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As you reflect on the crisis in Ukraine

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F. CK. J e. B den
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Obiden was just the stupid monkey playing the snare drum to Obama's grinder music in 2014. Obiden isn't smart enough to orchestrate a diaper change by himself.
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It wasn't really biden or liberals that enabled it, what were they supposed to do? I thought that America handled it pretty well.
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Not push NATO into taking over Ukraine. Not installing a puppet government in Ukraine. Etc...etc...
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There you go, making Russian talking points. But sure, it’s the Democrats enabling Putin. 🙄
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No those are verified facts that most everyone agree on (except leftists).
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This known leftist agrees and is also spreading those talking points so your facts are a little skewed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Meyssan

https://www.voltairenet.org/article215856.html
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Lol OK. Everyone and some leftists. Do you feel better now?
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Anything that weakens your polarizing narrative suits me.
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It doesn't weaken it at all it strengthens it.
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Not really. Given how paranoid your lot is of leftists, you honestly should rethink your political narratives if any leftists are agreeing with you. Either you're wrong because leftists are agreeing with you OR, you're just as wrong as the leftists who are agreeing with you. ;)

Either way, what it actually means is if your narrative doesn't align to actual facts; then you're just wrong no matter the source of the misinformation. Leftist or otherwise.

The truth is we didn't PUSH Ukraine into anything. It CHOSE to become part of NATO despite Russia's fear and warmongering. Ukraine's own parliament overwhelmingly supported joining the EU before any US intervention to root out corruption (mostly those who supported Viktor Yanukovych and may have been compromised by Russian oligarchy influence).

President Yanukovych had actually override the parliament's decisions which is what sparked the protests in the first place and the people called for Yanukovych to resign. The protests grew violent when anti-protest legislation was signed into power by Yanukovych. Afterwards, Yanukovych fled and parliament unanimously voted him out of office. The preliminary government (really it was more an administration as the actual government and parliament were never disbanded) was lead by Ukrainians protesters and they immediately abdicated power within a year to allow for fair and free elections. Since then; their leaders have been democratically elected and better represented the people's interests over Russia's with little to no influence by US.
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""We installed the governed in Ukraine."

We didn't."

We did.

"Do you realize 80% of them are dual US citizens?"

I've found nothing that supports this claim. It seems very unlikely.

Further, it is irrelevant if they are."

You haven't looked then. Even Wikipedia agrees. Some of them are known CIA operatives. This stuff is right out in the open.
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"We installed the governed in Ukraine."

"You haven't looked then. Even Wikipedia agrees. Some of them are known CIA operatives. This stuff is right out in the open."

Prove it.

I mean, I'm not explicitly denying your second claim. Just the first. So, I can only guess you're strong-arming me to look for something but if it doesn't exist I wouldn't find it either so...

The burden of proof is on you.
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We aren't paranoid. We simply point out the lies and hypocrisy and evil of leftists. If even they agree. You know suffering is wrong.

We installed the governed in Ukraine. Do you realize 80% of them are dual US citizens?
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"We installed the governed in Ukraine."

We didn't.

"Do you realize 80% of them are dual US citizens?"

I've found nothing that supports this claim. It seems very unlikely.

Further, it is irrelevant if they are.
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Evil people find Democrats as useful idiots. But in this case of this meme, Its funny and sad at the same time. Sure, Satan will still use them, but even he can't believe how dumb they are!
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Enabled and created it

https://www.voltairenet.org/article215856.html
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Wow, that guy really ran with that Russian propaganda, didn't he?

There is a lot to assimilate from this article but he spends a pretty neat narrative by interlinking some facts that are largely unrelated or overly simplify an obviously complicated situation. In a nutshell, nothing can be trusted from a country who uses such baseless and meaningless accusations to justify an invasion to an otherwise free and democratic country.

The idea that any democracy that is pro-American is otherwise compromised is the exact narrative needed to encourage public distrust. Especially when those allegations are equally baseless. People who shun elections based on who won - and are often made by people who've retained power for a significant amount of time - are dubious at best.

I would be more mistrustful of so-called democracies where the elected officials continue to win term after term for more than a decade or two rather the election of those recently elected that signify a regime change that reflects the will of the people.
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Truth is russian propaganda
Check this one
https://www.voltairenet.org/article215891.html

Sorry for your country doing such things
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Hilarious! Both articles you linked to are by Thierry Meyssan who called 9/11 an American false flag (it wasn't) and now is supporting the obvious Russian false flag invasion of Ukraine.

