Voting for fascists is democracy for the left.

The fact that children can be raped at school with virtually no accountability and the issue people have is with the enraged parents is alarming.

Does thinking child rape is a bigger deal than pissed off parents make me conservative?

Where's the lie? This is currently going on. It's an observable truth.

The audacity and the sheer arrogance of the government is beyond words.

There is a crisis of accountability in the juvenile justice system today, driven by the social justice attempts to reform the system. Schools can barely educate, much less administer justice.

Meanwhile 2 teenage girls were raped by the same student AT SCHOOL and the angry parents are the ones that are the problem.

The school was harder on the father of the first rape victim for making a scene than they were on the actual rapist

He was charged with disorderly conduct... for the way he conducted himself when his daughters rape was being dismissed. I don't see how he is the problem here.

No but I'm not surprised you're going for the strawman.

I'm saying it's alarming to me that at least two girls were raped at school and the issue people choose to focus on is the pissed off parents.

Strawman is all they have.

They're defending fauci and ignoring the crimes, so they are just as evil as the people commiting the crimes at this point.

Yep. Just BARELY left of center. Imperceptibly left. Could definitely pass for a centrist lol LOL

fauci started testing on animals?

False dichotomy.

Both can be problems.

If parents want to dictate what is taught to their children, then they can become teachers.

It is radical thinking to believe every untrained person is qualified to do a job.

Backwards logic.

The parents keep the teachers in check and stop agenda-pushing.

A non-issue.

Teachers aren't even remotely allowed to agenda-push. Investigate it, report it, and they can be fired for such things. Parents need to keep their children in check and make sure they're doing their schoolwork. And if the schoolwork contains an "agenda" then you've solved the problem RIGHT THERE. Make your case in court and the problem is solved.

"Teachers aren't even remotely allowed to agenda-push"
BWAHAHAHAHA then how do you explain all the agenda pushing?

Not everyone has the time or resources to go to court. School board meetings is the best place to bring such matters up.

SMHID!!!

Spare is your disdain for an angry father who had conduct that was considered "disorderly" when his daughter's r@pe was being swept under the rug just because the boy happened to pretend he was a girl. The father's anger isn't the issue s you seem to think it is. It's disgusting and alarming that there are people like you who think a father being loud is the problem.

Dude 2 girls were raped at school with virtually no accountability and the hill you chose was "but the father broke the law too".

As far as I know the parent didn't break the law.

SMHID!!!!

SMHID!!!!

SMHID!!!

UPVOTE!!!!

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oh come on, you know you like it :)

you don't have to take the WHOLE shaft.

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I don’t understand your position.

Parents are just as politically motivated, left or right, to shape the overall school curriculum. Teachers are, at the very least, trained in education and have a far better perspective in terms of education than a parent might have.

In any case where I see two sides needlessly pitted against one another, I always ask myself, okay, what if the situations were reversed?

Would I want a bunch of leftists parents teaching my children? What if the community I’m in demanded my children be taught CRT, the benefits of eugenics and communism. Now, you might think that’s what is happening right now, that anything in government is the left, anyone who is pro-experts is the left, anyone who is pro-education is the left… but this was NOT how we always saw things so put down your partisan goggles and think for a minute.

Who should teach our children?

It’s a good question that has nothing to do with politics.

Both parents and teachers should have a hand in shaping a child but not all parents can afford to be the only person or persons in charge of their child’s education. Parents have to work. Or at least one does. We have private schools which give parents some choice. Charter schools which are pretty much just cheaper private schools but with SOME public funding (which is dumb). And public school systems which is the default and often for the poor.

Now, you might think you can just homeschool your kids, and that’s true but homeschooling actually still falls into the realm of the public school system. The government dictates what your child needs to learn.

The government IS THE public in this case. We the people (the public) shape the government (elect politicians) who create the standards (laws).

I understand the frustrations of the public school system but a thing isn’t broken because of grievances and slights from one-side. Both sides bare the responsibility and putting parents against teachers has NEVER benefited the children.

So, who should teach our children?

Ideally, we’d want someone trained to teach our children regardless if they’re a parent or not. The uneducated or the under-educated should not be teaching our kids. We’ve never valued teachers in this country. They’re overworked, underpaid, and often times have to provide from their own pockets supplies for their students.

Taking power away from teachers is not a real solution.

The thing that tips me in favor of shutting down public schools altogether is that teachers have unions so there is no accountability. Bad rapist techs just get shuffled to another school. They also teach things that have nothing to do with education and clearly violate the law like pornography disguised as trans sex education. I would be completely in favor of everyone choosing where their children went and this that couldn't pay would be tax payer funded. This would include religious schools, public schools, private schools, charter schools, and home schools.

