The Don’t Say Gay bill is homophobic. Shocking, right?

Inb4 “GROOMER”…

Source please, I'm not finding it

https://www.businessinsider.com/new-dont-say-gay-bill-amendment-forces-staff-to-out-students-2022-2

The bill that liberals inaccurately call ‘Don’t Say Gay’ would be more accurately described as an Anti-Grooming Bill. If you’re against the Anti-Grooming bill, you are probably a groomer or at least you don’t denounce the grooming of 4-8 year old children.

You’re literally quoting Ron DeSantis word for word.

Wrong. I’m literally quoting his press secretary, Christina Pushaw, word for word.

This "grooming" thing is not a problem in most schools. Are Florida schools so messed up that that's happening, or have Fox News and Ron DeSantis just found another non-issue to hyperventilate about? If the first, shame on De Santis; if the second, shame on him and anyone who listens to him.

The schools are filled with woke liberal teachers backed by a powerful union. It’s about time someone fight for our kids. For far too long, you all have been harming them.

You're making that assertion; the data actually points the other way. LGBTQ youth are at tremendous risk in our society (see https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/lgbt-youth-and-mental-health )

"Young people within LGBTQIA+ communities are more likely to experience challenges with their mental health. This is largely due to the oppression and discrimination they may encounter at school, at home, and in their wider community."

A major protective factor for them is having schools give them a safe space. Denying their very existence is the opposite.

https://www.thetrevorproject.org/research-briefs/fostering-the-mental-health-of-lgbtq-youth/

Nobody is denying their existence. This is about educators teaching sexuality. There is no place for sexuality in our schools. When you say LGBTQ+, you are talking about how these people identify, sexually, and who they are attracted to and who they have sex with.

Also, I love it when liberals want to argue about the mental health of LGBTQ+ youth, while advocating for lockdowns and online learning.

You're claiming a position for me -- not my problem. If you believe that there is no place for sexuality in our schools, I leave it to you to convince all the middle schoolers of that. Go, get them to stop talking about sex. It'll be fun.

Don’t listen to him. He argues that homosexuality isn’t natural.

Ah, like left-handedness and blue eyes. It's sad when people stigmatise minorities.

This isn’t about the kids. It’s about the educators. And if you believe there is a place for sexuality in our schools, then you are a groomer.

Kids can develop same-sex attractions. If the household isn’t supportive, why can’t the school be instead? Because you want to erase LGBTQ kids.

Yet again, nobody wants to “erase” anyone. We merely want educators to teach the subjects they are credentialed in and leave sexuality outside of the schools.

At that age, it’s not really more than an attraction. Kids would not have sexual interests in each other for the most part. And obviously sexual relationships shouldn’t be encouraged, or even romantic relationships at that age.

You’re not going to keep sexuality out of classrooms. Kids have their own orientations, as does the teacher. If you have a problem with simply acknowledging homosexual couples, you are obviously homophobic.

That was a huge leap you just took - from me saying teachers should accept everyone and it’s not “grooming” to do so, to then calling me homophobic.

Sidenote: I was named after my great uncle Barry who was a WW2 veteran and openly gay. He was in a relationship with my “other uncle” for almost 60 years. I had two uncles; that’s all I ever knew. I also have a first cousin on my father’s side who is a post op transsexual (male to female) and another first cousin on my mother’s side who has been openly gay since he was 16; he’s now 54. This isn’t about that. As much as you try to make it, this is t about that.

Why are you ignoring my question? You think gay kids should just have to be suppressed by their homophobic parents and not have a supportive outlet at school? You think it’s grooming if a teacher accepts a kid for being queer?

I don’t think it’s “grooming” for a teacher to “accept” a LGBTQ+ kid. I think sexuality of any kind, even heterosexuality, has no place in our schools. That’s my belief. That’s my opinion. You may hold a different one. That’s fine. What I don’t want, personally, is an educator introducing sexual concepts to my children. Yet again, LGBTQ+ is only about sexuality. Each of those letters (and +) defines who they are sexually attracted to. Straight kids shouldn’t be showing sexual affection towards each another at school, nor should LGBTQ+ kids. This is about keeping sexuality out of our schools. Period.

No, just anti-grooming intents.
You are the one with LBGTQ intents

I think you are smart enough to think this through. We have talked about this bill over and over and not once have I actually encouraged or suggested that teachers should inform kids about graphic sex or try to entice them. Why then do you continue to suggest that me and all the other advocates are groomers? I mean, do you just enjoy saying the word into oblivion, kind of like Let’s Go Brandon? It seems incredibly childish to me and a lot like you folks have no real argument except a huge strawman.

And yes I am smart enough to think this through, apparently you aren't

You’re ignoring the fact that it was authored by an anti-LGBTQ legislator.

Please tell me what acknowledging homosexuality or transgenderism has to do with grooming. I’m dying to f**king know but conservatives don’t seem to have a clue. They just imagine that teachers are instructing kids to be gay and trans when those two things are perfectly natural on their own, and no hateful bill is going to stop that.

Pre-pubescent children… we are talking about pre-pubescent children.
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The job of their “teachers” is to teach them the basics of reading, writing, simple math. Their job isn’t to inform them about their “partner”nor their home life or lifestyle.
There is no “hate” in the bill. That is just your construct, your opinion.

Because you are defending it over and over and over and over, ad nauseum.

Truth be told, I am focusing on it because the right-wing stupidity surrounding this bill astounds me and I want people to see why the bill is so harmful and why conservatives are being extremely anti-LGBTQ.

Explain what “stupidity” you are referring to.
The bill isn’t anti anything other than discussing anything about sex or sexuality, be it straight or otherwise(LGBTQIA’s), with anyone who hasn’t at least reached puberty.
Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

I just saw a video on Twitter of a schoolteacher saying she isn't comfortable having to out her LGBTQ kids to their parents (pretty sure the bill doesn't include this provision anymore, however) and that school should be a safe place for kids who don't have accepting homes. In response, a Turning Point USA commentator said, "fire her! Put that f**king groomer in prison!"

I am blown away by the careless use of the word "groomer" at things that have literally nothing to do with grooming.

The bill prohibits classroom discussion that isn't "age appropriate" (open to interpretation) about "gender identity" or "sexual orientation" (open to interpretation) and parents can sue if they think their kids have received instruction on either of these things. Why is it so hard for you to understand that bills that are openly vague like this get abused by broad interpretation?

You take what any news commentators say seriously? After all the lies, innuendo, half-truths, misinformation, and disinformation spewed by these professional spin doctors?
It’s not vague, it’s crystal clear.

They were podcasters, not news people. And this is sentiment I see among a lot of conservatives.

Podcasters?? Oh…rank amateurs.
Yes, you see the truth, but you reject it.