If Putin really wanted to recognize the Donetsk People’s Republic and the Luhansk People’s Republic as independent states, he would've annexed them and taken them back rather than invade all of Ukraine and try to take Kiev. It doesn't add up. At least the two independent states willingly support Russia and would've happily been inducted into the fold but instead; Putin fears the fiercely independent and democracy of NATO countries.

For years, it has been suspected that Putin has rigged his own elections because he believes people should not be allowed to choose their leaders. For a time, the US and the rest of the world have refused to entertain this possibility seriously and the real repercussions are allowing a dictator; who has been spreading anti-American and anti-NATO propaganda for years. Testing the waters for an expansion of Russian territories and regroup the strength previously seen by the USSR.

A rebuilt USSR essentially puts us back in Cold War territory; and loses all the good faith Russia has built up in the last three decades. Especially when that USSR is built on lies, deception, misinformation. The people of Ukraine are not seeing his peacekeepers as bringing peace not unlike America when they invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria.

If Putin really did think invading Ukraine now would show strength because Americans showed their weakness in Afghanistan; then he learned the wrong lesson. He should've realized NO ONE can hold a region that sees people as invaders even if you wave the flag of so-called liberation.

Sorry, dude. You are drinking the kool-aid listening to a radical French leftist who is known for his anti-American stances.
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In 2014 there was a coup in Ukraine, in which there were neonazi groups, when the elected president fled, it seemed very strange to me that the resulting government was recognized by the countries of the European Union. There is nothing normal about this.

Pulling the thread, one draws conclusions, and what Thierry Meyssan says, and many others, it is not only him, fits perfectly to explain the events.

Why now do they want to censor/ delete public information from last years mentioning Ukrainian neo-Nazi groups who, some of them have been raping ethnic ukranian russian girls and their babies in front of them?
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Thierry Meyssan is grossly oversimplifying and exaggerating in his analysis of the situation. He is trying to break it down to two sides and paint the invaders as justified when they're absolutely not.

Essentially, Russia invading Ukraine because of "Neo-Nazis" is just as bizarre and absurd as anyone invading Russia because of the KGB. That's just not how it's done. And Russia's own government will see fierce consequences from it's own people as a result of trying to hold on to it's own power as soon as they realize the government's interests and the people's do not not align as much as the Russian government claims it does.

You are right about one thing. There is nothing normal about this.
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In the European Union, the defense of Nazism is restricted in certain aspects, it is not normal for them to support a government that comes out of a color revolution, with several Nazis in the government.

As a result of this government, precisely because of the fact that there are Nazis inside, who especially hate the ethnically Russians, who make up 40% of the country, there are rebel regions that do not recognize it, giving rise to a civil war, which It's been 8 years.

But what does the European Union and NATO do? Help the Ukrainian government to attack, bomb, etc. to those rebellious areas.

Is this normal?

Russia intervenes in defense of the ethnically Russians, proposing peace agreements, the Minsk agreements, which the Ukrainian government approves. But the one that does not respect them is the Ukrainian government, which continues to attack. With neo-Nazi militias among others. Some integrated into the army, such as the Azov battalion.
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It's a funny revolution when the government nor it's constitution was ever disbanded and the so-called coup actually restored previous elements of their constitution when Yanukovych came into power and decided to repeal those rights.

Again, if Russia truly wished to intervene it could have easily annexed Donetsk People’s Republic and the Luhansk People’s Republic as it did Crimea. But they wanted to play the waiting game to see if their puppet would be elected by the Ukrainian people. When he was not, Russia grew tired of the waiting game and seized not just those regions that opposed the Ukrainian government but rather the entirety of that land primarily for their resources.

It's ironic that Russia calls them Nazis when the tactics Putin and his regime are doing are precisely those that Hitler and his cronies performed before all out outbreak of World War II.

You can scream Nazi at me all you want, but the truth is Nazis invade while Ukraine wished for integration within a larger and more stable community of countries.
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I mean, even if you were right and Neo-Nazis did seize control of Ukraine in 2014, it's pretty irresponsible that Russia waited until now to intervene in this way or did not call on Russia's allies in the previous Nazi conflict, NATO, to intervene. Perhaps they did! But did Russia appeal to NATO or did they overly rely heavily on a misinformation propaganda campaign in Ukraine in order to influence whom the people elected? My guess? It's the latter which again seems seriously irresponsible if these serious allegations had any real merit to them.

