punch the assailant to fulfill my God given mission to assist and love my neighbor that is meaningful.

“Then morality is subjective, not objective”

No, you just failed to use your brain. If the primary moral is to fulfill God’s commandments then following a commandment from God is the ultimate moral act. Something can be objective while having variables an example being a cars maximum speed although its minimum speed is 0 and it’s maximum is let’s say 150 mph it can still go anywhere in between those speeds.
“I am the LORD your God. You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve.“
is the first commandment which puts it above ‘thou shalt not kill’ and therefore it holds more importance than the latter. Another argument is that if we are to believe in free will then if God tells us to kill someone He is working through us and we are not doing it out of our own free will. We are following God’s command out of our free will, but the actions we perform are through His will. Further you’re pro-choice so you clearly see no wrong in subjection involved in morals. Really you believe in subjective reality, a human is what you believe to be a human rather than what is genetically a human, a woman is what ever you believe to be a woman, a man is whatever you believe to be a man, etc.
Now an easy objection to this would be that I support capital punishment which is true, but I don’t believe it to be morally just. Objectively if I vote and support a state official who believes in capital punishment inherently I aid in the use of it

Are you saying that if a god doesn't exist, then human rights don't exist?

Yes, yes I am. If there is no higher power then there is no meaning to life. If there is no meaning to life then there’s no meaning in society. Society is based around the perversive ideology that you should help people. Other animals don’t allow people with kidney problems live, instead they die off. It’s basic evolution through natural selection those with undesirable alleles are culled. But humans thanks to religion believe we’re supposed to join together and use our intellect to create things to help others. Someone with good health devoted their life to creating better health care so that people who weren’t gifted genetically could survive. People who were good at math made calculators so people bad at math could do math. But atheists propose that is all wrong and those who can’t do math simply don’t deserve to live since they’ll taint the human genome, those who have weak immune systems should simply die of disease, etc.

"If there is no higher power then there is no meaning to life"

How did you come to that conclusion? I don't believe in god but my life has meaning

"Society is based around the perversive ideology that you should help people"

Exactly. That's why you don't need a god for life to have meaning.

"Other animals don’t allow people with kidney problems live, instead they die off. It’s basic evolution through natural selection those with undesirable alleles are culled"

Not necessarily, no. And you're confusing evolution with the meaning of life.

"But humans thanks to religion believe we’re supposed to join together and use our intellect to create things to help others"

Humans do that with or without religion. I don't have any religion and I believe people should work together to help others. In fact, religion often gets in the way of that.

"Someone with good health devoted their life to creating better health care so that people who weren’t gifted genetically could survive. People who were good at math made calculators so people bad at math could do math. But atheists propose that is all wrong and those who can’t do math simply don’t deserve to live since they’ll taint the human genome"

I don't know where you got that idea, but it's ridiculous. I've never heard a single atheist (including myself) say that people who are bad at math deserve to die off.

“Humans do that with or without religion. I don't have any religion and I believe people should work together to help others. In fact, religion often gets in the way of that.”

In other words you’ve been indoctrinated by religious ideology. If you haven’t then explain to me why it’s wrong to shoot an innocent person.

“I don't know where you got that idea, but it's ridiculous. I've never heard a single atheist (including myself) say that people who are bad at math deserve to die off.”

Well, obviously that was an exaggeration, but let’s say there’s someone with Down Syndrome and for sake of argument they’re male so they can’t reproduce and their performance at all occupations are subpar-mediocre. Why does this person have worth? I’ve seen atheists argue genetic diversity, but of course that’s ridiculous because there’s minimal cases of males with Down syndrome being fertile.(not to mention chances are they support abortion because women are “more than an incubator for a man’s child”)

"In other words you’ve been indoctrinated by religious ideology. If you haven’t then explain to me why it’s wrong to shoot an innocent person"

If you need religion to explain to you why it's wrong to shoot an innocent person, then I don't know what to tell you. I know that shooting an innocent person hurts them and that's why it's bad. It's really not that complicated.

What if God tells you to shoot someone. Would you do it? If so, then you shouldn't be around other people, because you're a danger to them. If not, then that means you're able to understand that it's wrong, even if a God tells you to do it. And that means that your morality doesn't actually come from God.

"let’s say there’s someone with Down Syndrome and for sake of argument they’re male so they can’t reproduce"

Are males with DS infertile? I've never heard that.

"Why does this person have worth?"

Because they can still contribute a lot to society

"I’ve seen atheists argue genetic diversity, but of course that’s ridiculous because there’s minimal cases of males with Down syndrome being fertile.(not to mention chances are they support abortion because women are “more than an incubator for a man’s child”)"

I'm not sure why you think that atheists automatically believe that if somebody is infertile then they're useless to society

“If you need religion to explain to you why it's wrong to shoot an innocent person, then I don't know what to tell you. I know that shooting an innocent person hurts them and that's why it's bad. It's really not that complicated.”

That’s somewhat circular ‘Hurting people is bad… because hurting people is bad’.

“What if God tells you to shoot someone. Would you do it? If so, then you shouldn't be around other people, because you're a danger to them. If not, then that means you're able to understand that it's wrong, even if a God tells you to do it. And that means that your morality doesn't actually come from God.”

Well, if God tells you to shoot someone that’s a different case. The rules have been slightly shifted. But there’s a reason why most theologians speak out against imaginative prayer.
You’ve still of course failed to address why it’s wrong.

“Because they can still contribute a lot to society”

Sure, that can be argued. But is it not true someone with minimal negative genetic mutations would have more use to society?

Those were some nice questions, but I must ask once again. As an atheist what do you do to ascertain right from wrong?