Trump's subpoenaed allies all invoke the Fifth against self incrimination

I'm no fan of these clowns by any means, BUT I do think it's worth mentioning that the entire point of the Fifth Amendment is that it isn't and shouldn't be considered to be incriminating in and of itself to take this Constitutional right.

Just remember that when it's your turn to say that someone you don't like is allowed to plead the fifth without repercussions.

You remember that's there's more in the Constitution other than the 5th Amendment. You don't get to cherry pick.

Because that's exactly the point: you're choosing not to incriminate yourself. And the only way that makes any sense at all is if we all agree that silence is not an act of incrimination.

Innocent until proven guilty: the burden of proof is on your accuser, not the accused. Silence puts the obligation on the prosecution to prove a crime. This is a critical component of the Miranda rights and arguably one of the main reasons the United States was such a pioneer in modern jurisprudence.

Well, that's an example where if the LAPD had done their job properly like they are go***mn supposed to, maybe they could have actually proved it in court.

I can't believe I'm 100% agreeing with you. Ha ha!

*cough cough* high priced lawyers get paid high prices for a reason *cough*

AKA Rich people get away with literal murder NOT because prosecutors, judges, and juries determine it is more beneficial for the public get their adorable autographs by setting them free rather than by putting them away.

Meanwhile, public defendents do their damndest to encourage their broke clients to cop a plea.
Plead guilty, next up: traffic stop for talking on a cell - now it's 6 months. Get caught with a nickel bag, now it's 20 yrs.

Michael Jackson or Steve Bannon don't show up for court dates, the judge encourages their big wig attorneys to try to get them to show up the next one that they'll also missed.

Hidalgo Rodriguez from Hunts Point don't show, his ass gets to sit in Rikers for the next 2 - 3 years awaiting trial. And no minus time served when he gets his ultimate sentence.

Not many "smort" ones at all! In fact, NONE!

Antithesis is 100% correct here.
You can think what you want but you can't assume that avoiding incriminating yourself is evidence of guilt. Prosecution has to have evidence that supports whatever the charges are, and refusing to answer is not evidence.

You don't have to help the prosecution make their case. You might be guilty, you might not. It's incumbent on the Prosecutor to present the evidence against you. You have to understand that Prosecutors have a lot of latitude in the presentation of their case. You can be innocent, but the circumstances might make you look guilty. You can't be forced to testify against yourself. It's a Right guaranteed under the Constitution you have as a citizen of the country. As tempting as it might seem, you cannot draw a conclusion of guilt or innocence if someone pleads the fifth.

It doesn't matter what people think. They are going to think what they think regardless. What matters is what happens before the law in a court room.

It doesn't matter what you or I think. When someone pleads the fifth, the fact that they are using their Rights is unconvincing one way or the other. The only thing that does matter is what happens before the bar.

I admire your patience.

I enjoy a good debate, as I think you do too. I've read some of your stuff.

Thanks, same here, but you're far more civilized than I am...

I had to excise 2/3 of what I was going to post to him!

I completely get it. Not rising to the bait is a serious exercise in self-control at times

I just told you. Do you have anything else in your arsenal other than calling names. It makes you look childish. Re-read what I wrote, but read it slower this time. Here...let me help you . . .

If someone pleads the fifth, the fact that they are using their Right to not self-incriminate is insufficient (for me) to judge their guilt of innocence. I can withhold judgement until more facts are in evidence. Apparently you can't even imagine being able to do that.

So much irony in what you said.

Good grief.

Because it is their right to do so. Read a book.

It’s also your right to do so when not guilty. Martha Stewart did nothing wrong involving stock trading, yet she spent three months in the pen because of something she said during an investigation. The investigators felt she misled them even though she did no underlying crime.

hahaha, wOt?

You really need to educate yourself on this point.

When SCOTUS is already stacked with 6 Conservative Justices - 3 of which Trump appointed himself - and they still rule against his BS claims, don't you think it's time to admit you naively bought into his con and were played for a fool?

Says the guy played every day by the media

Trump THOUGHT he owned the justices he appointed...he's finding out that's not how it works...

You're quick as a glacier

You're not very good at the meme thing are you? You DO realize this is a meme site?

Did your mom have any other children that survived their abortion or are you an only child?

You do realize that you are having a battle of wits with someone who is unarmed.

If you had an original thought it would die of loneliness

You are hilarious !