That still doesn't sound like liberation to me but rather a forced invasion for the convenience of Russia and Russia alone. And thus make these allegations of these so-called "Neo-Nazis" who are supposedly in control and who were elected by the Ukrainian people to be a flimsy excuse at best.
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It seems to me that they have not deleted public information. It is just not relevant to the discussion of what is going on in Ukraine today. If they had deleted information; then the following would not exist for you to find now would they? Especially by Kyiv news.

https://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politics/ukrainian-interior-minister-dissolves-tornado-task-force-several-members-arrested-for-serious-crimes-391391.html

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/court-releases-two-ex-fighters-of-tornado-battalion-from-custody.html

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/112-international-kyiv-court-condemns-8-tornado-ex-fighters-long-prison-terms-4-suspended-sentence.html

https://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/war-against-ukraine/tornado-battalion-soldiers-to-be-redeployed-391705.html.

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/suspicious-deaths-around-azov-fighter-remain-uninvestigated.html

So, you're once again exaggerating your claims.
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I would hardly describe the Euromaidans as Neo-Nazis. They merely supported Ukraine join the EU trade agreement and opposed Russian influence over then-president; Viktor Yanukovych. The so-called "illegal" government actually restored previous powers of the constitution that had been deemed "inconvenient" for the Russian oligarchy. Despite Ukraine's own parliment overwhelmingly approving the EU trade agreement, Yanukovych, under the pressure of Russian oligarchs, vetoed it.

This sparked widesread outrage among the majority of Ukraine's people when their own President seemed to respect Russia's wishes over their own. This sparked fierce protests between 2013-2014. What escalated these protests into civil unrest were the anti-protests laws. Now, call me a rebel, but when you silence the very people your government is meant to represent; then you're no longer serving the interests of the people but yourself or another larger power. THAT is the basic definition of corruption.

"Why now do they want to censor/ delete public information from last years mentioning Ukrainian neo-Nazi groups who, some of them have been raping ethnic ukranian russian girls and their babies in front of them?"

The same exact reasons scientists do not entertain the notion the Earth is flat. The accusations are baseless and there is no evidence to support them as facts.

People choose their governments; not the other way around. Any time you do it the other way, there will always be violent confrontation. And the people who will want freedom more; will always win in the end.
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On the subject of the news that is deleted, it is not deleted because it is false, it is true, since it was recognized by the Ukrainian government in 2016, so it is deleted because it is not convenient for public opinion.

Can you talk about freedom when the powers that be censor the media and only let you see everything in favor of one side?
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"so it is deleted because it is not convenient for public opinion."

Or it was found to be unsubstantiated. News organizations frequently retract information that is found to be false. Just because it may have been deemed as a fact doesn't mean it remains so if evidence was never provided to support it.

In short, do YOU have evidence that supports these allegations?
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You can have a guarantee that this thing that goes against Ukraine, in a main Ukrainian media, has to be true

This is an ukranian media site:

These are related with neonazis raping babies, but on this site they do not mention the reason for these prosecutions, they only speak of "serious crimes". In other sites you find more info about it. Search "recordings of rapes of minors in the cell phones of the Ukrainian military"

https://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politics/ukrainian-interior-minister-dissolves-tornado-task-force-several-members-arrested-for-serious-crimes-391391.html

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/court-releases-two-ex-fighters-of-tornado-battalion-from-custody.html

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/112-international-kyiv-court-condemns-8-tornado-ex-fighters-long-prison-terms-4-suspended-sentence.html

https://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/war-against-ukraine/tornado-battalion-soldiers-to-be-redeployed-391705.html

Now, check this out, from same Ukranian site, about neonazi groups, realtez with Azov Batallion.

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/suspicious-deaths-around-azov-fighter-remain-uninvestigated.html
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My interpretation appears to be that all those who were found guilty were arrested while those who were not were integrated into the National Guard. So, I assume your interpretation is that those who were not guilty of these crimes are merely guilty by association rather than actual crimes committed.

It seems to me, people will join any group that fights against a common enemy for their respective self-interests. That doesn't mean that they remain specifically politically aligned with these nefarious individuals.

A bigger example of this was Russia and NATO were briefly allies during the events of World War II. Are Russia and NATO's interests still aligned today? Politically or otherwise? No.

