I hear there’s a labor shortage. A general strike right now would be really bad timing!

it would suck in Texas when women said no more intercourse and the men say, "suck it"

What “life winning” actually looks like to a raped 13-year-old:

That movie is such dishonest propaganda

Makes me want to see it if it's that truthful.

A failed assassination plot on Kavanaugh and some graffiti on the walls of “pregnancy crisis centers” doesn’t equal all the successful right-wing assassinations of abortion providers, not to mention the way they’ve harassed women outside clinics for decades.

The right injected violence and intimidation into this issue a long time ago. If they’re finally getting a taste of their own medicine now, maybe that’s a good thing.

When was the last time a prolifer shot up an abortion clinic? And that's horrible to advocate violence, but hey, lefty.

Funny you should ask. You really don’t know do you?

Three dead including one officer. Another instance where Blue Lives Don’t Matter as long as some of the right folks are getting hit in the process. But yeah keep whining about graffiti I guess.

Well, according to you, leftist abortionists have been violent so all's fair play, hmmm?

2015. Okay. Yet I can point to 2022 for pregnancy centers being attacked and an assassination attempt on a pro life justice. And it's just begun. I can denounce that idiot being pro life, will you denounce those now that commit political violence?

Violence and intimidation are not the answer: non-violent resistance, subversion, and noncompliance are. At least, that’s what Gandhi and MLK would say.

"If a liberal says it's not true then it must be true"

Good luck getting through life with that kind of logic. Also, I should let you know that arsenic tastes really really bad.

You tried to kill yourself with arsenic? You should seek help for your clinical depression...

These people are really violent! He just treated me like a little innocent defenseless baby, wanting me to die!

Served me well so far.

We’re not going to agree on everything today.

Can we agree the state shouldn’t force rape victims to give birth, or would you like to keep deflecting?

You’re right, this high schooler shouldn’t have been wearing those short-shorts and tempted her uncle like that.

Most of that is untrue. Before a certain stage of development they can't feel any pain at all. And they don't try to "flee in terror". That's just bullshit.

There’s no brainwave activity until the 3rd trimester, when states have always had the right to ban abortions under Roe v. Wade.

“Fetal pain,” “partial-birth abortion,” and those kinds of tropes are dog-whistles and have nothing to do with banning early-term pregnancy, when the fetus is either a clump of cells that can’t be seen except with a microscope, or something that can be mistaken for a pig.

It’s sad to see red states falling back into superstition and the dark ages, but oh well. We tried.

Over 90% of abortions occur in the first trimester. Late-term abortions are extremely rare. But these people want you to think that it's the exact opposite. Anyone who wants to terminate a pregnancy would want to do so as early as possible and would not want to wait until the third trimester.

Third-trimester abortions are very burdensome and emotionally draining for everyone involved. A woman would only need one in a last-resort, extreme medical or life-threatening situation.

“Pro-lifers” want to equate late-term abortions with taking a couple pills a few weeks into one’s pregnancy and having a heavy period, basically. They’re not the same.

Exactly. Just like how they want to equate a zygote with a fully formed infant

Not the same in terms of procedure and stage, but the purpose ultimately is.
Emotional reaction is just altering the perception, not function.

So you'll stand against abortions after the first trimester? You'll stand against late term abortions?

I already oppose very late term abortions except in rare cases, and I don't support partial birth abortion at all

Very late term. So nothing after 8 months?

Brain activity begins at 5 - 6 weeks. Granted, it isn't at the level where the unborn can say, "Hey, can someone give me an Adderall, this hurts," but the ability to sense stimuli and react to it begin well before the 3rd tri.

Sure, there are appeals to emotion from one camp in regards to registration of pain, but the same can be said of the converse and its attempt to minimize it, and regardless, just because an adult is under general anesthesia when getting hacked to death with a axe doesn't mean they didn't get to die. Degree of registration or interpretation of pain or not, the purpose is to end a life, and that's what abortion does. By design.
Usually.

Get educated. I can only imagine how bad its gotten since 2004. Your talking points are pathetic. Add those 3 up. Almost 8 % of cases. Majority of abortions from weak minded people afraid to lose their freedoms.

8% of a big number is still a big number.

That said, if only 8% of cases of abortion will be impacted by these reasonable common-sense exceptions, then why don’t red states just pass them?

Do that, and I’ll lose my “talking point” — simple!

Don’t do it, and the pro-life movement may lose everything it’s fought for, by being zealots who care more about dogma than people’s lives.

Don’t believe me? Ask the prohibitionists. One day, they succeeded at imposing their anti-“devil’s drink” gospel upon the entire nation — through a Constitutional amendment, even! — until one day, they didn’t.