Have you been to school or are you in some kind of charter school right now making general assumptions?

As someone who has a family who has been teaching inside the public school system for over 100 years, nothing you say has any basis in reality in regards to the problems with public school.

Shutting down public schools is not the solution. There is far more accountability found in public schools than there is in law enforcement and the church.

"Tears of a Tiger"...

That's what's being pushed, at least in my area's school. It has a (very obvious) agenda. And before you go Google it, it's not suicide prevention. Not by a long shot.

I'm not sure what your problem is.

Explain.

Well I gave you just two examples of obvious agenda-pushing at my local school. And yet you think parents shouldn't get involved.

In case you are wondering, "DWEM" stands for "Dead, White, European males". That's the first thing kids learn in 7th grade. "Tears of a Tiger" is a deeply racist CRT promoting propaganda book.

Not really. You gave me out of context examples like you were testing me if I was "in the know"

There is nothing inherently wrong with slang and books. That shit has always been in school, bro.

Sorry you didn't know that.

There is nothing agenda pushing about it.

Unless you care to elaborate but I am going to go ahead and speculate you have no idea what you're talking about.

Agenda pushing is when a teacher promotes politics, religion, or otherwise a personal life choice often as the ONLY choice for the students.

A book about racism and suicide doesn't necessarily promote racism and suicide.

A term people who want to expand beyond what people deem as "classics" isn't a signal of agenda pushing, but rather an attempt to expose the very agenda pushing for which you are accusing teachers. Ironically.

No, I was giving you examples.

Haha. You really have no idea what "slang" is. Slang is "y'all" or "that's cool". And anyway, slang is not part of the curriculum. It's just colloquial language.

Sorry you don't know that.

Perhaps you should read the book I mentioned. Then perhaps you'll see what I mean.

No, while we should read the classics, there are plenty of newer books that are very good. The books THEY choose, however, are blatant propaganda. Pointing that out will get you shut down, because you're "not an expert". Keep in mind that the teachers qualifications are that they sucked up to a college professor.

Okay, so you're going to take my words personally instead of establishing an actual point.

I agree that teachers shouldn't push a perspective onto people but you're failing to prove that with the vague examples you've given.

A book where black people say racist things about white people isn't an agenda. I've read Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn and there are racist things said about black people in those books but the point wasn't to disparage black people.

I'm not seeing any examples where people are being shut down. What I think is happening is that people are trying to make a problem out of something where there isn't one.

Yes, there are problems with the public school system. The problem isn't the teachers, though. The problem is the lack of funding and the lack of importance placed on education within society.

Your anti-expert angle is just a symptom of that problem. Being anti-expert toward educators is not the solution.

No, of course not. The point of TS and HF was not to disparage black people. But the purpose of this book was. There's a lot of examples if you look.
Yes, throw more money at the problem. That'll make it go away! Haha. Where college is a booming business. Lack of importance.

College and public school are very different places.

Books have never been a threat to anyone.

When you think about it, not really.
No, but the ones read in schools should not push agendas.

I went to public school. I was in the top 5% IQ and got the bottom 5% of grades.

"DWEMs"

Also please look things up. Everything I said is happening somewhere right now.

Keep in mind my main two points.

1. Don't turn parents against teachers.

2. Don't let parents take over school curriculums.

I agree there are problems with public school. This isn't the way to go about it.

Parents should have compete control of what is taught to their children. Personally I'm for homeschooling all the way. I homeschooled my nephew with online school sites who was 2 grades behind and couldn't read at age 13 because of public schools. When I was done two years later he was caught up with his age group and reading at a college level. I understand some parents cactus do that, but they can do coop homeschooling where they teach one day a week or trade with other things to the parents.

Yes, if wishes were horses everyone would have a Merry Christmas.

So, let me break down why that doesn't work.

First, great anecdote that you taught your nephew. Irrelevant though it was, it's good to know that you think you helped. And it's good to know that you understand that it is something that is not financially possible or practical for all parents to do.

There is also something called the GED, the SAT, and the ACT; these are required to at least achieve a high school degree in this country depending on your choice level of education or state; even if you successfully weed out any curriculum you deem to be "agenda-driven" as if it's counter-intuitive to the standard tests; they will still have to take those standardized tests to get their degrees. And while, yes, many home school programs will facilitate these basic levels; they're still, again to be unlikely to advance their chances of getting a job that pays more than minimum wage.

Do you know one of the reasons why the left are constantly advocating for raising the minimum wage for entry level jobs? Because many of those jobs are only for those with at least a high school application or less. The only way to get raises or advanced is with a college education.

Even if you successfully keep your child away from "draconic leftist teachings of teachers" and "leftist colleges" they're still going to be snatched up by the jaws of the unemployed and easily coerced into thinking ANYTHING is better than what they have now. (Like communism.)