Now, do you have evidence that supports these very same individuals, the ones who were actually criminalized for their nefarious behavior to be of any influence to the current Ukrainian government or were otherwise exonerated despite their malicious actions?

And, I will even add, statues erected to Stepan Andriyovych Bandera are not justifiable as an influence as he remains a very controversial figure in Ukraine despite his widely known anti-semantic yet Ukraine independent nationalism beliefs. I'm talking about specific integration of policies or legislation that specifically supports Neo-Nazism or any individuals who were previously criminalized for their Neo-Nazi actions or associations who are now in parliament to day.

If not, then Russia's claims remain baseless.
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Does not understand me. What I say is a fact is that there is news that is true and is censored now, because it is not convenient for people to find out about it now.

There are several nuanced things, the trade agreement with the EU was a trap. The president was neutral, he wanted to trade with the EU, and with Eurasians.

But he is not allowed to accept the agreement with the EU, if he does not exclude another Eurasian contract.

This means that wanting to accept that agreement delays it, but another very different thing is the idea that spreads and is transmitted to the Ukrainians and to the world. That he is a traitor and does not want to fulfill his electoral promises.

This is not easy to explain. When you have the foundation of George Soros operating in Ukraine before its independence, transmitting the idea that to be European you have to vote for certain political parties, and the others, the neutral ones, are evil anti-European, and "pro-Russian". When you are already European, you don't have to do anything special to be, against others. This manipulation is done in the USA. It seems that if you don't support their movement based on fallacies, you are sexist, racist, etc.

During the Euromaidan suspicious neo-Nazis appear, which indicates that there may be someone who has financed, organized, trained these acts, to bring up the issue of the economic crisis, corruption, etc. to lead to ethnic hatred against Russians and Ukrainians who speak Russian.

Ideological manipulation takes advantage of crisis situations to lead people to a state of opinion, which ultimately leads to supporting things without thinking too much.

In Russia, philanthropic NGOs like George Soros's are not allowed to operate. So they cannot psychologically infiltrate the country. That is in large part, along with many things, explains how Russia is provoked to attack, with bombing in rebel areas, and legal exclusions against the Ukrainian-Russian ethnic population.
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and trump who endorsed Putin lol
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Do you think Putin is bad?
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Biden funded the Russian war machine with his energy policies...
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Bro biden is the one who approved giving weapons and medical help to ukraine. And u say he's doing nothing? bruh
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Biden is supplying weapons now
Trump did it first, while he was still in office
check out some real news
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Bro when did trump do that? NEVER. He barely cared abt anything. And what do u consider real news? How do you know what's real an whats not? You're not there.
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I consider this real news
It totally destroys your argument;
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-trump-weapons-ukraine-20171222-story.html
it took me about 2 seconds to find the facts
Have you ever looked for facts, or do you just take clown news for gospel?
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Yeah ofc i look at the facts. U think I'd be saying this without having a single clue of what im saying?
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Then why are you saying that then
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Cuz he may have started it but he didn't do much. Biden on the other hand, enhanced it. He sent way more resources.
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Biden’s definitely making it worse
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prove it. If i remember right, Trump didn't make ANYTHING better anywhere. Not in America, not in the middle east
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I could point to record unemployment, energy independence, strengthened military, a border under control, ... but somehow I sense that would do no good
Wondering, are you a troll?
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Again, what do u consider real news? And no im not a troll im just saying what i think.
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I’m gunna keep my mouth shut because last time I didn’t I got banned from 3 streams
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lol
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"Nice picture. Is that a selfie of u?
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wtf? Cuz it seems like a pretty accurate description of u.
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Again, what you think is largely, if not completely untrue. Anyone who cannot name a single thing Trump did right, must not be hearing the truth.

If you were willing to do even the smallest amount of research, you wouldn't still be writing things like "Trump never supplied Javelins and Stingers to Ukraine.

can you point to evidence that you ever voiced your disapproval of to Biden's abandonment of Americans and our allies behind enemy lines to be butchered by the Taliban. Chancellor Merkel (Germany) called the debacle the greatest in the history of NATO

Real news is news that tells the truth and doesn't spread propaganda.

How many mistakes and untruths are you allowed before we reasonable conclude that you are brainwashed, willfully ignorant of facts simply because you hate Trump beyond reason, or you're just a troll?
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Nice picture. Is that a selfie of u?
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