Historically speaking, Americans haven’t been keen on government regulation of what they do with their bodies.

However!

Now that “pro-life” has graduated from Christian moralistic talking-point to actual policy, red states will get the opportunity to buck that trend and prove whether the conservative approach is a more humane and compassionate system.

Universal maternal healthcare, paid family leave, free early childhood care, redoubled investments in education at every level — when life is the objective, the sky’s the limit!

Your move — prove us wrong!

Ah yes kill the baby due to rising costs! Your logic is from a simpleton! There are contraceptives and protection. God forbid you take responsibility for your actions! Hoes gonna hoe

Rape victims gonna hoe too, right?

.5 %. Again your logic is flawed. So you apply that to every legislative issue we are facing. See how that works out.

Imagine if they had that threshold for bad reactions to experimental rushed through vaccines for memeflu.

It’s not as low as 0.5%. Rape-related terminations are at least 1%, or more. Add in underage pregnancies, and unwanted pregnancies from domestic-abuse situations that may or may not be “rape” per se, and the percentage grows further.

Regardless: 1% of a big number is still a big number. Very recent example: Only 1% of people died from Covid. That ended up being 1+ million Americans.

Without exceptions for rape, thousands of rape victims (many, probably most, of them underage) will be forced by the state to give birth against their wills.

We have to make policy with the 1% in mind. It’s not burdensome. In this case it’s easy, just provide an exception for rape.

Failure to do that could undo the whole pro-life movement, as the victims pile up and the abject cruelty of such a policy becomes more visible.

Oh it's not? I get statistics from planned parenthood. %1 is a big number? On what planet? Look I know facts don't apply to your logic. That's a liberal deal, but for someone to think 1 % should change legislation, is just lunacy. This is going nowhere. Your set in the devil's ways.

1%.

1 out of, say, 1 million is a hundred thousand

Polling indicates that the Republican Party has gained even MORE SUPPORT since the ending of Roe v. Wade. Interesting, eh?

Not all women who can be forced by the state to give birth are old enough to vote!

Forced by the state? How so? Did they impregnate these women? Lol. Circus is in town!

Pedophiles. Specifically, deep state pedophiles.

You know? Those demonic scumbags that QAnon have been ranting about for ages, but have all of a sudden this week forgot exist?

Let’s take it from the top:

—Can a woman under the age of 18 get pregnant?
—Can an underage woman give consent to an adult?
—Are there exceptions provided under these anti-abortion bills for *either* rape *or* for underage women?

Let’s also assume without deciding that QAnon is correct that the “deep state” is filled with pedophiles.

Now!

Is it open season for deep state pedos to fertilize the wombs of vulnerable young women in red America?

You asked how the state could impregnate a woman. I answered!

Or do you not believe the deep state is full of pedophiles?

No you didn't. The woman has plenty of options to keep from getting pregnant. You do understand when roe v wade was settled, it was for the first trimester. You clowns took it to the limit. You kept pushing for later and later. You clowns ruined it for yourselves. Kept pushing and pushing. Seems pretty demonic to me.

Roe v. Wade protected the right-to-choose first two trimesters. 3rd trimester remained open to state bans. Roe v. Wade *was* the compromise. And it was an acceptable compromise, until the Religious Right turned women’s wombs into partisan cannon-fodder.

But now, it’s time to turn their anti-choice bloviating into action. And as you say, an extreme viewpoint — such as banning abortion, in all cases, from the moment of conception — can result in a backlash. As with the end of Prohibition, it could be a backlash that undoes decades of Christian activist work. So be careful!

In the meantime, blue states will continue to protect abortion rights. Nothing will change in states like Illinois. And many women in red states will continue to travel to utilize those services, regardless of how they vote. Or simply order abortion medication in the mail, because advances in medicine have made that an option.

The only women who will miss out now are those trapped in red states, unable to travel to receive medical care due to lack of time off or finances, or who are past the point in their pregnancies where a medical abortion is viable.

It’s sad that’s it’s left up to me to care more about those women than you do, but that’s just the American in me. I believe a right is a right and every American should get them. But ultimately, they’ll have to protect their own rights, or lose them.

Which brings me back to the general strike! It would be a terrible thing for Texans to have to endure at a time like this!

Your wrong again. First trimester was up to woman. After that state regulated. Not first two trimesters. Fake news again

Read what you posted. The state could regulate, but not ban, abortions in the Second Trimester.

Could regulate? Read what you posted. Lol

Indeed, fetuses conceived by rape follow the same developmental patterns as fetuses conceived by consensual sex.

If you think that entitles the state to force rape victims to give birth, then say so!