Normal lib left vs orange lib left

Antifa member charged with shooting anti vax passport protester https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u93Du1rmpso

hard to get behind a party that's going to shit on you while being little Hitler's, no?

Some on the right also shat on me all because I had an opinion they disagreed with. I would address issues such as people suffering in poverty due to their employer not paying them a livable wage and homelessness caused by high rent and landlords evicting their tenants at whim without due process and many libertarian trolls spewed hate at me and called me a "communist", "socialist theif", "anti-freedom", "economically illiterate" and "retarded" even though I don't adhere to extremist ideologies like Marxism or even "democratic socialism". Imagine being shat on just for believing in basic dignity for the working man. Libertarian trolls can be just as bad as leftist sjws who call everyone to the right of Karl Marx a 'Nazi'. These days I get hate from leftists just for criticizing the covid restrictions and safety concerns about the vaccines.

I am inclined to advocate for a person's well-being regardless of what causes their suffering, be it totalitarian government or private sector factors such as ruthless employers and landlords.

yeah every group is getting increasingly hive minded. almost like it's planned.

Its seems you have a fundamental misunderstanding of economics. "living wage" will never happen. This is due to the fact that you give the worker more money, the costs of the products and services go up in kind and then they have to pay that much more for the same products and services (assuming all wages went up). So the businesses raise the prices to match the cost, and you are exactly where you were at the start, but the dollar is devalued, which affects the people that are higher up on the pay scale. Its like giving a paycut to the higher paid people. It is literally worse than doing nothing.

The real solution is innovation and lowering the cost of source materials and the cost of energy, and property. The quick fix is to lower taxes on businesses to almost zero.

Do I have a poor understanding of economics? Or maybe you just use ad hominem just because I had an opinion you disagreed with me on. I have had lots of bad experience of libertarians hurling ad hominem at me just because I wasn't an Ayn Rand ancap like them.

I am for innovation lowering the cost of source materials, energy and property and tax cuts for small businesses but I also know that an economy doesn't always work by deregulating everything. Complete and total deregulation can have it's negative consequences and leave the lower class in the lurch. Employers could get away with trying to not properly compensate the employee for the work they did for them. There still has to be basic protection for the worker. Some employers try to fire workers for being union members. I do know a business still has to function and have capital profit to keep operations going otherwise the employee wouldn't have a job in the first place however there are CEOs who just hoard multi-billion dollar salaries just because they can and they don't use the money to properly compensate the worker or even make better investments in their own business. I do know that business owners still have to be allowed to make their own profit but we also can't treat the worker like they don't matter. I find it unfair that Bezos hoards billions while all those warehouse workers are subjected to inhospitable working conditions for long hours for little pay and then be severely punished just for taking a washroom break. And because the workers are so low-paid, they have no choice but to go on welfare so Bezos not paying the workers livable wage is a drain on the taxpayer.

Nope. It's basic supply and demand. Look it up.

The problem is prices are going up and wages are not keeping up. Out the window goes your shitty bourgeois economic theory.

Read it again. The prices are going up because of outside factors like the devalueing of the dollar and the increase in gas prices. If you raise wages, it'll just raise prices further. Come on, they teach this in public schools even.

A "living wage" existed before we gave power back to the capitalists, cut their tax rates, and allowed them to move operations overseas. Unions raise wages and sometimes prices, but the latter not so much. Look at a worker's pay and benefits in Denmark and see the prices for basic products are comparable to that in the U.S.

You need to understand that theory is not always a rule. Also, how can you say these things and not come to the realization that capitalists keep increasing prices to maintain their profits? People have more money, capitalists raise their prices. Profits are at a loss, so capitalists raise their prices.

"A living wage" never existed. You need to look at history. In the past people were more self reliant, making ends meet with gardens and local trades.

You don't really think that corporate CEOs will take payouts to maintain prices do you? They always pass the cost to the customer. The best thing we can do is cut taxes to zero and charge tariffs on all incoming goods from these companies.

Family households used to be able to survive on one person's sole income. No more. This generation earns far less than their parents. This is the fault of free market capitalism. This is the result of the assault on unions and the strengthening of global capitalism.

You're forgetting that CEOs today often make hundreds of times what their employees make. They can survive on less, but businesses operate for the purpose of profit, so they arrange prices and operations to maintain those gains.

You think tariffs wouldn't hurt international trade?

Actually they did a study a few years back and found that the expenses of having a 2nd person working is the same amount that they would make if they are at a non-professional job. So you can actually live off of one persons wages.
Most unions are corrupt and ask for too much, which causes businesses to close down and go to 3rd world countries. The teachers union is one example.
CEO's WON'T take pay cuts. That's the part you don't seem to understand.
Tariffs wouldn't hurt international trade and would help the US economy. Tariffs keep foreign countries from flooding US markets with inferior products produced by slave labor.

This trend has continued even though unions are half their size from 1981. The fact is capitalists have been empowered since Reagan, and people have been threatened with losing their jobs if they so much as thought about unionizing. Less than 10 percent of the time, a plant will actually close like they warned after a union wins their election. You are so brainwashed it’s absurd. Keep listening to those D.C. think tanks.

"This trend has continued even though unions are half their size from 1981. The fact is capitalists have been empowered since Reagan, and people have been threatened with losing their jobs if they so much as thought about unionizing. Less than 10 percent of the time, a plant will actually close like they warned after a union wins their election. You are so brainwashed it’s absurd. Keep listening to those D.C. think tanks."

You got any sources to back any of this up?

Actually it's worse than I remembered. 51% of plants threatened to close if the union won the election, but just 1 percent actually did once the union won (NLRB)
https://www.nlrb.gov/sites/default/files/webform/uploads/silentwar_0.pdf

71 percent of manufacturing companies threatening to close factories, according to a survey.
https://www.goiam.org/publications/Legislative_Issues/TheFreedomtoFormAUnion/Employers_Interfere_with_Workers.pdf

Union membership rate was 10.5% in 2018, 20.1% in 1983.
https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2019/union-membership-rate-10-point-5-percent-in-2018-down-from-20-point-1-percent-in-1983.htm

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