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This one's in custody, pending his trial. | MAR-A-LAGO MARTYR OF THE DAY
KYLE FITZSIMONS; THEN: FACED TEN RIOT CHARGES, INCLUDING THREE FOR ASSAULTING COPS AND TWO FOR ACTS OF PHYSICAL VIOLENCE. A SUPERSEDING INDICTMENT ADDED A CHARGE OF USING A DEADLY WEAPON TO ATTACK A COP. | image tagged in politics | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
196 views 4 upvotes Made by LarryCaird 2 years ago in politics
15 Comments
1 up, 2y,
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Larry, is it safe to assume you believe his rights, as well as all those charged in relation to 1/6, should be protected, the same as BLM and Antifa protestors' rights?
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I believe that everyone has equal rights under the law. That doesn't mean that every crime is equal to a similar crime or that all police, court officials and others behave exactly the same. We have many hours of videos of the 1/6 crimes, including those made by cop's body cams and rioters' selfies. In addition, the many comments made by those arrested for 1/6 crimes are unique.

I have said, and I will repeat it here, that people who did not enter the building, or get in the way of law enforcement in any way should have all charges dropped. I can see how someone who thought they were at a purely political event would get "fired up," and go overboard a little. I don't have to agree with someone's politics to give them a benefit of a doubt, in such cases. People accused of destroying property, entering the Capitol past signs saying no to or climbing through broken windows and broken doors, are another matter. And anyone who is accused of assaulting a cop, on any occasion, should have the opportunity to explain their actions before a judge and jury. I worked with an avowed racist who became a cop with the LAPD and became a Member of the Police Commission. So, they are not all perfect. But the other cops I have known just wanted to make their communities safe. Most of the bad ones stick out like sore thumbs. Sorry about the long answer. But, you asked a question that begged for a complete answer.
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Thanks Larry. TBH, I would *not* have expected such a reasonable reply. My bad, but I definitely appreciate what you wrote.

"I believe that everyone has equal rights under the law."

Nice words, but do you really believe that in this case? And since you mentioned similar cases, and I mentioned the BLM / Antifa riots, should those who participated in those riots here on the left coast, who damaged or occupied federal buildings also be charged? It sure seems like they haven't been.

Now I'm counting on another reasonable reply! ;-)
1 up, 2y
“Violent agitators have hijacked any semblance of First Amendment protected activity, engaging in violent criminal acts and destruction of public safety,” Billy Williams, the U.S. attorney for Oregon, said in a statement.

His office is prosecuting 74-people arrested under Federal Law. Local law enforcement is prosecuting others. But, the County DA has chosen to not prosecute those arrested for simply not disbursing when ordered to. The latter has been widely reported in Right-Wing media. The former has not. Also not reported is the role that Right-Wing organizers have played in these events. Recently, a Right-Wing organization member who has been in many of the melees was sentenced to a long prison term for bringing a gun to a demonstration, firing it and threatening people as part of a "counter-demonstration."

I live in Oregon, and the counter protesters have been reported on as well as the protesters. I suspect that local jurisdictions where protesters have broken laws have responded in similar fashion. We are all guilty of "confirmation bias," in which we search for and listen to news that reinforces what we have already concluded. So, if it is easier to read that Left-Wing "agitators," are getting prosecuted than it is to read that a Right-Winger was, you are just being human. I hope that is "reasonable."
1 up, 2y,
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So should every looter who entered a store be charged with breaking and entering, theft, fleeing, and destruction of private property?
2 ups, 2y
YES
1 up, 2y
They should be charged with every law that applies in their cases. These will vary depending on the jurisdiction. But, if someone wanders in off the street through a public egress during a riot and does no harm, they will probably not be charged with a crime.

When I was 17-y.o. there was an event known as "The Watts Riots," in L.A. Law enforcement had advance intelligence that said local gangs were looking for an opportunity to riot and loot. The California National Guard stationed troops in Thousand Oaks (in and around the area which is now The Oaks Mall, to be ready to respond. I know this because my Father owned a catering truck business in Thousand Oaks and we were contracted to provide trucks to sell candy, sodas, snacks, etc to the troops. We were like an on-site P.X. Ironically, I went through basic training at Fort Ord three years later. My training company of 250-troops were made up of 50-guys from Thousand Oaks and Ventura County and 200-guys who had Juvenile Felonies related to the Watts Riots. They were inducted in a special program that would expunge their under-age charges, if they served honorably and got an honorable discharge.
1 up, 2y,
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nice clear picture of the top of someone's head and shoulders.
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You should look up the indictment, on-line. Read the part where the officer uses driver's license photos, witness descriptions, descriptions of individual pieces of clothing and other information to identify the suspect. It is quite exhaustive. That picture will do, for the purposes of a meme.
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He is innocent.
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He may be innocent, that is a character trait. But I'll leave it up to a Jury of His Peers to determine if he is Guilty or Not Guilty.
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He is innocent of all charges against him.
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Under the law, one is judged to be Guilty or Not Guilty. OJ Simpson was found to be legally "Not-Guilty." I doubt that anyone thinks he is "Innocent."
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The presumption of innocence is a legal principle that every person accused of any crime is considered innocent until proven guilty.
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So he's a hero of BLM?
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MAR-A-LAGO MARTYR OF THE DAY KYLE FITZSIMONS; THEN: FACED TEN RIOT CHARGES, INCLUDING THREE FOR ASSAULTING COPS AND TWO FOR ACTS OF PHYSICAL VIOLENCE. A SUPERSEDING INDICTMENT ADDED A CHARGE OF USING A DEADLY WEAPON TO ATTACK A COP.