Yes, parents absolutely should be involved with their children's education but I'm saying they should not com it. It's like saying...

"You know what the problem is with corporations? They're not completely controlled by average middle-class working Americans! We should let middle-class working Americans run corporations!"

And hey, that can be described as socialist thinking too! (Workers Unions)

Even if you're going to try to tackle this from a commercial perspective, as if that's any more viable, that when you say parents should have "complete control" over their child's education, you mean they should have "viable choices" on what is taught, that is still not going to address any issues you currently have with the current way schools work. Because, arguably, we already have that with home school programs, charter, public, and private schools.

So, I guess what do you mean parents should have "complete control" when they already, technically, do?

Most parents don't know what is being taught to their children let alone have a choice in the matter. Most parents only choice is public schools. In many cases the schools tell the children not to tell their parents what was being taught. The lockdowns were a real eye opener for many parents who for the first time saw what their children were being taught.
The parents should be completely informed about what their children are being taught, and have veto power over it, in all public schools.

"Most parents don't know what is being taught to their children let alone have a choice in the matter."

That is a parental issue, not a curriculum one.

"Most parents only choice is public schools."

If they can't afford anything else, that is on them. Not the government.

"In many cases the schools tell the children not to tell their parents what was being taught."

Evidence?

"The lockdowns were a real eye opener for many parents who for the first time saw what their children were being taught."

Yes, it is most unfortunate that it took a very real crisis for parents to be involved in something they always should've been helping their children's education. Interfering with baseless accusations only creates more problems.

"The parents should be completely informed about what their children are being taught..."

They are.

"...and have veto power over it, in all public schools."

They won't. If parents truly want to be in a position to make those decisions, and I assure you many teachers are parents themselves, then they will join their board of education rather try to make this about something it is not.

It's actually on the government because of all their corrupt actions. If they didn't let millions of illegals across the border the economy would be booming. If they hadn't shut down the economy would be even better. If they would stop printing money and raising taxes, everyone in the US could afford school choice. Heck they could afford it now if the government subsidized it.

They already do subsidize it. What do you think public school is?

It just seems like you're angry about a couple of books rather than government corruption.

"They already do subsidize it. What do you think public school is?

It just seems like you're angry about a couple of books rather than government corruption."

Nah. I mean we subsidize homeschooling and charter schools.

It goes deeper than porn forced on the kids. It's all the political stuff that is taught to them, which should be done by the parents.

Spoiler Alert: Timmy will be homeless because his parents didn't want him to be taught a basic education.

Timmy can always get a GED despite his parents decision.

Or we can just not let parents determine curriculums.

Thank you for proving my point.

One way or another, someone or some group of experts is going to evaluate your level of skill and education.

Not parents.

"Or we can just not let parents determine curriculums.

Thank you for proving my point.

One way or another, someone or some group of experts is going to evaluate your level of skill and education.

Not parents."

There are skills and basic knowledge like reading, writing, arithmetic, and history. Then there's politics and things that fall into parental purview like gender identity, sexual knowledge (not biology). Only the parents should teach that.
Then there are things like popular theories, that are taught as truth.

Talking to yourself in some vain attempt to have the last word?

How childish.

“It goes deeper than porn forced on the kids. It's all the political stuff that is taught to them, which should be done by the parents.“

“ There are skills and basic knowledge like reading, writing, arithmetic, and history. Then there's politics and things that fall into parental purview like gender identity, sexual knowledge (not biology). Only the parents should teach that.
Then there are things like popular theories, that are taught as truth.”

It just seems to me like you’re promoting these liberal parents that brainwash their kids into gender fluidity. Your answer to this nonsense is to have parents freely reinforce their own subjective opinions onto their children regardless if it’s fact or fiction.

For a society to exist there needs to be a common bedrock and denying students this will not strengthen unity but will promote diversity in it’s most destructive form.

"Talking to yourself in some vain attempt to have the last word?

How childish."

Its more childish to take the last comment in a series to declare yourself the winner of a discussion without learning anything.

"It just seems to me like you’re promoting these liberal parents that brainwash their kids into gender fluidity. Your answer to this nonsense is to have parents freely reinforce their own subjective opinions onto their children regardless if it’s fact or fiction.

For a society to exist there needs to be a common bedrock and denying students this will not strengthen unity but will promote diversity in it’s most destructive form."

The problem is the parents that do that are going to do that regardless. You aren't going to change that in the classroom. There is a common bedrock for society its called standardized tests and GEDs. They should require the common bedrock stuff that are needed such as reading, writing, arithmetic, biology, and history. They should not require extraneous things that are worthless like mental gender studies, evolution theory, critical theory like ideals.